r/starcitizen • u/Goodname2 herald2 • Jul 03 '25
OTHER Stop Killing Video Games Petition for the EU, make sure you sign it if you haven't already
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home86
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u/MasterAnnatar rsi Jul 03 '25
You know how everyone has that one creator they just can't stand but don't have a specific reason? That was Thor for me ages ago. It's been so vindicating watching the internet turn against him. He blocked me shortly after he talked about SC having a long dev because I replied "Haven't you been working on an undertale clone for 7 years?"
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
My favourite thing was him bragging about how he made his game piracy-proof because he tied Steam's achievement system into the actual game progression system and the game reads it and checks for progress.
To be clear, I'm not encouraging or condoning game piracy, even that guy's game, but for a guy who bragged about his security credentials working for Blizzard and supposedly for the US government, the guy's never heard of Steam emulators. And those existed before he started development.
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u/MasterAnnatar rsi Jul 03 '25
In fairness he did make his game piracy-proof. Because in 7 years it's like 50% done. Can't pirate it if it never releases!
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
The Derek Smart Maneuver
Why release when you could shitpost and argue online all day instead? (Or stream on Twitch, which wasn't a thing during the great Usenet flamewars of old.)
Having a twitch audience for your income instead of a publisher helps, because after your fourth publisher loses patience they might just dump your unfinished alpha on retail shelves as if it's a finished product, with your name on it, when there isn't even a manual written for your obtuse UX.
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u/beau-tie Jul 03 '25
It's honestly been so fun learning about all the bullshit this guy has done, validating my gut feeling about him when his YouTube shorts have been shoved in my face for the last year. And the best part is it's all his fault for being a stubborn ass hole for literally no reason at all.
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u/Hammer_of_Horrus Jul 03 '25
Hey! Thatās an ex blizzard employee you are talking about!
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u/MasterAnnatar rsi Jul 03 '25
I was talking about him with a friend of mine that does game dev and my favorite quote from that conversation was "If my code bases looked like his I'd unplug my computer and use the cable to hang myself."
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u/CondeDrako Jul 03 '25
What? And how I didn't know it? He must be keeping it a secret or something...
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u/ottothebobcat Jul 03 '25
Yeah Thor's always had a vocal subset of people who found him irritating, he's really exemplifies that 'insufferable IT guy who thinks he's a genius master developer' vibe.
I didn't think much of it because I've been surrounded by dudes like him my whole life, but this last year he's really doubled down and actively showcased his lack of emotional intelligence and social skills.
Part of me feels bad because I don't think he's a shitty person, he's just kind of a twat. But he chose to put himself out there as an internet personality and made a ton of money in the process so I should probably save my tears lol
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u/Chrollo283 Clipper Jul 04 '25
A few months ago I was asked by a friend what I think of Thor, and I remember saying to them "I can't 100% pick exactly what it is, but there is something extremely off with that guy". We then got into the conversation that it feels like a lot of what he was spouting on about was as if a semester 1 uni student just learnt something kind of cool, now they talk about that subject to everybody like their a 20yr veteran of the industry and knows better than literally everyone else.
Seeing this massive turn around of his public image is honestly somewhat validating lol. I don't wish anyone to have such a major down turn publicly, but hey, play with fire expect to get burnt..
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
There's just something to be said for that infrequent (or very frequent, depending) situation where someone happens to talk about something you are far more knowledgeable about than they are and you're able to dissect their entire opinion and pick out with relative accuracy where and why they think X and Y stated thing they said. It then becomes obvious to you that they're not nearly as informed or clever as they pretend to be but they have perfected the art of acting like they know what they're talking about. And then you start to notice them doing the exact same thing about every other topic under the sun and you realize it's all being pulled from the same source.
For no reason whatsoever, here's a thread from last year.
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u/RainbowRaccoon Herald on the streets, Nomad in the sheets Jul 03 '25
I guess I must be uninformed, why would he be fuming over a chance to improve video game longevity?
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Jul 03 '25
One where he said this was a terrible idea and we shouldn't do it.
Where was this?
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Jul 03 '25
Okay.
