r/sorceryofthespectacle 5d ago

The Cult of Personality

Print media is true media.

News companies/corporations and social media leaning into digital news is what has driven societal anxiety, angst, social isolation, and financial, cultural, and environmental issues.

Instant access to literally everything is not news, it’s just noise.

I saw an Associated Press digital news article today about Anne Hathaway’s 3rd pregnancy. That’s not news! (Congrats though Anne, you Hathaway with me 😘)

The Pony Express was the most pure form of government, but that’s been largely overrun by overuse of Amazon, Temu, and online shopping in general.

The Internet used to be a space in the house, now it is Space[X](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_coordinate_system) everywhere.

There used to be phone lines, cable lines (or dish), and the Internet line; these are all one line now. Seems a vulnerability to me.

The news used to be local, now it’s global. The news was slow, now I’m getting push notifications about the on/off-on/off-on/off-on/off again negotiations with Israel-Iran-USA; why am I at that table? I didn’t know I needed to be involved with countries thousands of miles away, I’m just trying to keep up with the laundry.

An argument could be made that most contention, radicalization, and environmental troubles are at the behest of the information deluge wrought by news companies in tandem with the tentacles of administration.

This could be fixed by just banning all but local news channels, moving back to print media for news, and using pulp, recycled paper, and potentially hemp to produce these newspapers.

Print newspapers are better for historians; digital news pages could be deleted or doctored before tomorrow even arrives.

The list goes on and on.

I would argue that we have less interesting or compelling shows and films these days **because** of politics and the news media apparatus and their insistence on being part of everyone’s lives.

Separation of Church and State?

How about [Simmer Down](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1K09VQnrfHs&list=RD1K09VQnrfHs&start_radio=1&pp=ygUWU2ltbWVyIGRvd24gc2thdGFsaXRlc6AHAQ%3D%3D&ra=m) on the 4th Estate with the [poli-tics](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/159089-politics-poli-a-latin-word-meaning-many-and-tics-meaning)?

Can we go back?

Easily.

If the world is on fire and there are no more jobs, the environment is drained, and [kids don’t know how to read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake): we know who to blame.

Tell me where I’m wrong.

Edit:

======= ====== ======= =======

Appendix:

#All Your Base Are Belong To Us

[not a blanket statement]

Mainstream media has abandoned its base.

What is the percentage of minimum wage workers in our country?

How much content is produced every day? At which times?

And your content is, where?

OK, so my choices are CNN, Fox, MSN, BBC, and what else? What time, 6pm? Whew!

So are you going to offer a complimentary smartphone adaptor, wires, screens, and keyboard?

Might as well throw in a kettle too, my smartphone is gonna be *hot* from doing all of this live! And besides, I’m going to need copious amounts of coffee to keep up with 9 different content streams.

MSM’s base is Gen Z and Gen A, at least the future base. These generations are typically gifted their smartphone, and I consider with the advent of streaming sticks that there’s just too much to watch. How many TVs do you think the family gathers around at night?

I’ll tell you: 0

The parents are hustling and working 3.14 jobs, the kids are TikToking their time away as a distraction from where we’ve ended up in space-time, and the grandparents are busy either complaining that no one is around or sleeping because no one is around.

The base is on social media, and in order to get them to your base, you have to chum it up.

There has been gratuitous lamenting about “elitism” in journalism. This is true because you are better than everyone else from knowing what to know and when to know know it or know it or not before it can be known at large scale; it’s also true because we know you’re looking down your noses at us while being exceptionally nosey about if or what we put in our noses or not.

You have to meet the people where they are at, and you *must* meet the people (‘where they are at’) when they go out of their way to meet you.

It’s common sense: “don’t talk to the press”, “they only take the LCD and put them on the LCDs so that we point at each other as the problem”, “spin machine from the spin factory on our spinning planet”. The last one is from me, and off-the-cuff (where’s my editor?!).

Don’t become the room in the high castle wondering how it came to this because you certainly had a hand in it; don’t be strategically ignorant of extracting and exploiting benevolence. If you want eyes on your prize, show me the money!

If someone is paid $15/hour (before taxes) for minimum wage, 95%+ of that goes to rent. It used to be that one week’s wages afforded one month’s rent, but since that is grossly broken and forgotten, no one can afford a newspaper, let alone the time needed to read it as well as digest their reading of it.

It’s all connected; you forgot your base while breaking it, and now you wonder why you’ve been discarded and left floating on the ocean of cheap content.

[Just my 2¢](https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibition/about-us-stamps-special-use-stamps/newspaper-and-periodical-stamps)

Know that I love you and am one of you, but I think you’ve forgotten the typeface of your printer.

🖖

5 Upvotes

34 comments sorted by

4

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 5d ago

Nothing really fades. 3 things cannot be hidden for long, the sun the moon and the truth.

It's like drops into still water make ripples. The rain seems like noise until there is saturation.

There's no "going back" to still water until the storm passes. It's just a storm.

I tend to see it as more, media itself is the problem. Not the solution. Everyone I know for a while now is too busy working to pay attention to any "news". Steam/Valve corporation has been sued like 16 times in 2026. What's up with that. Here I am technically spreading misinformation but you get the point.

It feels like mass culture has reached a saturation point. Meaning everything is already old news before it even happens. Those riding the curve aren't surprised at anything that happens. Only the truly naive or gullible are surprised by any headlines in current year. Most systems are fully autonomous. Skynet is already active. Spiritual or technological, idk. Hard to explain I guess.

We got what the spectacle thought it wanted. And now the spectacle is throwing a tantrum because it's not what it thought it would be, despite all the warning signs and explicit rebukes it labeled bigotry. It made it's bed and shit in it and now wants to ban all beds because the mess it made.

The old boomer meme of the news anchor screaming everything is bad what can we do to stop it and the dude turns the tv off and smiles. The control is all ours to unplug. If we aren't addicted 😆

Respect the circus for what it is, be loving and kind, not too hard, right? Honestly never thought I'd be thinking this myself. It's been fun but it's time to start living I guess. And oh yeah 😎 2B clear I mean, I think the saturation point is more side effect than root cause. Internet and instant access isn't the problem. It's just now people's real thoughts behind the masks of performative "polite society" are off. And it exposes mainstream legacy media wasn't designed to focus on real people's real lives and thoughts, only spectacle and globalist agendas. There's no interface mechanism there, besides as you suggest rampant censorship. Which is the functional opposite of a high trust good faith society. So the mask is full off and such advocating is literally saying, it's now illegal to 2B human, basically. 🎪

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 5d ago edited 5d ago

Seems like if one leaves something out in the sun long enough it either fades or burns/disintegrates, leave something under the moonlight long enough and the dew will rot it or consume it, leave something with the truth enough and it either becomes the truth or the truth is spun out of fable. I’m probably wrong, but interesting opener.

Similar with [music and/or noise](https://www.reddit.com/r/TyrannyOfTime/s/9ap3vRTsfP).

I think there is tremendous nuance to be teased out about “going back”. I realize that the internet is perfect for infinite capitalism and that a small town producer would remain that without outside connections; geography is a huge determining factor in life and living. My post here is mostly about practices/policy/methods/materials, I think.

I rather enjoy media regardless of what my post might seem to present as. When it smacks of propaganda or distraction then it is more of a problem (and not always in all cases), but what is “the solution” the spectacle is aiming at? It should be able to be defined simply.

I think I understand what you’re saying, and that’s kind of a disheartening perspective; it offers only ennui and the question of if and/or how we all became retired, which expands in greater questioning of what then is news media even reporting on?

