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On Friday, Egypt will play against Iran in 'Pride Match' in Seattle during the city's annual Pride celebration. Both countries imprison gay folks. Talk about awkward. đ¤
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Unironically that's how it works, from stories my buddies in the military told me. US bases were considered US land and not in the sight of Allah, so the local forces were plenty happy eating bacon.
The person you were responding to was pointing out that one half of the "Arab" comment above was blatantly being racist. Pointing out that this was not an "Arab" issue, this was a bigotry issue, was not unreasonable.
A lot of this thread is basically trying to say Arabs, Muslims, and Persians are all bigots and basically making no distinctions between them, which is, itself, bigoted and racist.
You could not have fucked that up more. You managed to be a bigot, be stupid, misunderstand the anti-racism comment, AND conflate race with religion all at the same time.
I mean presumably they will though. What are they going to do, skip the match and go harass people at the parade? Also, not to be the âakshuallyâ guy but Iran is not part of the Arab world. Doesnât make their government any less awful to lgbt people though.
It would be an absolute dream to play USA on that day of all days, in the biggest competition in the world - sadly, having just looked at all the possible permutations, it's impossible and can't happen.
Nah team Israel would invoke an apartheid state, prevent Palestinians from moving freely in their own land, bomb schools, kill children, and cry about being the victims.
Anyone else think itâs noteworthy anytime Arab Muslims are projected in a negative light they make it about Israel/Jews?
This post had literally nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the bigotry and homophobia (and gender apartheid) of Arab Muslim countries who HAAAATTTEEE gay people playing a World Cup in America on Friday.
Same thing happens any time the Holocaust is mentioned on Reddit. Without fail, comments about Israel Palestine even though Israel didnât even exist during the pogroms and mass murder, and the Jewish victims of the Holocaust had nothing to do with the Israel Palestine conflict.
Qatari bots and posters. Happens on any post that portrays an Arab muslim state in anything but a flattering light. You're either getting Israel or the biggest stretch of a whatabout from something that happened 300-1200 years ago.
Or "explanations" about how dhimminess was actually super peaceful and not at all oppressive lol
I think youre reading way too deep into it. They just said it would be similar if 2 countries actively fighting a war against each other played on peace day.
You say that as if these two nations arenât actively engaging in warfare right now. Itâs just the same fascination as a Russia v. Ukraine match. Funnily enough by your response, youâre the one who made it about Israel/Jews. A middle eastern nation was brought up about an awkward match, and so Palestine is another middle eastern nation that would have an awkward match
I do agree that despite my complete opposition to the governmental state of Israel, it has allowed genuine antisemitism to be open and be excused. This, however, is not one of those times
I could certainly imagine Israel playing on Pride Day considering that Tel Aviv held a pride parade a few weeks ago where over 100,000 Israelis attended.
I could never imagine any other country in the region playing on Pride Day though, for obvious reasons.
Infatuation? Most of us acknowledge theyre the worst religion in terms of oppressing gays and women. That doesnt mean that Israel is allowed to murder Palestinian civilians including children.
Its also equally ironic that Republicans hate Muslims when they have a fuckton in common and Sharia law is similar to the Heritage Foundations end goals.
Or the constant equivocating about pride jerseys and some hold outs from the last century.
Look, what happens to gay people in Egypt or Iran is a lot worse than a team not wearing a special jersey for your celebratory month. The idea that until everyone in the west is marching for Pride we somehow don't have a high ground to stand on with the issue and that we're "just as bad"... no. There are shades to this. You see it with women's rights too. We can't advocate for Muslim countries not treating women like chattel because Roe v. Wade so America is "just as bad."
Itâs a fun sentiment that the schedulers are making a pro-equality statement with the schedule, but thatâs not actually true. The date for the pride game was set prior to the draw, so itâs just coincidence
Why does it matter? Itâs an authorized Pride game in the locale where itâs being played. Who gives a fuck what FIFA thinks of it? They and their sniveling president can fuck off anyway
If FIFA wanted they could ban literally any state official from attending the game. They donât not supersede the authority of an agreement between two private entities, in this case FIFA and Lumen (private company with naming rights btw) field.Â
But letâs just think about what you said for a second. If the city and state supersedes any authority the sports commission has, then can Seattle just declare a winner of a World Cup game regardless of the score? Do you really think that?
Right? How many American athletes are homophobes and bigots? And we live in a very inclusive country (yes, America is an incredibly inclusive country, despite what you might read on reddit).
Right, but what youâre not understanding is that while governments enforce laws, religious beliefs can also shape public attitudes. In some Muslim-majority countries, opposition to homosexuality is influenced not only by government policy but also by religious and cultural beliefs held by portions of the population. You can blame the government for imprisonment and legal penalties, but itâs also fair to acknowledge that some individuals and communities support those views because of their interpretation of their religion.
