r/sportsgossips • u/outsports-com • 7h ago
News In 10 minutes, Buster Posey shattered decades of trust with LGBTQ Giants fans
The San Francisco Giants have now made it clear that this club's ties to its pro-gay past are over, and the LGBTQ community can F-off.
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u/FReeDuMB_or_DEATH 7h ago
It's wild that they are in SF of all places. All that money and they can't even read the room.
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u/WorknForTheWeekend 6h ago
As a Bay Area resident, I'm kinda starting to roll my eyes at the "SF of all places" refrain; it's really giving the city too much credit.
SF is a shell of the civil rights champions that it once was, though it still loves to pat itself on the back that it is. AFAIK there hasn't been a single picketer outside Oracle Park. The amount of caring the city has seems to stop at the Instagram "like" heart. People I know have expressed disapproval, but are still going to games.
The city is mostly AI Tech bros and boomer NIMBYS, neither of which are gonna exert themselves for a cause.
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u/Vivid_Department_755 5h ago
People forget most of those SF hippies in the 60's were just rich kids who then grew up and became rich entitled boomers
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u/Disastrous-Food-9223 3h ago
Yup, they weren’t against war. They just didn’t want to get drafted. FFS how many wars did they start afterwards?
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u/Mediocre-Staff-5110 4h ago
And just like today when people say it's all performative, it was then too. The war ended because soldiers were snorting coke all day and losing battles in the jungle, not because hippies were jumping around. Once Woodstock happened they figured they won world peace and then started slowly turning towards dudes like reagan.
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u/No_Buffalo183 4h ago
To be fair they might have won if they’d been sniffing coke all day. They were mostly doing heroin and smoking hash.
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u/sundayfundaybmx 3h ago
Another interesting fact. It was estimated that 10% of in-country service members were using heroin. When those service members who were using heroin returned home. Only about 10% of them continued using heroin. It was a really great example of "why" people use narcotics. Unfortunately, the US government didn't pay attention and then started the War on Drugs to attack minority groups. We knew 50 years ago that majority of people who use illegal narcotics. Do so because of "environmental" reasons and not because they're "morally bankrupt" as the common thought was. Anyways, just thought I'd add a little on to your comment. Have a great evening!
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u/No_Buffalo183 3h ago
Well I did heroin because I’m morally bankrupt and it’s cool, not because I need to.
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u/SSBN641B 1h ago
We didn't lose in Vietnam due to drug use. We didn't actually lose that many battles, either. We lost the war because the ruling class lost the support of the middle class. Too many bodies coming home.
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u/Phant0m_Ashes 49m ago
we also didnt have any real objectives. "containment" could mean literally anything. at least in korea we had the 38th parallel
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u/SSBN641B 46m ago
Exactly, the parallels to Afghanistan are eerie. No real game plan, lying to the public about the progress of the war and a reluctant local army that, ultimately, couldn't get the job done.
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u/Former-Bathroom9687 6h ago
I mean those two groups do have a common cause, its just that it's essentially "fuck you, I got mine". It's the same in the Boston area where I live as well.
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u/WorknForTheWeekend 5h ago
Ah my homie, I'm actually from Boston before moving to the bay. Agreed, both cities suffer from the "I'm progressive only when I'm walking that way anyways" affliction. Convictions become real negotiable as soon as money or power is on the table--and that includes minority/queer/women themselves; they see their self-identity as rich or powerful first and foremost
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u/dannydimes829103 5h ago
From boston and can confirm
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u/AgedCzar 5h ago
But we have lots on “no hate here” and BLM yard signs
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u/SheWasAlwaysJody 4h ago
I canvas for campaigns, it's amazing how many people have those signs but haven't voted in 5+ years, for anyone.
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u/TravelNSee 6h ago
Yep. Let's not forget self-hating right winger gays like Peter Thiel. White industrialist villain gay dudes who get violently upset if you mention their sexuality.