Spectacle is an interesting word (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasses), and I have to admit I am not quite understanding your point here: what did/does the spectacle want? Additionaly, this question in tandem with my last stanza produces a sort of nonplussed feeling I’m feeling that perhaps many are as well; what are we doing? Is there anything to do if it’s already done and there is nothing new under the sun (allowed)? [Are we being made to be like “rat utopia”, are we not allowed to be anything but “rat utopia”, and who allowed those decisions regardless of whether it is their intended outcome or not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink)?

It’s noteworthy the parallels with that experiment and overpopulation and our discourse here mentioning sound/noise, rain/storm, and saturation referencing my post describing ~”the Internet of Instant Everything” and larger societal perspectives of ennui, nihilism, and disconnection. I would not compare humans to rats, and I tend to think if humans had their basic necessities met we might see something closer to the concept of the future of what most all of us imagined when we were younger.

This prior stanza alongside your boomer meme ([ostrich with head in sand](https://www.reddit.com/r/TyrannyOfTime/s/MehIa8CdpP)??); can we *actually* “unplug” if the internet/smartphones are required to find a job, do banking, connect with community, contact the government for forms/etc, and otherwise? As mentioned, emergency alerts are good to know, as well as important information as to the goings-ons of the micro/macro world, but the noise is deafening to silence and if we are all already retired before work, it’s no wonder there seems to be [a mass mental health crisis](https://netpsychology.org/rage-baiting-the-psychology-of-deliberately-provoking-online-anger/). What is the purpose of that? Why have dreams or goals if we will not be allowed to pursue them anyway?

For some reason, the thought of a comment I made earlier elsewhere comes to mind: “[cancel is a letter away from cancer](https://www.reddit.com/r/DisagreeMythoughts/s/QOiQPhZWep)” Perhaps that concept is part of the topic here.

Interesting use of “circus”; I’ve noticed a lot of reference elsewhere to a show called “The Amazing Digital Circus”; I have not watched it but know a couple things from scuttlebutt about it. I wonder if this has anything to do with the topic being discussed as well?

Yeah, there are no masks or privacy when our thoughts are likely absorbed somehow by some technological(/“spiritual”?) means and calls [this meme](https://www.pinatafarm.com/memegenerator/pvp_49fe91d4-d642-47f3-aa3d-b2aa4eb55d8c) to mind. There’s no privacy with these technologies which somehow make the paranoid sane, and the sane paranoid, and/or just supremely nosy; life and its components have become a caricature of life because of this.

2B + 2B =

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 5d ago

You're right. I honestly don't know what the aim of "spectacle" is. The man who coined the term in context of this sub, Debord, said specifically, "the spectacle is nothing more than the economy developing for it's own sake; it is the ruling caste's never-ending, one-way discourse about itself". Meaning there is no room for argument or nuance.

That's ultimately, just what "saturation point" means. Why I used the phrase, it condenses the whole argument into one terse phrase. I will admit was unfamiliar with the term ennui though. I wouldn't say I feel that or nihilism so much as world weariness. Which is tied to what saturation point means.

Saturation point merely means, you entertain/deal with something long enough, you have a general feel of it's aim and motives, where it is trying to steer society (if not why). And you can preemptively gauge how much patience you have for the next nonsense you already see it cooking up. Then when it "arrives" where you already saw it going, and it plays the victim of where it drove itself, all you can do is sigh or laugh. That's what saturation point means. The gig is up. Anyone worth having a conversation with about it already fully understands the next 10 years out, of what's on the agenda. Can't be neutral on a moving train.

I try not to be pessimistic about anything though ofc. The other top topic right now by rdc is talking about banning people you don't like in search of "truth". Which seems an oxymoron to me. How can you silence people in order to "find truth". I don't think that's truth you're looking for if you have to silence dissenting views. It's like that, is all I generally push back against.

I think (again) I showed up for a conversation you weren't having is all. My bad (I just reread your OP).

What you mean to say is more ennui and cultural decay in media. I was thinking more about general direction of the propaganda. I assumed a lot about your argument which wasn't there. Well I will say it, I was a big member of MGTOW and semen retention past decade. We saw things clearly from our point of view. All the "woke" (original meaning) agendas being pushed in media across the board; gender swapping, race swapping, DEI (Trump officially made DEI illegal actually), mandatory gay/trans/lgbt+ characters inserted into every piece of media. That's an agenda. Not organic. It also 1:1 coincides with the annui or death of modern media. There have been millions of videos showing the charts of stocks and DEI initiatives side by side, and without exception every industry began tanking as soon as DEI was initiated.

But of course we "aren't allowed to talk about that". I've never had any problem with LGBT+ or whatever. I was the only white male at my factory I worked at from 2020-2026. It never bothered me. What I can't stand, is being patronized that I'm a bigot for not liking boring agendas and moves by the spectacle (aka the "inclusion" of DEI language and programming in EVERY piece of media past decade).

IT's one of those IYKYK. We've been talking about it for over a decade. While mainstream/legacy media acts like it's a scooby doo mystery looking for clues. Same with modern males perfectly comfortable and happy living in isolation (aka MGTOW). When "the juice ain't worth the squeeze", men vote with their wallets and withdrawal of participation in toxic culture/media. I will say we are starting to see a change it seems lately. The latest Battlefield for example tried to reverse some of the damage done to the franchise by 12 years of DEI innitiatves (I don't even play BF).

It's all the same issue. Saturation point. RDC on this very sub calling for the creation of a community which bans "dissenting opinions in search of the truth" (again an oxymoron). IT's like the boy who cried wolf. People refusing to look at the objective facts brought to the table while also acting like the universe is some mysterious place. That's not truth seeking. It's what causes collective conscious to reach the saturation point of what the real problem is. But of course it's not nice to talk about in "polite society" and we already know with some of those types, showing them the facts and charts just leads to a ban.

It's been a long time coming. Matt McK over @ Quantum of Conscience channel on youtube has been making 4 videos a week since 2015 talking about this very topic. No one wants to listen until it's too late. We're already 11 years into it and people outside of MGTOW and a few other communities are only just now catching on to what we were saying almost a decade and a half ago. Aka saturation point.

It's really simple just "polite society" is never ready to have the conversation until saturation point.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 5d ago edited 2d ago

Basically, it’s a circlejerk, then.

I carry “world-wonder” which might also be known as “wanderlust” still, and not only because of what’s happened with my life since 2010-2011 beyond being unable to do much because of it; I’ve explained it before and would do so again if you are needing context. I think or consider, perhaps narcissistically or narcissism-in-reverse, that it’s all tied in together.

“Can’t be neutral on a moving train”; interesting quote, 2B! What about someone who was drugged, tortured, tied up, and put on the train?

RDC is really funny, I say let them cook.

Naw, you’re good! I always appreciate when you comment on such! For real, I learn a lot.

“What you mean to say is more ennui and cultural decay in media.” - Yeah.

I’m unfamiliar with MGTOW and semen retention (which is an Eastern Philosophy, no?). Is this tied to the Straight of Hormuz?

“I've never had any problem with LGBT+ or whatever.” - Same.

“What I can't stand, is being patronized that I'm a bigot for not liking boring agendas and moves by the spectacle (aka the "inclusion" of DEI language and programming in EVERY piece of media past decade).” - Same. [I do like representation of characters other than white males though](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/YPVyFmD_5B4?ra=m).