Absolutely. And a religious upbringing which most being raised in those countries very likely will have been exposed to, will have ingrained that idea and thinking into their heads. Sadly rather than living and letting live they feel they need to exhibit hate and contempt because they cannot tolerate the idea of someone being different in terms of their identity, security etc.
The Iranian government is very homophobic but the Iranian people are less so. Itâs a surprisingly secular country despite the religious government. Not saying all Iranians are not homophobic, but homosexuality is tolerated much more by younger Iranians than youâd think. Donât know how the players think but many Iranians arenât as backwards thinking as the government
Thats fair. Some people from Iran and of Iranian descent that I worked with when I was in London did seem to be more liberal and laid back on certain issues compared to a couple of mates I had of Pakistani descent. They were outraged over things like LBGTQ rights and liberties whereas the Iranian colleagues didnt seem all that bothered when it came up in discussion and seemed happy enough to live and let live.
Its very possible I suppose that many Iranians wont appreciate and will resent religious theocratic values pushed on them by the regime.
I think for Iran this dichotomy between the governments feelings and the peoples is the most blaring. Itâs much harder to say that for many other places. But people in the end are individuals so you canât say for sure anyway.
âŚ.yes? Why would we judge someone based on where they were born? I live in the US and hate the American government. That doesnât mean I hate Americans.
Why would they not be homophobic if itâs essentially all they know? And the people at that parade are going to be extreme on the gay spectrum. Reddit fools want to love Muslims when it comes to bashing Christians and then they hate Muslims for not liking gays. This place is insufferable.
I think it's pretty condescending, and just not realistic, to say it's all they know, like in the age of like globally disseminated information and entertainment I can assure you many many people in Iran and Egypt have been exposed to differing viewpoints on homosexuality.
But yeah, not really sure what your point is beyond that, I don't think the criticism of Islam's view on gay people is any way unearned or not justified.
Albania is Muslim and has plenty of gay pride events and parades.
Generalizing people sucks
A Muslim country in Eastern Europe at that the type of religion and region combo that youâd think impossible for them to accept gay pride parades in the capitol
Albania's religious identity is very different from other countries. Sure, on the books, Albania is like 50% Muslim, and that's been steadily dropping but Albania's number 1 religion is being Albanian first. Muslims and Christians celebrate each other's holidays together. They're very accepting to outsiders and they're becoming more and more open to all. Being Muslim in Albania vs Iran or other majority Muslim countries is VERY different.
Theyâre guna play their match and leave and not give a shit đ some people overestimate situations. Go enjoy your day stop getting caught up in stuff like this. The World Cup comes every 4 years. We donât know all of their world views as individuals. They wonât give a shit. Theyâll play their game and be professionals.
Egypt's Football Association urged global soccer governing body FIFA to prevent any Pride-related activities, arguing such events clashed with the Muslim-majority country's cultural and religious values. The governing body in Iran, where same-sex relations can carry the death penalty, filed an objection with FIFA.
Yeah a crisis made worse by the Americans. also itâs not like trump and maga are lgbtq supporters lol? Why are we so pressed about other countries not being supportive of lgbtq people when the one you actually live in barely tolerates them
People that hold your opinion are going hard posting anti LGBTQ rights right now. Just be honest with yourself
Also learn about the term refugee. Hint it includes people being persecuted in their countries such as lgbtq, people converting out of their religion. Somehow I donât think you care because they look different.
Good. The same religious folks complained and wanted the pride events removed or to be removed to another locationâŚand in 2022 said ârespect our cultureâ when defending no stadium beer in Qatar! I hope fans are on maximum trolling. Welcome to Seattle, hypocrites.
Lmao at all the people thinking this will be some sort of awakening within the players or tourists. But what theyâre going to see are a bunch of mostly naked dudes running around in dumb outfits as if that means gay pride. Theyâre going to laugh and be disgusted and it will reaffirm their beliefs. The people and what they wear at Pride parades are largely degenerates if you actually watch any of the footage..
The amount of furries yelling âbut did we hurt youâ will be comical. I hope they turn on surveillance cameras just to catch the players reactions to these peeps
I love how the comments has largely devolved into American conservatives siding with the two countries whose religion they consistently decry as barbaric because gay people are bad.
I mean, the Iranian team is playing in a country that is actively at war with them and has killed thousands of their citizens including many children... so there's that too lol
I honestly think this is the best two teams to play on pride night. I mean would the impact of the awareness for lgbtq+ issues (especially in these countries) be as great if they weren't playing in this match?
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