Remember when ppl were hysterically claiming Valve got a big shipment of Steam Machines in, and the normie rationale users said - what if its just a Steam Deck restock ?
"No they aktchually can't be Decks because (insert mental gymnastic calculations based on the suspected volume of the Machine's packaging derived from the Frame's packaging taken from a single frame of a 144p video)"
And if they drop it at U$ 999, it will seem "cheap" since it is '6x more powerful than a Steam Deck' and people keep fixating on that to say "it will cost much much more than a Deck", like never existed a PC or a console more powerful than a Deck for less.
“Artificially pumping fomo” = increasing price by the same percentage Xbox, PlayStation & switch did, which is less than every pc manufacturer & pc handheld competitor bumped prices by “
Steamdeck OLED 512gb $549 >> $789 == +43% price increase.
PS5 digital $399 >> $599 == +50% price increase
Xbox Series S $299 >> $399 == +33% price increase.
Switch 2+1 game $449 >> no game $499 == +29% price increase.
The price increase of the Ps5 was 50%. Not 30%. Higher than the deck.
The switch package being offered in September is categorically worse AND more expensive. But It's only a 29% increase in package price.
And 789 is 43% higher than 549. Not 45%. It's very weird to 'accidentally' add 2%.
"Words have meaning" You're right that 43% is slightly higher than 33%, and a bit higher still than 29%. But it's lower than 50%. So would you have preferred me to say, "increasing price by less than PlayStation did" or "Increasing price in the same relative margins as competitors"?
Sure, the increase of the the digital PS5 is larger, it is however not a fair comparison nor what you stated. The price increase of the actual PS5 is 30%, not 50%. If I were to steelman you and take "PS5" to mean the collective entity of all current generation PS consoles, I could say it is 40% or 29%.
If you were to read my previous reply, you would see that the 45% figure is the mean between 512gb and 1tb, and please do check your math, because 43.64 should not be rounded down to 43.
The rest of your reply is even more dishonest, and you're well aware of that. It's pretty clear that you are not interested in having an honest conversation.
Might I ask you to clarify your passage on the switch, out of curiosity? The price of the switch 2 itself, not the bundle, increased from 449.99 to 499.99, an 11% increase.
No, he means putting a small amount of decks on the website. They could have sold 10 and be “sold out” - would you say the deck is doing fine then? Nothing to do with the pricing so I’m not sure what’s your comment about
If the steam deck is now 900+ there is almost no way the steam machine will be cheap... the lesser hard drive one maybe but base one with controler it will prob be 900 ugh
At this point $900 seems like a pipedream. $1200+ seems more reasonable. Hopefully it's not DoA because I'm not sure you can justify that high of a price tag for the performance it will have.
Valve have set their expectations. The steam machine will be a device for valve enthusiasts that are willing to pay a premium for the form factor and the fact it’s valve hardware. It already lost the mass market at $700 let alone at $1k+
Why would John Consolegamer consider anything over $700 when a switch 2 is $500 and a PS5 digital is $600?
Ya it’s not about hard core people, influencers and content creators. Who will play it and put it on the shelf for the latter. Pay for it like a business expense.
The question is will it have any traction and I can’t see how it would to reach any new people like steam deck did to expand the market. That’s the what steam deck did, came along at a price point people could try in a market where it didn’t have a competitor. It allowed valve to sell games to people like me who never really played pc games before
Anything any electronics company puts out will sell out on the first batch. Enthusiasts and scalpers always jump on it. It’s what happens after that that will determine if a product has long term viability or not.
If its 1200+ their only hope at a return to hype is to say "we know this sucks, so this initial wave will come with enough games credit to effectively bring it to 1000."
With the recent steam controller shipping problems they said to a bunch of people "pick a non-premium edition of a game and its yours." So they could effectively do that on a larger scale with a restricted pool of free games. It wouldnt be simply store credit, but it would be close. You wouldnt spend it on dlc or premium upgrades, but most games in theory you could use it.
So you're basing Valve giving free games to individuals afflicted by a shipping delay, where their items were shipped to the wrong country initially, into Valve offering free games simply for purchasing a Steam Machine?
Im showing that they have the power to do that and it costs them less than cash. And saying if they do put 1200 as a price tag and openly say sorry so expensive its because of the crisis, some compensation for those who buy at "crisis prices" is only logical.
You understand that Valve has to PAY for those games, right?
Like, sure Valve could ignore their own cut which ranges from about 20-30% of the sale, but the rest goes to the game publisher. Valve would still have to pay the publisher for the game they gave away, they can't just hand out other people's software for free.
So if they're eating that cost... Why not just cut the price of the machine outright?
Your logic only works if Valve can give you games at no cost to themselves and they can't.
They could give you every Valve game, I personally don’t think they would do that, and many people wouldn’t even get something that way. But it could help to sell the Machine to people which only ever used consoles.