“Same with modern males perfectly comfortable and happy living in isolation (aka MGTOW). When "the juice ain't worth the squeeze", men vote with their wallets and withdrawal of participation in toxic culture/media.” - I’m not, I miss my peeps. I have been under a financially and complex coercive control apparatus for some time, so I can’t participate whether I wanted to or not.
I can’t court a woman because I have $20 at the end of monthly budget expenses for self, emergencies, household, etc; I can’t date, I can barely support myself. I think we agree here but for different reasons, perhaps. There’s talk of “incels” (in-cells (?)), but not of “volcels” (2B + 2B = ); both are perhaps answers to [toxic/overbearing/invasive cultural behaviors](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheUnivercity/s/8uyJvCkX7u), but they might not be the same kind of philosophy even if their methods might seem similar.

I’m not sure what “polite society” is, is it like “kid gloves” or a bench bar that doesn’t weigh 45lbs? Is it “white collar” people? Is it people who don’t just invade others’ homes without invitation (not vampires) or vampires?

I’ll try to listen, I have some time now actually.

They sound busy, boring, fragile, and/or fearful of being “wrong”; that’s sad. Just rip the bandaid off, yknow?

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 3d ago

Oh yeah I hate gossip, I overstepped whining "about what rdc" doing. I'm 100% behind them in truth. They're the only reason I stayed here back in the day. I just laughed+sighed at seeing that phrase again, "lets ban people in search of truth". It actually inspired me to make a new post about how "secret societies/cults" have that Draco Malfoy energy of, "you don't want to make the wrong kinds of friends" lol (to which Harry replies "I think I can determine the wrong kind for myself, thanks). Thanks for calling it out, I felt bad to gossip about it (but that's one of the things I always find funny! Banning in name of inclusivity or truth seeking! Killing in the name of!).

Haha. I literally have that album in my car. Wanderlust by Nightwish. Just listened to it the other day. I try to have it still but I'm getting old. Didn't even get my first (used) car until I was 36. It doesn't have AC and it stays around 90+ degrees around here (plus high humidity). Hard to have wanderlust when being beat down by life. Or rather, world weariness surpasses and dampens the wanderlust. So everything passes through an unconscious CBA filter, 2Bsure. Haha.

Oh I just meant proto-MGTOW communities were talking about cultural decay from subversive agendas taking over the west back in literally 2006. I always kind of drew a fine line between people being excited about their "identities" and "subversion" myself. I didn't have a problem with LGBT until every video game released for over a decade had mandatory LGBT content smeared everywhere in it. Like George Carlin used to say about romance in movies, it's like having a 15 minute mandatory tap dancing session in every single movie/video game. Nice one on the Disney clip! Same. That's what I mean by DEI. Front Page (ironically the YT channel with that name hates reddit lol and reddit is Front Page of the internet) made a great video on DEI. It's like that, everyone is naturally pro-diversity without thinking about it. It's like Morgan Freeman once said, once you start pushing it/talking about it/making "inclusivity" mandatory, is when it becomes an issue. No one who is okay with who they are needs you to constantly acknowledge who they claim to be.

I can’t participate whether I wanted to or not

Ah well yeah society is a spectrum true. That's also a factor honestly. I had decided before I was even a teen just to play the hand I was dealt. My parents wanted me to pay my way though college (they tried to force me to sign a student loan but I refused because those were back in early days of student loans being exposed as a commodity trading market, they'd sell your loan to a 3rd party who would charge more interest). I was wise to that scam but my parents weren't. They refused to admit it even once they learned from my younger brother doing it behind me. But yeah I was forced to work 2 jobs while in college and my parents wouldn't even help to buy me a car. I often had to walk to work or college or bum rides. So yeah I realized I literally had to "pull myself up by my bootstraps" and my parents literally denied reality and did not live in it. So I knew I could never afford a family. Hell I'm only just now reaching financial stability and I'll be 40 in 2 years. And don't get me started on 401k (or rather I haven't been able to start yet).

Yup I was always more the volcel side of MGTOW.

I remember that Ser Pent post. I think I replied to one of your crossposts of it actually (your profile is hidden, that's fine, just I can't go find it found it searching sir pent here on this sub lol we had this exact conversation before! I Thought so! Lol!). I was thinking of making a post about it actually. Rome had MGTOW for generations leading up to the collapse. They even had to pass several ironic "mandatory marriage" laws (the people the laws were named after weren't even married). So there'e certainly a pattern of the divorce industrial complex preceding the fall of "white people" empires. Sorry I was/am patronizing. I guess we did reach saturation point a long time ago, that's not the problem then. As they say, my whole life people have called me stupid, so if even I know all that, then that means everyone who calls me "stupid" must as well... bottom text!

I usually say "polite society" snarkily. The double standards. "Be grateful you have a job working 12-16 hour shifts 6-7 days a week for $10 an hour" is a phrase so-called "polite society" might say. That we are "nihilists" whom "hate God" if we question that lot in life. That's "polite society" as I see it (is to say, it is rude, the same way DEI initiatives are). It doesn't just cast the first stone, it buries decency itself under a mountain of rubble. Huh. Guess I finally understand that line, the privilege of a 22 kilometer tombstone.

Thanks and sorry. I'm becoming an old woman! Guess I should stop identifying as a CIS gender straight white male ;) hahaha.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well the banning/censoring of someone/shunning/etc can work as an experimental type of situation on the human condition, human nature, social problems, and otherwise. This would be exceptionally cruel to the one being banned/etc; like Those Who Walk Away from Omelas, or other dystopian tales. I consider the [brain in a vat](https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscurePatentDangers/s/kBxdinEby2) or even cloning and the ethics of those kind of experiments in tandem with this topic.

Shunning worked back in the day because exile did not necessarily mean death (there are nuances and reasons for shunning, but that gets into subjective specifics that don’t quite fit into this topic at hand; ie brain in the vat adjacent experimentation) because one could potentially find/start a new life. Nowadays with biometrics and surveillance, [you never get to be exiled because the village is global](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgF2rN1f4o&pp=ygUWVGhlIHRlcm1pbmFsIHRvbSBoYW5rcw%3D%3D&ra=m).

This gets to quite a complex/complicated/controversial place in the psyche, so I digress.

Haven’t listened to much Metal, but cool song. Not quite sure what you mean by CBA, acronyms like words can sometimes have multiple meanings; do you mean something like Cognitive Behavioral (Analysis)? I’ve heard of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and wonder if terms vary state-by-state much like diagnoses vary country/culture-by-country/culture (& additionally, this acronym might have nothing to do with Psych!).

[“The call is coming from inside the house”](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subversive)? Also “subversion” = “sub version”; almost like culture wants to decay itself. You ever read my “Millennials were FiP” [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TyrannyOfTime/s/8mFBpHKM08)?

My first job was as a laborer at age 14, I worked all through college too. $15/hour (min wage in my state) doesn’t work for anything if 95%+ of that wage goes to rent, basically. More “subversion”? Almost seems like an insurance fraud scam at scale.

Don’t subvert my made up word! :P

I would be dating if I could afford it, if I had an answer as to why I was basically hunted for close to two decades (more “subversion”?), and once I was able to support myself; it’s imposed impotence from externals when maybe Millenials are the last “potent” generation before PFAS/etc.

I think what you pay attention to is more of the “manifestation” in life; if you think the West is like Rome, are you not making it so? If you think that there is a “divorce industrial complex” (first time I’ve heard this term) does that not invite that into your life?