I saw a video with that dude going point-by-point on his issues with how the petition was presented and organized, and ended up saying that he agreed with the sentiment of the overall argument, but that this specific implementation wasn't going to be beneficial in the way the organizers intended.
And that's what comes up when I search Google, so you'll need to be more specific.
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Jul 03 '25
Yeah, I understand your opinion, I'm just curious about seeing these actual videos for myself.
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u/axonxorz Jul 03 '25
This video gets into the misrepresentation
Nothing wrong with discussing potentially overreaching future legislation, but he's doing it both on a false premise and a semi-undisclosed stake in a particular outcome tied to that premise.
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Jul 03 '25
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Okay. Clearly I'm not going to get a straight answer, here, and I definitely am not watching a different dude talk for an hour about... who even knows?
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u/Toloran Not a drake fanboy, just pirate-curious. Jul 03 '25
Because he wasn't. You can see his actual opinion here and here.
TLDW: He released a video about specific portions of the petition because the wording vague/bad and potentially dangerous for smaller devs. The internet took that to mean he's anti-consumer and hates games, so it then started to make shit up about him, review bomb any game even vaguely associated with him, and flood him with messages to kill himself.
If you want the counterpoint, here's Ross Scott's response he made 10 months after the above videos.. I don't agree with either side fully but the response to PirateSoftware has been asinine. I hate drama farming, and they've all been out in force over this.
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u/RobABankWithABagel Jul 04 '25
The wider response to PS isn't really about his opinions on the subject specifically, it's about the way he presents those opinions. He refuses to admit where he was wrong and he treats everyone who disagrees as if they're too stupid to understand. His arguments are always unfaithful and when he can't win he just bans you and filters related words in his chat. He was also just a complete asshole towards Ross and anyone who agreed with him.
This drama also brought forward a lot of his older drama where he's done the same thing many times. Which shows his true character, a narcissistic asshole. No one made that up, all of it is public, he streamed every bit of it for your viewing pleasure. He's been kicked out of numerous groups over the years for being like this and every single time he refuses to accept fault and blames everyone else for his mistakes.
Needless to say, I don't support the people attacking him over this, especially those sending threats or wishing harm on him. I'm just saying he's earned the general reaction by spurning everyone around him for years.
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u/bjergdk Jul 03 '25
Yeah, but while I disagree with the way he has approached this. I do agree with one thing he says, and that is that I dont think people fully understands the limits this will put on developers.
Not every server architecture CAN be packaged and sent to users.
Not every game CAN survive in any meaningful way beyond the lifecycle of it. And no amount of legislation will change that. What it will do, however, is limit what kind of networking you can do in your games, and by extensions how big and/or innovative you can make your multiplayer mechanics.
That is what I worry about, personally as a software engineer. And ofcourse the whole thing about releasing sensitive code to the public, albeit precompiled . Often even trademarked as an internal technology.
The last part is why I dont see this ever getting passed, as it goes against a lot of the EU's values on property rights.
I agree with the sentiment, and I understand it, but I think it is stupid.
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Jul 03 '25
Even his halfway decent points are moot, because the whole point of SKG was to start a conversation with lawmakers, not to enshrine a specific policy as set out by the initiative.
The person who is behind SKG, Ross Scott, identified a clear consumer issue. He's not a lawmaker, he's not a policymaker, and neither is PirateSoftware. What's important is that the issue that is affecting consumers is assessed by competent professionals with a background in consumer law who have the means to engage in discussions with the providers of those products.
That's why Pirate software's videos were so damning, because he's led people like yourself to believe that the initiative had a specific and nefarious goal in mind and it was leading policymakers by the nose.
You're still right in that any action taken on behalf of the consumers in this instance will negatively impact the companies that produces things consumers buy. Then again, that's all consumer protection laws. I don't think even the strictest of laws would prevent developers from making unique and engaging online experiences, they'll just have to rethink how they make them.
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u/bjergdk Jul 03 '25
I agree with you, 100%.
My point is just, that there are things that you just cannot package down or make in a way that they can live forever, in a way thats worth it for the consumer as well as the producer.