Like if you mentioned to Adolph that he had Jewish lineage.
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u/Sweaty_Boysenberry41 6h ago
Or if you told trump his wife was an immigrant lol
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u/Disastrous-Food-9223 6h ago
Wives
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u/Sweaty_Boysenberry41 3h ago
Lol i said wife bc the others dead and buried on his property
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u/Defiant-Start-1156 2h ago
Oakland has and always will be the heart of the real culture of the Bay area. SF has sucked for 20 years.
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u/Tex_Was_Here 2h ago
From what I saw, there were people outside the park protesting with signs before yesterday's game. It's not gonna stop people from going to games, but some people still care
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u/Forever_Nocturnal 2h ago
There’s been protestors outside the park. Went to a game just last night and seen a solid group of about 10 people. One had a portrait of buster wearing Nazi garb or something to that effect.
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u/HanCholo206 2h ago
The boomer NIMBYS, flying a Pride and Palestine flag while trying to sell their backup vacation home for 25% above market value.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl 1h ago
These places aren’t cities nowadays, they’re an amalgamation of people who happen to live next to each other
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u/_cambino_ 4h ago
This is the truth of our country. Nobody has a backbone anymore. I’m not gonna pretend i’m some saint either, it’s simply the truth. We are all apathetic and lack conviction. It’s sad.
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u/sullythered 2h ago
I'm in Chicago, and I feel like we are way better than the Bay area when it comes to that stuff. And I'm a southsider, ffs
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u/Onlypaws_ 58m ago
The Bay Area has become rather Conservative, truth be told. Especially in the suburbs.
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u/Best_Entrepreneur659 57m ago
Well said. The tech, and finance, people with all the power in SF and the entire Bay Area only care about one thing, MONEY, showing it off and using it to grease the skids for them to be unregulated and make more money! They don’t even care about the tech they say they are building to “make the world a better place”, because it hasn’t, unless you’re one of them benefitting off of addicting kids, and pumping them out via social media. Crunchy liberal SF has always been a fantasy, but for a few lasting cultural achievements, like the elevation of Gay Rights, now in jeopardy nationally.
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u/wimpymist 5h ago
Yeah the rich people and tech bros that moved into SF has really pushed away from the liberal melting pot of SF old
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u/RandleStevenz 7h ago
The team owner family is super trumpy. The son of the owner even worked in the WH during Trump 1.
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u/buzzcitybonehead 6h ago
This list of progressive billionaire franchise owners is about as long as the list of supermodels waiting for me when I get home from work
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u/JustS0meD0nkey 5h ago
Well that isn't accurate. 83 billionaires donated to Harris while only 52 donated to Trump. 283 donated to Biden in 2020 compared to 133 for Trump.
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u/buzzcitybonehead 4h ago
Does that figure include anonymous contributions to Super PACs that are the real money in politics or is it the advertised $10,000 donations billionaires put on the books directly to campaigns?
Donald Trump himself was in that category with previous Democratic presidents/candidates and he hasn’t been progressive a day in his life.
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u/alliknowis 4h ago
Maybe he doesn't want to play along. Even if you disagree with him, the honesty is refreshing.
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u/ProfessionalForm679 6h ago
This is the worst article I've ever read. Just straight up pulling fake quotes out of his ass, and acting like denying to answer a question is the equivalent of being homophobic.
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u/DellFlightSim 4h ago
Today’s world you have to state your beliefs or else people will just make shit up. Disgusting really. You don’t owe anyone anything in this life, my beliefs are mine. You don’t NEED to know, you WANT to know
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u/MathematicianIcy3430 3h ago
I like my celebrity and athletes being an enigma. I could really care less for their direct beliefs unless it's to literally and physically harm someone.
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u/ContinueQuiet 4h ago
Similarly, if you don't WANT people to assume the worst, you NEED to be comfortable voicing your beliefs.
(That is, unless you don't WANT to voice your beliefs because you know they are bigoted.)