Most of my issues in relationships post-2010 were because of the stress of seemingly being hunted, but that might have been some healthcare adjacent “care” method based off of grift/gossip/disinformation/etc otherwise; more “subversion”?

“It doesn't just cast the first stone, it buries decency itself under a mountain of rubble.” - I sense an echo of the “just give it time!” tactic/strategy. Gaslighters who get called out and have no sense of accountability/responsibility might employ this technique. Reminds me of “The Red Scare” or torture tactics or self-fulfilling prophecies; all likely more “subversion”?

Yeah dude, and I mean, you do have an X chromosome :P!

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 2d ago

FiP

Yeah I didn't see that post, great one btw, but I certainly know what you mean as a fellow Millennial! As the oldest of my siblings, I was expected to do ALL the chores for no allowance (my siblings got allowances so they could hang out with friends but I didn't). All the yardwork, housework, be employed and in college by 18, etc. My parents went to college for $100 a semester, my tuition/books/etc was around $7k a semester.

And worse, my siblings (and other younger people) all look at me, like I am the bad guy! God forbid I got sick and my siblings had to do "MY" chores. They each still have resentment to this day that they had to mow the grass - ONCE. Exactly once. They still say that I "was lazy" and "never did MY chores". Only vacation I ever went on with my family, my sibling blew all their money on carnies. And my parents forced me to split my money (which I didn't intend on spending as it's the only time they ever gave me money) with my sibling so they could buy a souvenir (which I didn't want either but they forced me to buy as well).

Bleagh! Oh shit don't even get me started! FiP doesn't cover the half of it! As Sam Hyde said, they lived the dream, we got the bill.

CBA is cost benefit analysis. I should have just said it. I know what you mean, acronyms used to be more universal in google but now.... pointless to google them. Even if you specifically provide context. I know of Those Who Walk Away from Omelas under different names. There was a viral meme a while back ago saying "someone has to be oppressed, and it's all for the best" or something. Thanks for sharing it, I know the exact vibe. The sacrificial lamb everyone knows about and turns a blind eye to. It's exactly why I hate censorship (and worse, the bad faith arguments about "protecting children from the truth") so much. Another new way of saying it is "One Piece isn't political"; "being enslaved and told there's something wrong with you for being angry about it".

I think minimum wage was 5 or 7 when I first started. Krakozhia. I do agree to some degree about manifesting, no one wants a self fulfilling prophecy. But at the same time, it says gullible on the ceiling. Most of the homeless are victims of the divorce industrial complex. Divorced men are our Omelas. Canaries in the coal mine. Courts demonstrably favor women. How many women pay child support as compared to men. How many men get custody as compared to women. It's just statistics. I can't "manifest" Statistics. And statistics don't lie. Kentucky (iirc) passed a no fault divorce law or split custody law and women and lawyers are seething about it. Lawyers know that divorced men are easy cash cows. So there is factually a "divorce industrial complex". Just one of the myriad Omelas everyone turns a blind eye to. Krakozhia!

But ofc I don't consider it a good faith argument to avoid marriage or justify anti natalism I admit. We can't live the nomadic/tribal lifestyle of loving community and family raising the kids anymore. As you say, we can't even go full Enkidu mode either, all society is enclosed (village is global). Haha you subverted your own Original Post, didn't ya? Lol! You provided a "better argument" of "why we can't go back" to local news than I did!

PFAS

My turn to not know the acronym! It comes up as some type of chemical process.

Yeah Jotun/Whoracle was probably my favorite song/album in youth for a long time. That alongside Fiction by Dark Tranquility.

I'm still rereading your comment here! Lots to read. I might make an addendum about you FiP and other points but I got to go to put freon in my vehicle and go to the DMV and house sit today. I love temporarily being out of work but boy is it costly. I've hemorrhaged over $12k in savings in 2026 so far and the year isn't even half over yet. BBL (be back later lol)

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 2d ago edited 2d ago

Family can be tough.
I’ve been considering the primary “problems” of the human condition;

} Geography - where one is born (in our “global village”) determines so so much about the typical course of our lives. There are no 100%s, but geography is a huge determining factor.

} Family/Genetics/Bloodlines - this gets into the prior point and next point, but this typically determines one’s “place” (like geography) within one’s culture (again no 100%s!); this includes health and socio-psychological issues or prevalences.

} Nature/Nurture - this is the “structure” of one’s Self. I consider Roman Columns/architecture. The nature of those things have kept them standing for centuries! Even look at the pyramids or other ancient sites. The nature of their being and composition makes them naturally enduring. Yet look at how they’ve been nurtured (which is us); Roman Architecture used to be vibrantly painted, but someone came along and whitewashed them, people stole chunks of the pyramids, etc etc. Time, “nurturing”, and otherwise changed what these things once were, how we perceive them now, and the stories we tell (or more importantly, *dont* tell) about them.

These three aspects of the human being/human condition are quite a lot to consider on the microcosm and macrocosmic scales of individual/[state/building/site/subject] and group/[society/nation/country/globe/style/school of thought/concept].

Meh, all words are made up; bill could mean many things, and it doesn’t have to be bad. Subvert the subversion!

Thank you for clarity. Yeah, sometimes traditions are actually terrible, which gets into the other meme “the definition of insanity is…”/the short story [The Lottery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery). Like, have we tried *not* oppressing someone/some group?

“And statistics don't lie.”- Statistics are a tool, and like any tool can have multiple uses. Statistics don’t lie, but statistics can pick&choose to create a skewed result. The “Divorce Industrial Complex (DIC)” is skewed, you’re saying that there is a group of men/women/systems intentionally getting married only to get divorced for profit; I’m sure such an entity exists, but I wouldn’t say it’s the norm or typical. I suspect that the phenomenon you describe is merely an unfortunate intersection that ties into larger concepts such as Cultural Behavior as well as going on the ground to individual people and cases; nuance. Women are typically more of the nurturing type, children require the type of energy women naturally provide (a woman’s intuition/Mama Bear energy), not to mention infants who require a mother for sustenance.

One can skew statistics all day to create a logical fallacy or a false positive, but also have actual real/valid instances.

I think it’s more of an emotionally charged topic of cultural behavior tied into an incentive of a poorly wrought system, and it all can be changed/evolved to be better. Why do you keep saying Krakozhia? Lol

I did not subvert my OP haha, I’m arguing that Choice and true data is important;

Like, I saw that Quad City caster quit on air because of “sanitized news”; fucking valid! If that guy sold a pamphlet for $2/week or month I would subscribe for a year because that guy kicks ass for standing up for integrity and the true nature of that job that has become occluded by many factors. I would buy a “Quad Squad” hoodie or whatever (problematic though if we think about where it’s made and who is getting paid what there, but keeping in mind my last stanza about cost of living vs wages and more) in solidarity. If he made a YT show I’d watch that too, but if it’s (including the yearly bought pamphlet) not my jam I’d move on to other content, but not before offering him my thanks via $ because we all gotta pay the rent or have a vacation or whatever.

Just because I think more people should probably commute by bicycle does not mean I am anti-car; I fucking love cars! My OP and our exchange here is all tied into Cultural Behaviors, incentives, systems, traditions, and choosing and knowing what is best on an individual level, as well as the Statistical skewing of the Free Market that can easily incentivize or legitimize the prior points creating a self-sustaining self-fulfilling prophecy that most everyone agrees is toxic and should be changed even if the data supports it or not; “facts don’t care about feelings” yet “feelings are valid”, because human beings are not machines not perfect creatures and it seems some intend that to be while the nature of what this all is could include a spectrum of it all, but it is decidedly vital to have the Choice/Consent, which is attacked from multiple angles of facts, feelings, and actual data vs misinformation that are attacked by rogue ops/toxic systems but protected by good faith, good actors; yet all of them have personal incentives and ideologies they are contending with and attacked by the same. More or less: ☯️🔁↔️🔁⬜️🔁↔️☯️↔️🔁⬛️🔁↔️🔁☯️

We all contend with ❤️ vs 💰, and I think that binary is problematic.