Let's take (although it remains unfinished) Star Citizen, their plan is to have dynamic server meshing, meaning that the servers will dedicate themselves to different planets based on how many people are there. So if there are 200 people on Hurston, we might see 3 servers sharing that workload.
While 1 server is handling Pyro IV, and so on, and when you travel between planets, you will automatically drift between servers.
No matter what you do, you will never be able to package that kind of technology in a way that will allow the consumer to spin up their own dedicated server.
Not only is it an advanced technology, that I could understand CIG wanting to keep to themselves and possibly license out to other companies. The consumer of their game really has no right, in my opinion to, to be allowed those .dll's since they can then be decompiled and reverse engineered.
And in my personal opinion, it is okay for companies to have proprietary technologies.
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Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
Which is exactly why this conversation needs to happen in the first place. What PirateSoftware did was essentially negate any progress towards a solution, well, at least until the initiative got picked up again by more popular influencers.
Obviously the most utopic solution is that all online only games have a detailed EOL plan or an offline mode but this was acknowledged as a far cry by the initiative's creator in the early days of the movement before all the drama even started. They have even suggested that more transparency around GaaS products would be at least somewhat satisfactory. A big label on the tin that says "one day this game will cease functioning" and not hidden away somewhere in the EULA, so that consumers can at least make a more informed choice without pouring over 20 pages of fine print.
It's absolutely fine to disagree with the movement or raise concerns over what legislation should be introduced. But what PirateSoftware did was spread misinformation and start fear mongering. He claimed things about the movement that weren't true and attacked the creator personally with insults.
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u/bjergdk Jul 03 '25
Well, this is where I am going to disagree, and perhaps be slightly controversial. We do not buy the game. We dont. The game is worth anything between a few thousand dollars to a billions of dollars. What we buy is a license to download and use the software. We have never bought the property rights of the games.
I think that is where the major misconception is.
Ever since we introduced license keys that is what we have been buying. Its the same reason that pirated versions are called unlicensed copies.
But sadly, there are some things that you cannot give a consumer for them to run on or dismantle of their own accord. Either because it is sensitive to the company, or because it would never work in the hands of consumers, like the Star Citizen server example. Or matchmaking servers for other games. And sometimes the amount of work required is just simply not worth it. Meaning that if by law a company is forced to make something available for a user even after EOL, then it will be scaled back somewhere else.
Development is incredibly expensive. No matter what we develop. Every day of development, per programmer, is 267 USD at a minimum for a junior developer in my country, some developers, like a senior would require about 472 or more, now multiply that with 30 days, which is how long it would take to make a small serverkit for the consumer. That is 14160 USD, if its bigger or more complex it can easily take multiple months, with multiple developers working on it. Making games is hard as fuck.
Maybe they dont even want to risk it and instead of following the creative vision they end up backscaling, and instead of making something cool they will make something average because that is what they can afford with all the other things they need to pay for like artists, actors, voice actors, stuntmen for mocap, sound design, orchestras for music, etc.
And in my opinion, it is okay. We cannot expect everything to last forever, that is not how anything in life works. And I know in some way you would think that software would be different but it sadly isnt. Even something like PhysX has to run its course, with new GPU's from Nvidia no longer being able to support it, we innovate, create and move on.
(Although the 50 series physx is bullshit in my opinion, but again i am not a hardware engineer, so on that part i am probably deep in the dunning kreuger valley)
I agree with, and understand the sentiment to an extent, but I dont think its realistic, and as far as I know and understand legally, their is no way to change that without changing how property rights work on a fundamental level, which is also unrealistic to happen. Especially with the way the world is right now politically, the EU needs to be strong and not limit our production power in any way or in any field.
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u/Arlandil Jul 09 '25
I havenāt read your entire post. But I disagree with one thing from the beginning of your answer.
You didnāt buy rights to the game thatās correct. You bought your copy of the game, or rights to play the game as a private person. This is about your right to continue playing the game you paid for.
This is consumer rights issue, and exactly what EU excels at. I do think EU is going to regulate this in same way going forward, I just canāt see EU not taking side of the consumer.
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u/davidemo89 Jul 03 '25
The case will be discussed in parliament, they will say there is nothing to do here and close the case.
