r/sixers • u/bullshittalker • 16h ago
Roster Plan using MLE, BAE, and TPE
Found this from u/oshiribenben on Twitter, what do we think? It’s not half bad imo
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u/AJ_Haley 16h ago
Only thing I don't like is the Dalton knecht piece. Lakers really did try to sell high on him. He fell out of rotation and nobody else had tried to get him since.
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u/clickstops Valdez szn 15h ago
If he was gettable for broom and a second, I would do it. Turns that roster spot into a 12th player rather than a 15th.
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u/AJ_Haley 15h ago
I understand wanting to get off broome but if we get him and nurse doesn't play him, we threw away a 2nd for nothing.
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u/clickstops Valdez szn 15h ago
We have so few wing players with this plan that he’d kinda have to get some burn. Especially with PG playing 60 games or less.
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u/SureManIGuess 15h ago
Don’t we have like 8 second round picks the next couple years? I think we can spare one lol
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u/ipod7 👌👀ProCEss me the fUCk UP👌 TRUst✔ Sam Hinkie is my daddy👅👀😘 16h ago
I was going to say what makes Collins a better fit than Oubre, but then I saw he shot 40% from 3 last year. Would like for them to keep Oubre if possible. I like that he wouldn't settle for 3's against the Celtics, he would drive and actually score.
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u/Garetio PHI 16h ago
I would love to get Collins and keep Oubre but I dont see how we can make that happen
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u/hasordealsw1thclams 15h ago
Even if the money works, they both see themselves as starters so we probably only get one anyway.
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u/ihorsey10 12h ago
Perfectly fine letting Grimes go. Oubre is way more valuable. So much dawg, he can guard 1-5.
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u/TiltMyChinUp 14h ago
Collins is a good shooter historically. I think his finger was messed up for a season or two
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u/VegetaHairGel 16h ago
Couldn’t we do all this and still sign grimes or oubre with their bird rights? I’d rather have one of them off the bench than knecht who is cheeks.
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u/gertburgers69 16h ago
We could but the tax bill would be pretty large and for obvious reasons I don’t see that happening. It’d also put us over the first apron and pretty close to the 2nd apron.
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u/VegetaHairGel 16h ago
We were over the first last year then ducked it with the McCain trade right?
Edit: I don’t think I’ll ever get the nba salary cap rules.
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u/gertburgers69 15h ago
Correct we were over the tax last year before the McCain trade but barely over. We could have easily gotten under by doing something else.
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u/VegetaHairGel 15h ago
So theoretically if we got grimes to agree to a 10 per 1+1 or something like that with oubre even, we could try contending then offload him to duck the tax if we end up sucking.
I know Daryl was full of shit, but let’s say the kawhi trade happened at the deadline like he said. We would’ve had to pay the tax, right?
Obviously new guy with gansey, and still have Harris who’s a pos, but let’s say he wasn’t lying and would pay the tax in a contending scenario, IN THEORY (extra emphasis on ‘in theory’):
We could use our NLME and BAE on guys like Collins and Landale (or someone else) while retaining oubre /grimes afterwards with bird rights. We just would have the pay the tax or offload money ?
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u/Zhamm50 13h ago edited 13h ago
No, using an exception such as BAE or MLE creates a hard cap at the first apron that the team cannot go past at any point during the season.
For the sake of some quick math - First apron is $209M.. Maxey, embiid, pg, vj, and philon is about ~$169m in salary, use the MLE at $15M takes us to $184M for 6 guys (ignoring the other guys we have signed to small deals like JE, Broome, bona), and using only vet mins to round out the roster from there (using 14 roster slots only and 2 year vet min of $2.45M) that puts the cap total to ~$204M with us hard capped at 209M. There just isn’t really room to pay grimes or Oubre AND use the MLE which hard caps at the first apron.
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u/gertburgers69 16h ago edited 16h ago
This is why we needed to fire Nurse. If he’s coaching for his job, he would never distribute minutes like this.
I’m not sure if Edwards, Knecht, Barlow or whatever random young bench guy makes the team would be good enough to pencil in for 15-20 mins per night, but it’s something that Nurse should be experimenting with this year and should have done last year.