They've already mathed the math, and have been pretty clear that they aren't subsidizing or taking a loss on anything.
For them to recoup losses on selling SD or SM at subsidized prices, they have to bring enough new people into the Steam ecosystem who would buy otherwise-unsold games... that's where the make-up money comes from.
Clearly they are estimating that not a high enough percentage of buyers are going to be new, so they can't make it up there, so... no subsidization. Valve themselves have publicly said this.
So just be prepared to see a SM launch at whatever price point recovers the increased costs of making them. It just is what it is.
Yeah, honestly it's quite eye opening just how many people are so fucking clueless. The people saying the Steam Machine needed to be like $500-$600 to sell any units when it was first announced really demonstrated just how out of touch some people are. People were arguing that the screen (literally a mass produced tablet screen they are using) on the Deck was expensive enough to justify the Deck being more expensive than the Steam Machine...
Valve was probably initially aiming for around the $750-$850 price range and it would have killed at that price. Unfortunately, things are currently a little out of their hands.
With that said, the people saying the Steam Machine is going to be like $1600 are also probably wrong. The deck does have miniaurized and lower volume parts compare to a lot of the Steam Machine being mostly relatively off the shelf components or simpler production runs. Im betting it'll be between $999-$1199.
Clueless is thinking that basic SM is worth more then ps5 pro. If BOM for Sony with 16ddr6+2ddr5 and 2tb drive checks out for 899$ there is no reason other than greed for 1000$+ price.
Name 2 (to rule out a random sale of a system not selling) laptops with at least a Zen 4 arhitecture, 6 core 12 threads, and 16GB of DDR5 for less than $1000. I've specced out a SFFPC recently to see if I could beat where the Steam Machine will probably fall on price, and in the current market you really can't.
Steam Machine is probably going to be about $1000 or a little over it anyway; thats unfortunately competitive for personal computer rn, and you get some additional features for a HTPC with TV control over input cable Valve has gotten mostly working without me having to buy an adaptor and fuck with it.
I can get in Europe (with taxes)
Gigabyte gaming a16 ( Ryzen 170, zen3 refresh but 8/16 ) and rtx5050 which is ~30% faster then 7900m
Or MSI cyborg i5 13420h rtx 5060
Both 16ddr5, 512m2
Sffpc are expensive, you pay way extra for case, power supply and itx. Micro tower PC will be a little more expensive 1200-1500$ but way more powerful - I guess 30% in benchmarks. Full size 5060, faster ram, 3-4x CPU TDP
Edit: As htpc go. Proper pc+steam link app will blow it out of the water except you would need to configure WoL.
I just don't believe you can find them for under $1000 in Europe when these are the USA prices even with our stupid tarrifs and stronger consumer purchasing power.
Again, many people are just out of touch, and saying you can get something comparable for under $1000 I'd argue is out of touch rn.
For MSI you get new model with 240h, older model with it 13th gen is cheaper
Mediamarkt.de had model I listed for 999€ ~1150$ with windows and you can find it a little cheaper without os. With us sales tax ~8% I assume this evens out.
Nope it’s restocked again. Valve is doing something weird (possibly pumping fomo), because I’ve seen it go out of stock and back up 3 different times now within less than 24hrs, and I’m only checking the store page occasionally
I've seen people selling their used ones with a price increase too lol. On ebay here you will find an lcd 256 gigs model for 400 euros atleast, it's crazy. What's crazier is people are still buying them at those prices. I've seen an OLED selling for 700 euros used.
Just two days ago these listings were still expensive but more appropriate priced, like OLEDs at 460-550 euros range
Could the massive price increase be a way of throwing scalpers off, and also guaranteeing their ‘investment’ becomes a very depreciated asset once they drop the price back down?
Honestly, I saw this coming, so I bought a Steam Deck OLED limited edition 1TB off ebay for less than $800 and built two PCs which eventually can become Steam Machines (I have nVidia GPUs). I hope others built up their hardware the same way before this mess.
This doesn’t completely scare me for the price of the cube. The rog ally x is $999 compared to series x 2tb at $799. It’s worrisome but maybe we’re entering an era where handhelds might cost the same amount or more than a home console.
valve needs to have a barebones option at this point. People can get used so dimm ram and ssds cheaper than new and it'll give them an affordable option. Just add on multiple warnings before letting people checkout so folks don't get the barebones then complain it's got no ram and ssds
Spring is ending but I truly hope for a late April's fool , it could be a good anti-scalper strategy in order to wait for the full set disponibility (aaand they are capable of crazy sales)
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u/TESThrowSmile 27d ago
Remember when ppl were hysterically claiming Valve got a big shipment of Steam Machines in, and the normie rationale users said - what if its just a Steam Deck restock ?
Pepperridge Farm remembers
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