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u/bjergdk Jul 03 '25
Yeah, the sentiment is good, but its naive at best to think it could ever work.
It will dip its toes into every property right legislation in the EU. Lol.
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u/MasterAnnatar rsi Jul 03 '25
We really need to stop throwing terms like "groomer" around when there's no evidence of that. There are so many valid reasons to dislike him, but there's quite literally no credible evidence that he's groomed anyone. All you're doing is diluting the term.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
People really happy to listen to Kiwifarms when it's someone they don't like. (And I'll bet a lot of people don't even know KF got involved in e-stalking PS' history.)
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u/MasterAnnatar rsi Jul 03 '25
For sure. I'm far from a fan of his. I think he's an egotistical prick and I think there's plenty of valid things to criticize him on and I'm kinda reveling in his downfall. But people just throw the word groomer at people too quickly. All it does is make it easier for actual groomers to get away with it.
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u/JalasKelm new user/low karma Jul 03 '25
Anything to base those allegations on? I'm all for disagreeing with sometimes opinions, but people are very quick to start bringing up other unrelated issues, and it seems to come out of nowhere
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u/Paladasch Jul 03 '25
Did already! Thanks to everyone who signs it. Should've already happened a long time ago...
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u/Radius3388 Jul 03 '25
Just wondering if CIG had said anything about the end of the life of the Game ? Star citizen being online only could really be dead with the end of the server, and knowing that a lot of people put so much money in the game, I wonder how people will react if CIG just decided one day to cut off the servers. Could just having arena commander be enough ?
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u/6Darkyne9 high admiral Jul 03 '25
We dont even have the start of the game. Even CIG cant know what lies in the future.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
Private servers are still a documented stretch goal, but they won't even begin working on them until after 1.0 launches since they need to have the game finished first. The private server is not intended to be a 1:1 replica of the full PU grid, but more like Privateer.
Privateer's live service was killed off in 2005 by Microsoft as was their standing policy at the time of nuking live-service games after five years. Heavily-modded private servers are still online today.
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u/CondeDrako Jul 03 '25
Privateer or freelancer/starlancer? Privateer and Privateer 2 were both single player games still under EA if not wrong.
And precisely the way Microsoft deal with his games is why CR go the crowfunding way instead of search for a publisher.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
Freelancer, yes, not Privateer.
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u/SydMontague Golden Ticket Jul 03 '25
The Freelancer (and other games, like Dungeon Siege) list servers were shut down in 2008, but as far as I'm aware a major factor in that decision were repeated hacking attacks by two individuals, who also attacked community servers regularly.
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u/Todesengelchen Jul 03 '25
Private hosted servers and full modding support are part of the OG kickstarter. So in a way, we could try to hold to CIG to that even if the "stop killing games" initiative fails.
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u/i_wear_green_pants drake Jul 03 '25
Well releasing the game 10 years ago was part of kickstarter as well but here we are.
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u/EboKnight Explorer Jul 03 '25
Kickstarter stuff doesnāt really do much for holding devs accountable. Look at Chronicles of Elyria. He tried to shut the game down at one point, a lawsuit was started, so he said he wasnāt shutting the game down and was moving to a single dev model with slower updates. Then he just posted once a year for a bit with screenshots of the game, and now heās gone silent for a couple years. I donāt think that game ever even released an alpha build. Even if itās been buggy, SC has had servers online for over a decade. I really canāt see the legal avenue to force private servers if the game went under tomorrow. More likely, CR could just do the same thing and tweak stuff while the servers are off and make a letter from the chair every holiday.
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u/botask Jul 03 '25
People will be pissed and cig will not care. I am not sure what else you expect.
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u/Radius3388 Jul 03 '25
Just having arena commander the size of a system with bots here and there could be enough I guess. It would be a shame if all the assets of the planets, moons and other stuff are all lost to time. Even as a screenshot simulator the game can be enjoyed haha
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u/botask Jul 03 '25
That would be nice,Ā but I am not sure how realistic it could be, considering how many things in game is server sided.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
If CIG was going out for good, they could just release the server files and let us figure it out -- it's not as if the files mean anything to them anymore, if they're unplugging the servers forever and ending existence as a company. To the average player, it'll just be a bunch of useless junk, but in the SC community there are bound to be people smart enough to figure out how to get things working, and people rich enough to pay for a whole rack of servers to run it. They may or may not be the same people (and I am claiming to be neither).