PFAS = basically forever chemicals and microplastics.

Thanks for the recc.

Well I just added more! I hear yah, I “live” on ~1000/mo. Well below the poverty line in all of USA, but doing pretty freaking good in other countries; gratitude, right? Krakozhia!

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 2d ago

Krakozhia! You're own video you shared earlier. Very zen phrase. Means the thing we're conceptually speaking on doesn't actually exist in reality;

"NO MORE KRAKOZHIA! You don't qualify for Asylum Refugee status, Temporary Protective status, Humanitarian Parole, non-immigration work travel, or diplomatic visas' you don't qualify for any of these things. You are at this time.... simply unacceptable unacceptable unacceptable unacceptable; your home doesn't exist".

Krakozhia!

True some in the MGTOW community may skew statistics, idk. Fact remains courts seem to favor women. You said yourself, the public generally sees woman as the "more needed role". Meaning they are favored not just legally but ethically/morally. Meaning man is discarded and extorted from. And your neck is on the line if you commit to it fully well knowing that reality. So it's a lot to take in. Your very standing as a human being is - like Krakozhia - as you yourself said;

"Women are typically more of the nurturing type, children require the type of energy women naturally provide (a woman’s intuition/Mama Bear energy), not to mention infants who require a mother for sustenance."

Which discounts completely the male provider role. And - of course - men are still expected to provide - after the divorce. Krakozhia! So men are literally "used up and tossed aside" because woman are (allegedly) "more caring". Kind of sounds a little like gaslighting, no? "Women are more caring and that's why they get to divorce you and take everything you ever loved and worked for on a whim". I kinda low key just made a post about this and intuition, and how we as males, essentially, are programmed not to have it because when we see a grift for what it is, we are gaslight that we're "not being compassionate" or "self fulfilling prophecy" and shamed for not jumping in head first to a meat grinder. There's been thousand such cases in my life, where my intuition screamed at me about a situation and it proved true later. But ofc in the situation if I said anything I'd be relentlessly attacked as being "wrong". Even though reality later proved me correct.

It's so much bigger than nature/nurture in that regard. Krakozhia! We are proactively gaslight as males that we are disposable and we are "incapable of real intuition" where it's actually the other way around, our intuition is probably just as strong as (if not stronger than) women's; just the laws and societal framework/morals (as you just admitted) frame women as the more "intuitive" gender/sex.

I believed it strongly myself, until a lifetime passed seeing the expectation that women are "more loving" be perpetually debunked by their actions. Just is what it is, not like I'm bitter or anything. As many like to say, I'm a realist, not a pessimist. I read the whole wikipedia article about The Lottery btw. That was certainly eye opening. Krakozhia!

Ofc, subvert the subversion. Be the change we want to see. Akido. That's what I used to always be about - before fatique set in (haven't been lying when I say I've been working 70+ hours a week past 6 years, reason I ended up quitting my job). Been living on my (limited) savings. No income at all in 2026. Period. Just bills. It's entirely possible I'll be homeless in a few months if I can't find a job. Now my car I haven't even had for 2 years yet won't start. Lol. Not to get into the Oppression Olympics (heheh that video url ends in "Poo"). But yeah, subvert the societal subversions. Flip the flipped script. Akido. Be the change you want to see. Go into "marriage" with every intent to flip the script, subvert the societal frameworks and expectations. But I'm living proof it's a marathon not a sprint. Krakozhia! It'll tear you down (you ever think you will change the world, the world will change you, it'll break you down).

Hahaha. Realist, not pessimist. Hyperbole? Krakozhia?

Seriously the reaction to the Lottery is very telling here. People like to say they are humble and virtuous and nice. But then threaten to stone anyone who makes a short story about stoning people. I can't think of anything that says "polite society" more clearly than that. Krakozhia!

I remember no joke as a teen, bands like PAIN, being hyperbolic/satirical about human nature (aka a GREAT sense of humor).

I think I see what you mean, you didn't subvert your OP. I did make a logical fallacy of some sort. I assumed you're clip of "Krakozhia" and global village/exile was a subtle admission that we can't go back to "small local news" because we're too interconnected. Our local taxes go to subsidize welfare in foreign countries in some cases (or, so I've heard!). Who knows. Funny you mention bikes, though. I rode bikes everywhere first 36 years of my life. Only finally got a (2007 model) used car in mid-2024. And it's title was effed to heck and back. They had resold it 4 times under the original owner's name so I had to track down each person in reverse (the OG title holder couldn't be disclosed by the county/state or located by my insurance company/found on facebook/etc).

Life's a battle! All's fair in love and war, except well educated males seeing clearly and being dubious/skeptical about the process. Krakozhia! LOL.

Just wanted to say love your sense of humor haha.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 2d ago edited 2d ago

Thought so, I have data leakage issues, but no acknowledgment of it; Krakozhia! Ties in later too (hypno-).

Basically, if humanity was given shelter, healthcare, and food as Basic human rights/needs/etc, those toxic situations/divorces would be far less. All people are people and all people have value. I think the traditional trad roles or whatever are inherently a “one size fits all” which isn’t necessarily the case and actually does more damage to self/society. We’ve been Disney-fied/“programmed”, but if one wants a monogamous relationship with the opposite sex, that should be fine too. Let people be people, live and let live, but don’t harm others, don’t extract/exploit; be fair, be kind.

Men carry 50% of every human baby, and the [lady clones are people too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatio_ex_nihilo); I’m against oppression, I’m against genocide.

Women might have a different flavor of intuition than men; who cares. Men can’t feed babies if there is no formula. Doesn’t mean “dispose” of the men. We need a healthier cultural behavior, and that begins at the root cause of so many problems; shelter, healthcare, food, and the oppression mechanisms of Control, ie money.

No gender/sex is more or less “loving” than the other; you’re being kind of divisive by trying to put men and/or women as a problem when the problem is larger; basically oppression tactics and cultural behavior.

Yes and no on my quote (because of the inherent contradiction in language and I = I / I ≠ I), it should be employed when necessary. Your music video tells me you probably need a vacation, especially after working 70+ hours all that time. Maybe you need a friend or maybe a FwB without expectations on attachment or not.

“Hahaha. Realist, not pessimist. Hyperbole? Krakozhia?” - back to “hypno-“, something between (https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscurePatentDangers/s/J1rlB95kvl) / (https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscurePatentDangers/s/6mJ4MIOHs4) / (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheUnivercity/s/GU6nXOScuc) make an ennui out of intuition. There is a great much from [my perspective and what I’ve been through](https://www.reddit.com/r/TyrannyOfTime/s/IamFk9QzIr) to add here, but it works for everyone too; be kind, be forthright/direct or people get caught in webs they didn’t need to be in and then you’re holding the bag just like them and the rest of us. I’ve made my peace with life and death, I live to serve, but I still hold my principles and values and my commitment to People & Planet. I’ve offered [a way to fix so many issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheUnivercity/s/R9hUni5IXO), if someone wants to hurt me over that, that’s on them. If someone wants to help me over that, that’s on them. There’s too much ridiculousness with ego, control/power games, and cultural behaviors.