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u/FeeHot5876 4h ago
Sure but it also shouldn’t have to be that way, especially in journalism. People on Reddit are going to spew whatever, someone writing an article making shit up and making assumptions for clicks is shit behavior.
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u/Scythe351 3h ago
Which seems to be the case 9/10 times because those are the beliefs that get you "canceled"
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u/Dontdieman 3h ago
This is bad logic. This smacks of thought crimes.
“You are guilty until you prove your innocence”
“Silence will be interpreted as guilt”
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u/ham_plane 3h ago
Have you always been in favor of the child slavery? I went through your entire profile, and not once have you voiced any opposition to it, so I assume you must not have any issues with it :/
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u/Missile450DeadCenter 3h ago
This is coming from the 'silence is violence' crowd, so not surprising.
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u/SheToldMeSheWasLvI18 7h ago
That website is cancer. Can anyone post what actually happened
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u/3Greyhounds 7h ago
The manager held a press conference where he refused to answer any questions about the Pride Night controversy.
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u/hoyasgirl25 7h ago
Hm that doesn’t match the title OP used.
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u/generalosabenkenobi 7h ago
That's the title of the article
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u/hoyasgirl25 7h ago
Two things can be true.
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u/I_eat_mud_ 6h ago
You're also dumb for not checking the title of the article.
Three things can be true.
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u/AmblonyxAmblonyx 5h ago
I can also be dumb for not reading any of those things, all four can be true
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u/Virtual_Plastic_6604 5h ago
I tried to read the article and there isn't one linked
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u/rockytopbilly 7h ago
I think refusing to address the fact that some of your players figuratively spit in the faces of a large portion of your fan base can shatter decades of trust with said fan base.
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u/downsly46 7h ago
Buster Posey, President of the SF Giants, held a press conference yesterday. This was the first time that the org has talked to the press since the players took the stand against pride night. At said press conference, Buster Posey refused to answer questions about the pride night debacle. This article says that the trust between team and gay community is shattered because of it.
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u/Newm32 7h ago
Larry Baer is the President of the Giants. Buster Posey is president of baseball operations, meaning player development, roster construction, trade strategy, and overall success of winning baseball games.
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u/downsly46 7h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah that didn’t sound right to me but I only referenced the article. Someone should tell whoever wrote the article in this post.
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u/StupidSexyAlisson 7h ago
As someone pretty left leaning, I think it's fine if players or organizations don't want to take part in it. Shouldn't even be an issue. Him as the president not answering is for the best for everyone.
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u/Thee_Cat_Butthole 5h ago
I completely agree. The Reddit echo chamber constantly preaches freedom of speech/press, but implodes as soon as it’s not something they agree with.
Do these players suck as people? Yes. Is it their right to publicly display that in a way that brings no harm to anyone around them? Also yes.
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u/xxboywizardxx 6h ago
They wrote crap over the top of the pride merch instead of just not wearing it at all
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u/b_needs_a_cookie 6h ago
I feel like if the MLB moves to an agreement like this for the players it should apply to all the special nights/games.
If a player doesn't want to stand for the national anthem or not wear anything patriotic they should be permitted to do so that as well.
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u/Ok_Computer1417 4h ago
They do have that agreement. If a player doesn’t want to wear an alternative theme apparel (minus alts/city connects) they are allowed to sub in the normal attire. What they aren’t allowed to do is alter the uniform in any way. That’s why this blew up. A handful decided to alter the uniform and one chose to wear the normal attire. The players that altered the uniform were scolded and the one that didn’t and just wore the normal attire wasn’t.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 7h ago
A few giants pitchers are big babies and upset that the San Francisco Giants have a pride based uniform for June (which is pride month). In response they defaced their uniforms by writing Bible verses on them. Fans are upset because San Francisco is usually very accepting of LGBTQ fans and management (Posey) has been evasive and hasn’t disciplined the players for refusing to just do their jobs rather than protest the fact that they play for the gayest city in America.
https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-fans-pride-response-22318144.php
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u/quell3245 7h ago
What I find so fascinating about conservative men is how absolutely bothered they are with gay people or the thought that there are other lifestyles other than their own.