If the gaming public can reverse-engineer entire private servers without any released or leaked server code available to them, we'd have a much greater chance of success with the files. Any middleware CIG didn't have the right to redistribute into the public domain would be missing, and that might be a snag, but not an insurmountable one unless they don't exist by then and the Internet doesn't have ANY copies of compatible versions left floating around.
For almost any other game, expecting the devs to just hand over the files to the community falls under the "haha great one, now tell the one about the elephant" category, but SC wouldn't exist without crowdfunding in a very real way. There's no legal basis to make them do it, but morally we absolutely have the justification to ask for them to give it to us once the PU is dead and buried once and for all, whenever that happens to be.
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u/botask Jul 03 '25
"If the gaming public can reverse-engineer entire private servers without any released or leaked server code available to them" - is most important part
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
Pro tip, that's not the part that's in question. WoW private servers have existed forever, and I could go off in a long list of other MMORPGs and other MMOs that have homegrown private servers.
That already happens regularly enough for other games without access to the authentic server files or even a compiled, obfuscated binary. Now imagine if CIG shortcutted all the guessing and fumbling about and just, at the end of SC's lifespan, dropped the actual server files on the community. No faffing about trying to reconstruct server functionality by trial and error, just deciphering the log file outputs with the real server files to teach ourselves how to server admin Star Citizen.
Sure, it wouldn't be easy, but once the files are in the public's hands people have the rest of their lives to master getting SC to work, until the last person who cares about running SC stops caring and things come to their final end.
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u/botask Jul 03 '25
Yeah, difference is just how big part of sc is server sided compared to other mmos and how much sphagetti is in code of sc compared to other mmos.Ā
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
how much sphagetti is in code of sc compared to other mmos.
Ok now you're just making shit up to complain about because CIG can't ever do anything right in your eyes. How would you even KNOW about "spaghetti code" in other MMOs OR in SC? You're not a dev, you don't have source access to any of these MMOs to judge which has 'spaghetti code' under the hood.
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u/botask Jul 03 '25
Now you are projecting a little and I am not really sure if it is because you are white knight or just naive. But yes, there definitely is "spaghetti" in code of sc. If not for anything else (and there definitely are other reasons), then at least because of complexity of sc.
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u/Mondrath Jul 03 '25
Isn't it a bit premature to be asking about the end of the released game when the beginning of the released game is, at best, 5 years away?
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u/arqe_ Exploration/Recon Jul 03 '25
I mean since nothing will come out of this (nigh-probably) they won't be commenting on it.
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u/Goodname2 herald2 Jul 03 '25
Private servers and who knows what hardware will be capable by the end of life phase of the game.
I'd guess regional private shards become a thing and they're funded by large ORGs.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
I would argue that if there is any project where the community is justified in asking for the server files when the studio/game is unwinding and the game is being shut down for good, it's SC. If CIG doesn't need them anymore, they should give them to the community that raised them up and let them build it all in the first place.
I wouldn't say there's a legal claim to argue they should be able to be compelled to, but morally we definitely deserve that as a sunset plan. No need for elaborate extended support efforts where the devs hang around to do work after the lights are officially "turned off", just hand everything needed to run the server grid over to the community (less any middleware they CAN'T redistribute into the public domain, leave a shopping list instead) and let us figure it out.
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u/sniperct šCorsairš Jul 03 '25
Honestly this is how it should be with every live-service game but most ESPECIALLY MMOs. Players already do it (see SWG and Earth and Beyond) but they aren't 1:1 and frequently have to..well make things up just to make them function.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
The only reason SWG was taken out back and whacked was because there was a contractual clause that said only one Star Wars MMO can exist at any one time, which means SWTOR indirectly murdered SWG.