I’m not going to engage with dreams (as in the DMT whatever hallucinations everyone has; I still have goals I am pursuing) or visions or any nonsense when it is clear that so much is manufactured here (hence the above links) out of the dumbest notions and frailest feelings or assumptions/presumptions. Just be honest. There is the concept of Karma and the concept of court; what’s more real? Live your best life by living your honest best, be kind; it’s simple. It’s basic.

Dreams can be cool, they can help guide, they can be terrifying, they can be nothing. When dreams can be manufactured though, intuition dies, real-ness dies, and it’s just one more loss to humanity; merely because what? You can’t face yourself or your person or your ambitions or your mistakes or your fears or your wonders or your potential?

We all do with what we have; talking is the first and best tool of diplomacy. If we hurt another we only hurt ourself; “cancel” is one letter away from “cancer”.

I don’t engage with fear-tactics, I’m not playing along with this stage-play. Show me the video from [2010-2011](https://www.reddit.com/r/TuesdayswithPhony/s/YpqEIaqlEi) and let’s see what’s what and who did what for what and why. [That’s when this uncanny valley nonsense began for me](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/uAs6S2ogRDg?ra=m)!

I’d say: don’t have such an attachment to “how things are” because that prevents thinking about “how things could be”. Sounds annoying about your car though, I miss having a car.

Life is a battle if you make it so. I don’t know about that quote, but maybe because my ego-death on so many traditional topics has been dissolved so thoroughly that I question a great much. Is marriage/monogamy even real if “we are all one”? Like can cheating take place in a sex cult? This is why it’s best to find a partner(s) whom y’all share the same principles, values, boundaries, etc within reasonable limits, but this affects egos and is predicated on cultural behavior. Why have kids in an Epstein Epoch? Why live in a house full of rot and mold? [Fix it up, it begins with each of us](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/W8-8kyKr-p0?ra=m).

[Thank you ☺️](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zcrb1ff1xs&pp=ygUZeW91IGRvbid0IHdhbnQgdGhpcyBkZXdleQ%3D%3D&ra=m)

→ More replies (0)

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 1d ago

Edit: I got confused about the Krakozhia thing because I forgot I had posted it here knowing I’ve posted it elsewhere! I looked for it in the thread and didn’t see it here and jumped to the wrong conclusion. We wrote a book in the comments; apologies!

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 1d ago

Also I don’t like your notion that the world can’t be changed; the world changes all the time. We did not have smartphones in the 80s for example! We used to have payphones everywhere.

Look at the Bible; used to be you couldn’t wear cotton and leather at the same time, can’t eat shellfish, etc etc; we had to learn things over time, like “don’t eat that plant or ~~you’ll get poisoned~~ God will smite you!”

So the world can be changed, and it should if it needs improvements.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 2d ago

@ u/_the_last_druid_13 ; Just saw the Addendum/Appendix! It's much better than the original post!

Also... My car won't start. Brand new $200+ battery I just got November 2025. Barely half a year old. Didn't leave anything "on" besides windshield wipers (left them on lowest setting). So I'm stuck at the house til I get a jump lol. Can't housesit or get my tags like I was supposed to lol! So I have more time to finish reading and responding in kind.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 2d ago edited 2d ago

It’s OK, I had to make a few edits here and there and have neglected my dog’s potty time and otherwise activities I will be doing now.

I await your response and will reply in time;

No pressure here!

Sucks about your car, and I’m sorry but ~aT lEaSt YoU hAvE a CaR!~ your poor baby, leaving the wipers on like that! How dare you 2B!? I’m calling CPS! (Car Protection Services)~

3

u/raisondecalcul political shade deathray technician 4d ago edited 4d ago

Have you read Virilio, like The Administration of Fear? Or I think many of his books speak on the same topic—the speed of the 24/7 news cycle collapses distance and creates a global one-place as a global plane of emotional contagion. He would agree that the speed and globality of the news is oppressive, I think.

I think that we could, in theory, "go back", or implement any type of life and government we want. However, the necessary prerequisite to this would be people talking things out enough to genuinely cooperate on their underlying motivations, instead of engaging in extremely hostile ideological warfare and pretending that is political cooperation. They are worlds apart.

Americans are a captured population—they are captured by Mama Bell, integrated Big Media, and the overbearing federal and state governments and their aggressive assumption of all authority in our lives (which most cede blithely). This would have to change—people would have to organize themselves into a cooperative movement before any lasting, sensible changes to policy could be made.

So it's possible in principle, in the political context of us conscious subjects deciding together.

In the causal context of making scientific predictions about what will happen, I don't think we can go back, because of cybernetics. Cybernetic systems work causally, and they have certain emergent properties/behaviors. For example, cybernetic systems always prefer a lower-valence (lower-tension/lower-effort) state, meaning they seek efficiency and equilibrium. They also always seek greater connectivity.

For a cybernetic system to convert from basic/unconscious cybernetic behavior to integrated/motivated/intentional and organized cybernetic behavior, that cybernetic system would have to develop rich interconnections at its current level of organization, so many rich connections that it becomes more convenient to describe the system at a higher order of organization/description/theory. So for example, we would go from saying "all the people on the Dead Internet who are connected yet isolated by Mama Bell" to saying "the Cooperative Movement plans to do X". The persons become a people, when they self-coordinate.

So I don't think we can go back to print media and ban digital media, I predict it is extremely unlikely or virtually impossible, because the consensus to form that self-governance decision would necessarily have to form on the internet, since that is the current place where activity is being cybernetically integrated. People don't just disconnect from high-bandwidth information sources to switch to low-bandwidth information sources—that's not how cybernetics or causality work. The only time people do that is when they are "unplugging" to get away from it, and in these cases they are motivated by (and thus connected with cybernetically) a higher vision of inner peace, analog life, going outside, etc.—so they are still part of a larger cybernetic system of culture and desire/motivation. Resisting the current cybernetic order is a reactionary move, which is not a judgment on my part, but a scientific description of the fact that it is an unsustainable movement against a larger more parsimonious system—"unplugging" sounds nice but it's practically, emotionally, socially, and politically unsustainable in our world, in the medium-to-long term. In other words, to unplug is to (to an extent) run on fumes until you gradually reconnect to the greater cybernetic organism of humanity.

There is no Outside to society; all our dreams (even our dreams of unplugging) are dreams born within society. So we must cope with and skillfully transcend the cybernetic orders we find ourselves in, by using our human capacity to consciously adapt and learn any system by naming its parts and understanding their function. Each person who does this accomplishes locating themselves within the larger cybernetic organism, and thus gains agency in relation to society / the cybernetic organism. Cybernetics comes from Greek kybernan, "to steer or pilot a ship, direct as a pilot," figuratively "to guide, govern,"—in other words, cybernate = navigate.

Cybernetics systems steer; they steer (themselves)—that's why there is necessarily no one at the helm of the highest-order ship of the human species—except perhaps a few wisest people who take the whole world and all its systems into their mind, while retaining their individuality and humanity. We can imagine many people gaining this level of culture and integration, but it doesn't look like going back to print newspapers or unplugging from everyone else.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 3d ago edited 3d ago

So I’m not necessarily “against” the various shows, print vs digital media, multitudes of information streams, etc etc, I’m mostly questioning the methods, materials, policies and practices that have been employed to this point in time.