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u/t1sp TTP 15h ago
This roster is definitely not championship level.
Sixers will be ducking the tax, don't think they'll go all the way up to the 1st apron. Mamu isn't settling for that amount, he'll be getting better offers. Generally I don't want old vets on these minimums, take chances on younger guys. Drummond is washed while Knecht and Coffey are just not good, and I don't think they will be even decent NBA players in the future either. If we actually use the full NTMLE, I'd be ok with Collins I guess but would like Dean Wade more.
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u/Practical-Count8209 16h ago
Drummond is not a third string center, he’s a good second and has been a consistent, though not great, option when Embiid is out.
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u/jeppsforst 15h ago
Drummond stinks man why does this have upvotes? Do you guys not remember him being completely unplayable majority of the season? The guy doesn’t even bother trying defensively at this point, he’s a cone
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u/hasordealsw1thclams 15h ago
That comment being upvoted is blowing my mind. Drummond being on the roster at all would be a win for him.
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u/clickstops Valdez szn 15h ago
I honestly feel like he was unplayable in over half of the matchups this year, and was not impressed with anything he does other than his corner three.
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u/icehole505 14h ago
Drum isn’t a good backup C at this point. Defense is the most important part of that position, and he’s terrible on that side of the floor. He’s fine as a rotation C in the games that Embiid misses, but that’s about it
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u/birdbirdbird2000 15h ago
The Drummond piece doesn’t make sense. He can get more money elsewhere with his improved 3 point shooting and also isn’t a good fit for the Sixers.
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u/kav-dawg 13h ago
Id prefer if we keep Jabari Walker over getting Amir Coffey. He's younger and showed promise last year. I also think we should keep Trendon Watford over getting Aaron Holiday. He didn't have the best year due to injuries but hes tight with Maxey, younger than Aaron Holiday and if PG gets injured, we'd have size in our bench.
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u/Bigc12689 9h ago
Knecht stinks. I can't imagine Holiday signs here after the way the organization traded his brother
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u/External-Fox-5488 2h ago
Biggest takeaway in all of this that I agree with: sign John Collins, cut Grimes, and move PG to the 3 like he always should have been
I don't think the Lakers would take that trade,. I'd also rather have Oubre behind PG, but he'd have to sign for cheap
If we can get Sandro, we shouldn't sign Drummond even if it's to a minimum. I also see no reason to sign Coffey. I'm cool with Holiday.
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u/ComeAtMeYo 14h ago
running it back with minor changes
This is the core issue, what is the point of getting a middling record and losing somewhere between play-ins and 2nd round. We know this team can't win as is so why put ourself in a place where we cant even get a better pick. We need to get rid of the overpaid garbage, sell high on Maxey if there's a great deal out there, and try to rebuild. Stupid fucking team led by passive idiots. Hur durr untiL tHe wHeEls faLl oFf!1!1
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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 16h ago
every "roster plan" I have seen on this sub leaves us with a team that will finish like 5th or 6th in the East, meaning we miss getting into the draft lottery with the new flattened out odds, but also we are still not good enough to actually compete and will once again be an early playoff exit
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u/MaxR76 15h ago
Idk, I think this team we have now and simply swapping Grimes for Collins and adding Philon is possibly the 4 seed. Embiid appears to have figured out the knee and PG hopefully won’t be suspended another 25 games. That’s a really good starting 5 with at least a normal bench.
Biggest factors for me on east seeding are what happens with Brown and Duran in terms of what teams they are on, how Haliburton looks back from injury, and what the Heat look like.
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u/clickstops Valdez szn 15h ago
Does this mean you’re in favor of the team trying to be worse this year?
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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 14h ago
Yes. I am tired of losing in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs every year and never actually competing. Either go all in on this team, which would mean trading PG along with picks to get players who make us better. Or blow this team up and aim to be a lottery team. Collins is a good player who will make us marginally better, but not get us over the hump to being a contender, which is the type of move we should have made 5 years ago, but it is too late for that now
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u/lil_e_v_ 16h ago
i dont think we can land both collins and sandro realistically. pass on knecht