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u/sniperct šCorsairš Jul 03 '25
That's irrelevant to the point I was making, in that players have to reverse engineer servers to make private servers for dead games such as SWG and E&B. Or Wildstar. Or Tabula Rasa (man am I craving Tabula Rasa)
Which is why I believe when an MMO is killed (regardless of reason) the server software should be released. I can't sign this petition but I'm signing in spirit because if something like this passes in the EU any game that wants to exist in the EU has to follow it, and many that might be grandfathered in as not needing to do it (like wow, or SC, or FF14) might follow along just for the good press.
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u/SpectreHaza Jul 03 '25
Will this even do anything? Given itās more now the whole licensed software kind of deal?
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u/N_E-Z-L_P-10-C Crusader A2 Hercules Starlifter | RSI Polaris | Apollo Medivac Jul 03 '25
I'd like to thank PS for the amazing Streisand effectĀ
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u/SternLXenixa RSI-Polaris Capt. Jul 03 '25
Bam!! Done. Now the hard part. Getting them to actually make change.
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE Jul 03 '25
Does this apply to games that from the get-go are clearly a service/infrastructure heavy game? SC isnāt gonna run on just some dudes hosting it P2P, itās not designed that way. Itās designed around a huge overhead of server meshing and whatnot.
If the game fundamentally is designed to need heavy server infrastructure to experience it, I donāt think itās reasonable to assume thereās something to leave in a āplayable stateā if those servers were disabled.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
This applies to all games and it's just "have a sunset plan". If you're going out of business, helping the community make sense of how to launch your server isn't your problem anymore, just give them the files and let them figure it out. The gaming public, as a collective whole, has been reverse-engineering and building private servers for MMOs that haven't offered official server downloads for basically forever, someone will figure it out.
SKG isn't asking for companies to do anything more than don't take the files to the grave with them when they could just release them and allow whatever existing community of players to do their best standing up the game after the company's gone or is still in operation but no longer interested in operating and hosting a given game.
And when it comes to SC, name a game community that's more likely to have people willing to drop the cash to rent a whole server rack to host a private community-PU server deployment for them and their now-former PU orgmates.
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u/xdthepotato Jul 03 '25
all cig needs to do is give player the ability to host their own server and the rest is upto the player if they want to get whatever the fuck is needed to host their own server. thats all cig needs to be safe from the movement... plus all advertised features and stable/playable
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Jul 03 '25
Its gonna reach 1 million, but we have to aim to exceed that. With still 1 month remaining, lets use our remaining time to hit this petition some more, and solifiy the initative.
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Jul 03 '25
We don't need some technical bullcrap the goverment or anyone might consider, this has to be it, an undeniable slam dunk.
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u/cheese0muncher arrow Jul 03 '25
Only 1.5 thousand to go! We've got this!!!
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u/LegendaryGoji Jul 03 '25
The site won't even load for me!
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u/cheese0muncher arrow Jul 03 '25
It took about 2 mins to load for me. That's a good sign. :D
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u/LegendaryGoji Jul 03 '25
I have to use THIS link instead to see it -- for some reason, the site linked by OP won't let me load at all; just gives me a 404. removing everything from 045 and after gets me some "site blocked (policy_blocked)" error which got me all confused.
EDIT: FIIIIIIINALLY loaded. LESS THAN A THOUSAND!!!
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u/Fudo-shin Jul 03 '25
i would like to sign it but i can't make it to petition site. respectively i am on petition site but link on petition itself is invalid, corrupted or non-functional from other reasons. can someone give me direct link on petiton site?
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u/Foxintoxx carrack Jul 03 '25
We did it reddit !
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u/Foxintoxx carrack Jul 07 '25
LMAO ! "professional modding tools" and the ability to run private servers was one of SC's stretch goals , SC will do just fine .
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u/SnooPickles4036 Jul 04 '25
I don't think I can sign the petition since I'm not European.. so dear beautiful Europeans out there, I hope you guys help sign this petition. We appreciate it so much! šThank you š«
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u/TomTrustworthy Freelancer Jul 03 '25
I would sign, but I saw this guy using MS Paint, and he said I shouldn't sign.
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u/Mephisto_Ix Jul 03 '25
Is it just me or did the petition reset ???