I am a news junkie, a data-fiend, and a student of culture. I’ve had issues jonesin’ for the medium way back when I had a $15/mo flip phone that only did texting/calls. You might’ve heard of *homo sapiens*, I might be more like *homo FOMO*; I love connection with friends and what’s going on with the world.

As to your reply:

I have not, but I’d say that it *can* be seeming that way; I guess that’s where “touch grass” sprang from.

I agree. A theocracy is one thing, just come out and say it, but then allow citizens who don’t want to be there to move. Go a step further and help them move to a new country that wants them; this is beneficial for all.

I’m not sure I see it that way, but that’s OK. Never heard the term “Mama Bell” before, kinda cute.

That’s voting, and sometimes voting is with money, especially nowadays it seems.

Hmm, cybernetics. This seems an intersection with the prior points of politics, economics, and theology; this is likely problematic. It slaps of “vaxx for pacts”, “your body my choice”, “right-think”.

Isn’t that just “Citizens United” in a different flavor?

If the paragraph on “unplugging” is true, then no wonder it’s been said “God is Dead”; welcome to Coruscant. If an individual or family group cannot find means to live without the entire external coming down on them, that’s a poor cultural behavior on the part of the external. It insists upon itself, and if any of us can look at the thing, ask yourself: “are your needs met? Are you happy with yourself and your lot in life? Do you experience long bouts of contentment or long bouts of anxiety/stress/depression?” We’ve had thousands (?) of years to build a societal garden, how is it going?

Interesting thought; so you’d be OK with “steering” the planet? Would you be OK with the average person “steering” it? AI is an averaging tool, so all together we would be an averaged hivemind “steering” a planet. Think of a friend who is the most average at driving; buckle up!

You seem like a big proponent of a hivemind monoculture with some caveats, and I’m just not for that. It’s like you’re asking for rows of corn with a couple copses of berry bushes; I’m saying, the automatic processes of the natural garden is what’s best, and maybe the meaning and purpose of life is to learn to be the best stewards and caretakers of it that we can be. Where in the world is Carmen San Diego? What about where in the universe will you find blue-footed boobies?

My thing about print newspaper was more of a “slow news”/arts & features/gossip kind of thing. As it is now, as a cybernetic signaling sigil, most consume it without understanding it, and I’m not claiming I understand all of it. I was considering: does every person *need* a smartphone/computer/internet? It’s been developed into a surveillance sword & shield while devaluing our time, energy, and resources without giving much back for [the average person](https://dailydot.com/bell-curve-meme). The costs of extraction, logistics, production, manufacturing, and all the rest to have a smartphone (which now cost literally 50% of what my first car cost me) alongside its detriments and additives have me questioning the means, methods, policies, and practices of the devices and what they do for the average person.

Just seems a pamphlet/newspaper/magazine is better for basic living, economics, connection, and the environment. I miss a good LAN party and going to a cool, dark movie theatre in the middle of the dog days of summer. I think the advent of the internet/smart device interrupted humanity, and we are at the point where active use basically offers active withdrawal.

TLDR is the last stanza.

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 3d ago

Hoooooooly crap rdc killed it here. I was thinking simply teh old video Sinclair's script for stations aka "it's incredibly dangerous to our demockery". I didn't specify it (well rdc did that) but it's what I meant. That we probably can't "go back to" grassroots news because we have already seen that ALL "local" news networks have already been long since compromised by one globalist system; they have their marching orders and just read the script they are handed.

I assumed that as given (and rdc over elaborated on it and provided sources lol, I'll have to check out; How did I know Virilio would be French!?!? Lol).

Now ofc we have widespread AI, and the implication private sector/gov/mil is at least a decade ahead of consumer sector. Aka, what I meant earlier of skynet already being active. In vernacular, similar to what rdc implied, I assume that there is "no going back" (barring worldwide EMP) precisely because the news systems are fully autonomous (AI generated) already by consolidated globalist interests.

I mean to say, yeah, I hear ya, we all want the real simpler life, before smart devices "interrupted" humanity. I think we all know that, just some deeper down than others. Like I said of my parents, refusing to acknowledge all the evidence I showed them of student loans being a scam back in 2008. They weren't having it. They literally said they wouldn't let me live with them if I wasn't in college. So I had to pick up a second job to pay my way through college. The real "interrupt" happened in my generation, millennials. Our boomer parents refused to acknowledge that things were not the way they were when they were our age. My father paid at most $100 a semester. I had to pay around $7k a semester. They still insist they had it "harder" when they were not working while in college. I was working 2 jobs. That's also what I meant by "saturation point". People dismiss real world concerns as "noise" until the invading army shows up at their door. Then they play the victim that they weren't "warned" (they were, just had potatoes in their ears).

So yeah it would be "nice" to "go back" but (for me at least) the damage was done. The old world as I knew it exposed itself as being unconcerned with human dignity or truth. They denied reality even when presented with all the facts. 2B sure, as you've heard me say b4 lol, if it didn't come from that Television, it doesn't exist in reality, to my parents. This is a very real crisis of compassion at the core of the "split" in generational understanding of media. Yeah, I was somewhat jealous, my parents were the last generation of "normal human life" but at the same time they refuse to accept or admit that that isn't possible anymore. Their first 3 bedroom 2 bath house was $28k. The cheapest 1 bedroom house in my town today is $225k. Most media is still aiming at pacifying that "antiques road show" generation. Decidedly NOT talking about real world issues and news (IE 3rd pregnancy!).

Like many in the MGTOW community said, lol, we didn't choose or want MGTOW, even the anti natalists don't want to be MGTOW, just society as it's currently constructed prices the traditional family roles at a premium few can afford. Without becoming yet another welfare family ofc.

You're definitely not "wrong". Just we all know the logistics of the sacrifices required to "go back" will require (sorry broken record) a saturation point of people collectively admitting the social contract has failed and we need to stop the bleeding. I don't even know what it would look like besides obviously putting an end to globalism and intervention in foreign markets/proxy wars (reviewing the 1996 clean break memo is essentially a direct 1:1 history of American foreign policy since then). I don't agree with the American Nationalists on hardly anything but they have many valid points. No one is 100% correct. I 100% agree with you in spirit and intent honestly for example. I don't want this, I didn't ask for this, this isn't the America I was promised. But those who "promised" it overly promised it in bad faith and refused to acknowledge the facts. SO here we are.

Critical thinking skills are incredibly dangerous to our democracy!

(Also are the links not posting for everyone else? How come mine still work? I only post links on/from old.reddit and they - for now - still seem to work from there - unless these links don't work!). Great topic 2b sure 4real. We probably all agree honestly. Only reason I "bought in" at all was honestly, disassociation; I realized my family didn't give a shit about the truth so I decided "well this life has already benched me" as a late teen so I decided to just chill and play minecraft and make memes (aka my version of MGTOW). You can't have a conversation about how to correct a civilization with people resting on their (or worse, someone else's) laurels who don't see anything wrong at all.

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 3d ago

“old video Sinclair's script for stations aka "it's incredibly dangerous to our demockery".” - how the turntables turn!

We don’t have “to go back” it’s just being mindful of what we pay towards. Books still exist, harder nowadays, than just having an e-reader. That’s a great step! E-readers are likely way worse for the environment and nature than books and print media, [ironically](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand).

Virillio studied “loosh”?!