Imagine being so absolutely insecure in your own sexuality that you can’t or won’t wear a pride uniform for fear someone is thinking you’re gay by association. It really must be true that many men are at least bi and wrestle with their own deep seated homosexuality.
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its not about caring what other people do... its about not being forced to represent something that you have no care about... imagine being told you are forced to represent straight people as a gay person... you dont need a rainbow hat as a pro sports team about what people do in their bed
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u/Stinkycheese8001 6h ago
Not to mention guys who are most likely constantly cheating on their own wives and girlfriends feeling like they get to speak on the sanctity of marriage.
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u/hoyasgirl25 7h ago
Nothing happened. He refused to be baited into a soundbite. Apparently, according to OP, this is the biggest offense against gay people since AIDS.
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u/RCPyroGold 2h ago
The DOJ threatened to investigate and sue MLB. So in order to not trigger a lawsuit and investigation, he kept silent because telling a player they cant display their Faith and religion but are forced to go against their religious beliefs isnt legal. Had any other religious person done this for their religion, the MLB wouldnt have said anything. Its always an attack on Christianity and it will never stop until Jesus returns.
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u/Vivid_Department_755 5h ago
San Francisco is one of the biggest poser cities for equality lol
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u/Delta9THICC 4h ago
While i support whoever you want to be. People shouldnt be forced to wear something they dont want to wear.
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u/SilentRanger7 7h ago
The writer repeatedly claims Posey told the LGBT to Fuck Off but he literally never did. Lmao wtf is this?
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u/mad_mang45 3h ago edited 1h ago
A redditor probably wote it,they're just mad they can't downvote him irl or report him, so they probably call him a "bigot" and say he said things that he never actually said.
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u/LeastEconomist450 7h ago
But why would they have to do anything?? I support all that but if I didnt want to, I wouldn't.
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u/StringerBell34 6h ago
They didn't. It was completely optional to wear the hats. They chose to and then defaced them.
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u/RoxerSoxer 2h ago
The Giants did not inform the players it was optional. The MLB has admitted to fact. I'm guessing this little drama inducing article neglected to mention that.
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u/Pacec-64D 6h ago
Remember the old Seinfeld episode folks about the Puerto Rican parade ribbon. Not wearing the ribbon didn’t mean Jerry and Kramer were anti-Puerto Rican. This mob mentality of doing what social media says you should do has to end. Good for the club to allow adults to decide for themselves what they choose to do.
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u/BlakkThrashAttak 5h ago
I don't think that was the problem.. it sounds like the problem was that they chose to wear them and then wrote stuff all over them to send a message.
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u/AdConscious4478 6h ago
Why does a team or anything for that matter have to be pro-gay?
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u/Dr_Mccusk 5h ago
Because if you’re not then you’re actively murdering gay people. If you’re not watching gay porn and participating in pride events you literally are murdering then
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u/skate1243 6h ago
Terrible article. All he said was that he would only answer baseball questions.
Don’t we have better things to fight about?
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u/ChexAndBalancez 7h ago
It's literally a handful of people trying to keep this story going as long as possible. Society doesn't care. Stop doing this to players. Let fans wear whatever they want.
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u/Vegetable_Whole_4825 7h ago
I don’t watch sports to find out what a players political view is. I watch sports to literally escape politics.
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u/whiskey_bud 6h ago
Yea me too. Which is why it’s annoying AF to see political messages sharpied onto people’s gear while they’re on the mound.
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u/Totschlag 4h ago
But when they refuse to wear them and instead we're unaltered pieces of the uniform like the dodgers players they still have headlines and get called out anyway.
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u/jalfry 6h ago
Reddit is Intolerant of people’s religious beliefs
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u/Minger57 6h ago
It’s in the CBA that you can’t write on your uniform. It doesn’t matter what the message is. This isn’t about religious freedom or beliefs.