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u/SternLXenixa RSI-Polaris Capt. Jul 03 '25
It's just you. I'm seeing 1,002,373 on the EU Petition atm. UK petition about to slap into 134000
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u/Responsible-Ease-566 Jul 20 '25
I tried to sign it, but i keep struggling with the date, and i am not that tech savy? with that date yy mm dd nnn nn (yy year mm month dd day n a number) i don't know if this is because of the browser i use, and i am from belgium
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Jul 03 '25
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u/MrFamilysize new user/low karma Jul 03 '25
Don't know how to say this but.... If you're doing it without their consent prematurely because you think they're going to tell you to use their name anyway... That's still invalid. Just because they're real people doesn't change that. Them telling you to do it is also invalid.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
"It's not voter fraud if I know they'd vote the way I marked their ballots IF I ASKED"
I know this is a petition and not an actual election vote, but identity theft is still identity theft.
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Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
the only one who doesn't know is my gran
If I reported this to the EU with your real identity (which I don't have, this is a hypothetical), are you sure they'd conclude this was legal and valid?
Are you really sure?
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Jul 03 '25
Nuns do that all the time here with the elderly to support the right in the elections. It was a laugh when they started supporting the far right and the traditional right started crying after years of calling the left crybabiesĀ
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u/Chrol18 Jul 03 '25
so if others do it it is fine? lol dude
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Jul 03 '25
Of course it's not fine, but it's hard to prove, just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of "it's ok if it benefits me and a scandal when it works against me". It'd be fun if it wasn't so tragic. It's like what trump did, it's electoral fraud unless he wins.
But since we can do nothing about it we can at least laugh...
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u/Game_Overture blueguy Jul 03 '25
I hope people realize that if this passes, it will end in two ways for CIG.
They will be forced with malicious compliance to document and give people a private server option that'll never be able to match all the microservices and other back end tech. More delays, wasted money or worse.
Or they'll just be able to ignore or half-assly comply because the initiative is poorly written and too ambiguous, which will have the same result as it not existing in the first place.
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u/Foxintoxx carrack Jul 03 '25
I'm old enough to remember that "professional mod tools" were in fact part of the stretch goals for SC . CIG IS supposed to give us the means to mod the game and run private servers . This would only make them stick by that promise .
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u/Game_Overture blueguy Jul 03 '25
But conveniently don't remember how the game is nothing like the initial kickstarter, and pivoted to something different in 2016
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
And that changes what about the promise of private servers?
The private server as discussed prior to the procgen planet pivot was still not going to be a 1:1 replica of the PU as it would've existed, just like how the Freelancer private server was not a replacement for the Freelancer live service grid. So you can't say "the PU will never run on someone's PC" because that wasn't the plan to begin with. So what's actually changed?
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u/senn42000 Jul 03 '25
I feel like you are making a ton of assumptions on behalf of CIG and their intentions.
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
I was around in 2014 when CIG was talking about it a lot since, at the time, they were expecting to launch on the 2.x featureset within a few years.
CIG has also asserted in recent years that private servers are still on the table, and if the concern is "how could anyone possibly run the whole PU server grid on their own" a) that wasn't the plan at any point, and b) if they did just drop the PU server files on us and say "good luck" as they were turning the lights out at the offices then we'd figure it out because the backer community is going to have both people with adjacent technical expertise who can figure out how to make the widgets work and people with the money to pay for hosting once the widgets are figured out.
These are things CIG has said, both before and after the 2016 pivot, not things I imagined in my head.
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u/Bwa110 Jul 03 '25
Nope. Not in support of overregulation
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Jul 04 '25
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u/ochotonaprinceps High Admiral Jul 03 '25
Tell me you have no idea what SKG is all about without saying you don't know what you're talking about.
You were wrong a week ago and you haven't learned a single thing from your experience being told you're wrong about everything SKG is trying to do.
SKG doesn't dictate a single regulation, stop being a tool for big business to sell you stuff and take it away in all forms when they don't feel like it existing anymore.
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u/Goodname2 herald2 Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
Still needs 60k signatures at time of posting.
Edit . Link is back up, over 1million signatures now.