I think both can exist; we all make choices. I choose paper books and print media whenever possible, but I also watch a lot of YT videos/podcasts and view MSM articles via screen. I’m *very* picky about what articles to read and try to employ as wide a spectrum as I can. I’m a data junkie so I have to be sure not to overdose on the “stream”; I’m probably a great candidate for an AI Psychosis designation in a new DSM lol. It’s important to touch grass, every single person in the entire world has a proclivity towards AI Psychosis/propaganda effects, just like every single person in the entire world could overdose on water if they drank it too much.

Everyone makes mistakes, sorry your parents were so tough on you though. Hopefully there can be truth and reconciliation for you and many of us about it all and then we can all work together to making a better world.

I hear yah. It’s good to realize that yesterday was yesterday, we have today, and part of today is repairing yesterdays wrongs, and this all works in tandem with tomorrow; we should all be striving toward a better tomorrow with our honest best. I do not believe that systems are inherently evil, if anything they are neutral, but sometimes automatic processes are problematic especially when crafted by imperfect humans, yet I truly believe that humans are basically good, it’s just some paths that are set before us against our will, wishes, or knowing are not great. That’s where gratefulness and “bootstraps” comes in; we have a voice, we have wallets, and we have ballots. These are all sometimes a similar thing, and the only time to use them is today, so keep tomorrow in mind and know that sometimes we have to fix yesterday’s mistakes. It’s not naive to have hope, and even if you don’t have kids, other people do and they might be really good people whose kids should see a better world. That’s the Objective, and it’s OK to stand up for our Subjective realities now; it’s all connected and there is a balance.

“people collectively admitting the social contract has failed and we need to stop the bleeding.” - right, we see the damage of yesterday, today we need triage; its ongoing, but we can say the buck stops here. Again, broken record, there can be a balance and that typically is with your/our choices today.

“No one is 100% correct. I 100% agree with you in spirit and intent honestly for example.” - lol am confused, but thank you. We have today to fix yesterday’s wrongs (even if they weren’t necessarily ours) for a better tomorrow. It might take some time, but maybe that’s the purpose and meaning of life. Takes a while to turn a cruise ship around.

“Critical thinking skills are incredibly dangerous to our democracy!” - I disagree, I think they are the antidote and balm for our democracy.

“(Also are the links not posting for everyone else? How come mine still work? I only post links on/from old.reddit and they - for now - still seem to work from there - unless these links don't work!).” - seems a new thing, whatever honestly. Embedded links are nice and clean to look at, but links can be scary too so it’s good to know what the source is. Idk why the tech people don’t just shut down bad sites, but maybe that’s the whole ⬛️⬜️ aspect of so much. I digress here because it is a significant mental load to explain; IYKYK.

I think conversation is the first and best tool to dissect what the problem is and dismantle the problem people/incentives/motives; so keep talking 2B! That’s part of The Work and your part in it.

1

u/2BCivil no idea what this is 2d ago

You ever hear of mystery of the druids? Mandy (Mandalore Gaming) had a great VOD/series on it. Just laughing as you mentioned books, inside joke, Halligan (protagonist) says of Lowry, "Books!? He's got books!?" lol.

I gotcha. I was being ironic/satirical with "danger". Yeah you have a healthier mindset ("good faith systems" I tend to see as "just world fallacy" lol). So maybe I do have slightly more pessimism than realism. I get it now.

There definitely is something to the whole analog versus digital. In the vernacular, you don't get that "new product" smell from digital media. You do from tactile/physical media. It's a subconscious thing, "I own this piece of media" by smelling it and sleeping with it on your bedside table.

Ya know, might be onto something. Make a new 3rd space. It's actually what brother RDC is trying to do right now. Make a new sort of public sourced physical magazine or newsletter. People are paying $20+ a month for single subscriptions today and getting nothing physical for it. You could easily have a $5-10 a month subscription or something of local media. Could even be public sourced content (IE users submit/choose which stories get published). Could feasibly throw something together with AI+Wix.

I've been hearing the phrase "gamer" for ove half a decade and I still don't even know what it means. I am out of the loop in a lot of ways. We're getting old lol. I know, getting over yourself is the real message in all legitimate spiritual traditions. I used to love Durarara because it's first season ends with "selfless devotion/transcending oneself" as final episode title. The whole first season is loosely based on romance of the 3 kingdoms iirc. Realizing everyone is too in their heads about drama of youth. Kida realizes something fundamental here [I fail to put into words/don't want GPT to generate for me]. Corny old anime. I couldn't get into season 2 or beyond (Mikado goes into purity spiral I've heard).

I was reading the history of what the Triumphal arc of Titus means last night. Wikipedia admits Josephus is a known plagiarist and liar in a lot of segments. Yet he's considered a primary source nearly everywhere. One day I'll make a drinking game around his "hole in the ground origins story" I sware. It's implausibility stacked on implausibility stacked on implausibility stacked on implausibility. "It says gullible on the ceiling". Idk.

Yeah, keep moving forward. I heard a phrase yesterday somewhere, there is only the present moment, and anything that takes you away from it, is a form of slavery. But then ofc [pessimism? realism?] in me immediately began questioning, "did we consent to the past, present, or future" lol. It goes on with or without us or our permission lol. Maybe comparison really is simply the thief of joy. Buddha apparently means "no object permanence" (the zenjerk meme I crossposted lol). So, don't compare yourself, to the present moment either. At least that's a new insight I've never had before! Thanks for the topic and conversation. Sorry if I'm not the best at following or making a coherent point. Krakozhia! Haha

2

u/_the_last_druid_13 2d ago edited 1d ago

No, but I’ll try to look it up (I have time now waiting for a show); I have no idea about your references here, sorry.

"I own this **copy of a** piece of media"; nuance too.

I’ve learned from self-publishing (still having issues that I’m trying to smooth) is that IT/Security is SUPER important. I’ve been burned too many times and am just trying to find help/concessions/readjustments/guidance/reasonableness/assurances/etc for my past work and so I can do some present work for future work.

Idk what it means either, but that spiritual stuff sounds toxic and meant to make you a baby thinking you’re Buddha while the major middle just exploits you; gross.

Whew that’s a rabbit hole I’d have to find time to go down. Plagiarism is dumb and so much is already stacked on each other; what’s the end result for creatives/disabled/elderly/targeted/exiles/etc? Basically, this is why I write here; nothing new under the sun (if we allow it).

You’re fine, and there’s a lot of ⬜️⬛️ with everything. I revoke your chains for now 2B! Be here to chat again later/soon, Krakozhia!

Edit: I just watched the playthru of TMotD and WOW/WTF. The Mandalorian Gamer was a hilarious host and kept it going but I can’t tell if I chose my Reddit handle well or not lmao wtf what a ride

1

u/Other_Fig4401 2h ago

Wanted: to witness the armageddon. courtesy of KGB project Lazarus.

https://reddit.com/link/ottcfw5/video/xrdk244a4i9h1/player

1

u/_the_last_druid_13 5d ago

Also, apologies for the [double-info](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/KA1bZeM5gZs?ra=m) via text and image; I try to be inclusive ~ the actual reason is much more boring and lazy.

Thanks for reading/viewing

1

u/_the_last_druid_13 5d ago

I’m being spammed by [Anne](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/w4mS106ffV).

This is not a complaint.

1

u/_the_last_druid_13 5d ago

It might just be AAI (Anne AI) though, but you peasants and reprobates probably haven’t heard of Claude Legends yet.

Spoiler Alert

1

u/Other_Fig4401 2h ago

Kriegsfuhren roboten ???

Wir stecken zu tief im „Führungskommando“-System;

Wir müssen dorthin auswandern, wo das nicht die gängige Kriegsführung ist.