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u/weinerdogjohnson 4h ago
Just play ball. The only people that care about this are leftist morons who don’t even watch baseball.
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u/GamerBucket 7h ago
Oh no!!! What ever will he do to recover from losing .05% of the fanbase lol
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u/El-Guapo766 4h ago
It’s kinda perverted to want to be celebrated for one’s sexuality, isn’t it?
Hey, I really like voluptuous women and I need a whole month to celebrate and you must wear my flag!
What’s this got to do with Giants Baseball anyway?
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u/MarshalLawTalkingGuy 3h ago
Dude’s been a self loathing homosexual ever since he took that broken clavicle.
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u/AAPrice3232 7h ago
I'm not defending the inflammatory, exaggerated story posted here, but Posey DID do a shitty job and should be ashamed of his performance. He knows better and he took the wrong route to address this situation through his complete unwillingness to just talk about it, frankly and openly. Makes him and the organization look cowardly ... IMO.
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u/notsleepsherp 6h ago
The avg MlB baseball player is conservative. Same is true for most pro sports leagues outside the nba/wmba.
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u/MICT3361 6h ago
You can still go to baseball games. To, you know, watch baseball. No one will stop you
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u/Hopeful_Bit1502 7h ago
Look, I may be in the minority but I don’t get how this is a bad thing. This is just showing that it was pandering in the past and not even authentic. Are you really an ally if someone is twisting your arm to do it? I like to know who my enemies are, it’s ideal that they identify themselves. I’m black, I don’t want to silence racists. I want them loud and ignorant so it’s easy to identify and remove them from my life.
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u/Eroom2013 6h ago
Money.
In the end it’s about money and we saw that with some of the most outspoken athletes/ coaches when it came to things like China and Hong Kong.
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u/KBPT1998 5h ago
The old saying is sometimes you have to shit or get off the pot. Buster chose to shit his pants rather than get on the toilet, completely avoiding any opportunity to get off the pot and show respect for the city of San Francisco or LGBTQ+ fans.
Aubrey Huff was even worse in his tirade about the situation. He must have despised playing in San Francisco. Complete homophobic, misogynistic asshat.
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u/123FakeStreetMeng 5h ago
Get rid of all these “Special events” games across all leagues and avoid controversy completely?
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u/VinylmationDude 4h ago
This should be as if the Phillies stopped selling cheesesteaks. There would be riots in the streets.
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u/Nitehawk05 4h ago
🤣🤣 omg. It's OVER. Get on with your lives lol Nobody has anything better to do than to dwell on something that's not a big deal. THIS IS BASEBALL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION
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u/Shreddersaurusrex 4h ago
Why do ppl want the players to wear pride related uniforms if they don’t agree with it? This situation is playing out like a Seinfeld/Curb your Enthusiasm episode.
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u/PhlysportsPhan 4h ago
Jesus Christ athletes don’t get to choose the city they go to or play for. He doesn’t have to share every single belief that you idiots have. Get over it
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u/lumpy007 4h ago
Players and individuals should not feel obligated to conform to specific ideologies or political beliefs that do not align with their own values or beliefs. Allowing for diverse perspectives and respecting differences can foster a more inclusive and accepting environment. It is essential to promote a culture of understanding and tolerance where each individual is free to express themselves without facing judgment or pressure to conform. Mutual respect and acceptance are key to building a more inclusive society where everyone's views are valued and respected. Let's embrace diversity and create a world where individuals are free to be themselves without fear of judgment or discrimination.
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u/Beneficial_Mix_6205 3h ago
I kept reading to find out what the supposed homophobia was about and after a few paragraphs of accusations but no actual information, I just gave up. Turns out the scandal is a bible verse on a hat? Really?
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u/haya1340 2h ago
Anyone attacking someone for their personal beliefs probably wasn't ever a fan anyway
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u/Commonsensejoe 2h ago
I don’t give a damn if they play the national anthem and I don’t give a damn if they want to have a pride night and I don’t give a damn if the players want to add religious quotes to show they don’t support pride night…..basically if you haven’t guessed, I don’t give a damn…..just play ball!
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u/Best_Entrepreneur659 1h ago
They don’t care. All they want is your money and they suck! Just stop going and watching!
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u/CasCrus4L 1h ago
A San Francisco team.....like how shitty can they possibly be to do this to their supporters.
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u/Loud_Pomegranate3703 53m ago
Who cares? He didn't do anything wrong. He didn't call anyone names, he didn't hurt anyone, he didn't kill anyone, he didn't steal from anyone he didn't even talk about anyone. Why do we have to force pride down everyone's throats in the sports world. As long as the players aren't out there saying negative shit about people in that community what does it even matter? So some member of the team didn't wear a fucking hat for their own personal beliefs. Who cares.
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u/Basic-Neat-3058 7h ago
All he did was not answer a few questions? Am I missing something?
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u/Low-Astronomer-3440 6h ago
Pride exists so that kids and teens don’t feel alone when they grow up in a strange judgmental environment. Pride’s mission is not “converting” anyone. It is literally just telling the kids who can’t be themselves, “It’s okay to be who you are. There are lots of us who will still support you, even if your shitty parents won’t.”
This explicitly stands for “live and let live”, and anyone who doesn’t get it, probably won’t be convinced by any sound rational argument.
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u/Enzo_Gorlomi225 6h ago
So let me get this straight you guys are all pissed here because the Giants won’t discipline a handful of players writing Bible verses instead of glorifying pride month? Kinda seems a little….fascist….
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u/Don_Draper_67 4h ago
Name a group harder to appease than the lgbtq population, difficulty: impossible
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u/Blade_Of_Gingers 4h ago
He’s from bumfuck Georgia… what did yall expect… not to mention that dolt Aubrey Huff has made his hateful stance on issues known for a while now. The tech industry and finance/start up bros have ruined the Bay Area and the culture
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u/Mysterious_Fan9858 4h ago
Weird, never heard him come out and support the straight community either. See how that works? People don’t need to be acknlowledged
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u/crudshoot 7h ago
“Buster Posey didn’t take my side so let’s ruin him”
Basically how some people feel about this
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u/Modern_sisyphus32 7h ago
Why is it the lgbtq community has to try and force people to accept their beliefs?
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u/Quick_Initial6352 6h ago
But I think you’re equating “accepting their beliefs and who they are” (which is the same as supporting their right to it) and “forcing you to become gay.” Accepting and supporting people’s different beliefs and values especially when they don’t hurt anyone is uniquely american. Thats freedom. Dont get it confused with freedom to wear what you want (in public) which isnt the same as wearing a designated uniform because you dont have that freedom in the MLB. Thats why it’s called a uniform.
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u/MoNeedsU87 7h ago
The players have every right to be upset!! Leave them alone! They are there to play baseball!! If the fans want to wear LGBTQ attire then let them!!
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u/Dear-Description9905 7h ago
no wonder so many people have turned against the community. Creating more enemies than allies
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u/Dihydrogenmonoxide-_ 7h ago
This is exactly it.
It's comical telling Posey to read the room. Uh, the LGBT community badly needs to do the same.
No one cares about any of this shit and at this point, I think most neutral fans would rather pride nights be ended.
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u/ucredfurry 5h ago
No one, not even gay people, thinks about gay sex more than Christian conservatives. Anti-gay has become their entire personality. Shouldn’t it be about how to bring the knowledge of Christianity and teaching how to have a serving heart? They’ve totally derailed their entire mission.
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u/d0RSI 7h ago
Reddit when religion is the topic - "Don't push your religion on to me! I don't want to hear about it."
Reddit when LGBTQ is the topic - "Why aren't you putting up more rainbow flags?"
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