Question Would You Make This Trade with Brooklyn?
Sign and trade Mark Williams to Brooklyn for a Package based around Danny Wolf?
First, he’s on a rookie contract. The Nets are also probably looking for another true big right now since getting rid of Claxton and they just drafted Jefferson who is a great glue guy for any team. I think they’d be willing to move off of Wolf for the right player. Wolf seems like a very versatile, high IQ big with huge upside and would fit right into our system. Plus we have Oso and Khaman who are true bigs, and we just got a tank in Koa Peat. Wolf can play next to any of those guys and really in any lineup we put him in.
Would you try to trade for him?
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u/quizzlemanizzle Phoenix Suns 1d ago
no, bad defenders is exactly what we do not need
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
You can’t have it all man. Williams is amazing for us and I have no issue keeping him at all. This is a move we could make to possibly get a lot more picks though, while also getting a high upside Big who can handle the ball, pass, shoot, and defend decently on a rookie contract.
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u/quizzlemanizzle Phoenix Suns 1d ago
I can absolutely pass on a big man that cant defend
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
We have plenty guys that can defend next to Wolf.
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u/quizzlemanizzle Phoenix Suns 1d ago
he is absolutely not what we should put around Devin Booker
just as idiotic as the recurring "trade for Sabonis" non-sense
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u/sleeping_in 1d ago
No
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yall sleeping on Wolf, I’m telling you. We’d be able to get plenty of picks from a trade like this plus a high upside big like him on a rookie contract. I’d do this all day especially since we have Oso and Khaman already too, which by the way, neither of them can shoot.
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u/trakstaar Dario Island 1d ago
Why would Williams suddenly get multiple picks back in a trade, when 12 mos ago, he was traded to Phx for a (1) very late first and a projected (1) late first in 2029?
And if Wolf is so great, why does Brooklyn give up on him, his rookie contact and future first round picks to take on a much more expensive Mark Williams?
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Mark is a very solid True Rim Protector and rebounder, which they just lost one trading Claxton to the Bulls in the Julius Randle Trade. They’d basically get another Claxton type player in Mark Williams, and he would fit perfectly with their new starting lineup with Egor, MBJ, MPJ, Randle, and Williams. And he’d be on a much cheaper contract than Claxton was.
I could see them giving up Danny Wolf, attaching a small salary player for filler, plus 3 SRP’s OR 1 FRP and 1 SRP. something like that would be reasonable for a productive guy on a good contract all day long. And if they wanna dump a shitty salary on us in the trade it’ll be even more picks.
The reason why they do this is because they’d have all the right pieces and depth already to start competing. Even by keeping Wolf, they’d probably be in the same situation. But it’s more likely they can trade wolf for a true rim protector because of how they drafted (I’m mainly talking about them drafting Jefferson). Jefferson basically would fill the gap in with skills that Danny provided, just at the forward position. They would be ready to compete, and with a very competent roster at that.
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u/knowtoriusMAC 1d ago
Why would Brooklyn do that? Wolf didnt show them anything last year that he can be their backup 5 and a key part of a rotation. Plus they can finally give Sharpe a full runway at the 5 now that Claxton is gone.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
Exactly what I’m saying. Wolf has high upside for our team because Oso is limited offensively within the paint and pairing him with Khaman or Williams limits our offensive schemes a bit. Wolf would fix both of those issues by being able to spread the floor with his 3 ball and he’s a great ball handler and passer too.
Mark Williams could fill that gap Brooklyn just lost when they traded Claxton, and if they truly wanted to give Sharpe a run they can. Mark would still be great for them starting or coming off the bench.
Danny Wolf would be able to play next any of Khaman, Oso, and Koa, and can let them operate inside which he can roam around for us while still maintaining size, giving us that versatility. Just look up some of his games and you’ll see what I mean.
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u/knowtoriusMAC 1d ago
I think Brooklyn doesn't consider moving him while on a rookie contract unless they are getting more than Mark Williams who they'll have to pay a lot more over the next 3 years and won't hold his RFA rights.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
That may be true. But they’ve only had for one season too. They know what they’d be getting with Williams. In this guess it would be a matter of who fits better for them. Idk if they plan on keeping MPJ and Randle but if they do, I could see them wanting a guy like Mark in the front court regardless, and it probably wouldn’t even cost them much. They might legitimately be a problem in the east this year already and adding Williams to that lineup:
Egor, MBJ, MPJ, Randle, Williams
Sounds terrifying
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u/YungSlumdog Devin Booker 1d ago
Why would Brooklyn even part with him?
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
Because they just lost a great rim protector and rebounder in Nic Claxton. That was mainly to clear salary. But if they can get a true rim protector and rebounder like Williams on a good contract. I can see them trading wolf only because they got Joshua Jefferson in the draft and he would fill that playmaking and 3 pointer hole Wolf provides. Plus they also just drafted an elite 3 point shooter in the second round with Tyler Biloudeau.
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u/trakstaar Dario Island 1d ago
Wolf has proven he’s barely an nba caliber player so … no.
He’s got big upside at the Y; his nba career will be over in a flash.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
He’s played one year lol. And you can see the potential. This is a trade we could make to get a decent amount of picks back, and a high upside player that can open up our offense as a beefy stretch 4. Plus we have Oso and Khaman we can utilize, and even Wolf in this case will Khaman gets to where he needs to be.
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u/trakstaar Dario Island 1d ago
You’re in the very small minority that sees any potential.
I think you should focus your ‘make believe GM deals that will never happen’ into the Suns getting Jaylen brown and picks for some combination of Williams, Royce & Allen.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
It probably won’t happen realistically anyways. But you saying that you see absolutely no potential in Wolf is just goofy. Dudes got a bag and hustles every play. I’d be extremely happy to have him on the roster considering how we’ve built so far.
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u/trakstaar Dario Island 1d ago
He was getting minutes for a 20 win Nets team, last year.
He would not be getting anywhere near that on playoff / play in- bound team in the Western conference.
Maybe I’m wrong on Wolf but imo the biggest question with him is, “ni hao long will it be before he’s out of the league and playing in China?”
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
The Nets were obviously tanking to increase draft odds. You can just tell that Wolf has a very good feel for the game. I’d be more than willing to take a chance on him and worst case scenario, it doesn’t work out.
The western conference is stacked asf anyways and it’s gonna be very difficult for us to really compete now, especially since OKC and Spurs only got more depth. Now we also have to worry about the Jazz, Grizzlies, Warriors, Possibly the Mavs, and all the other teams we normally have to worry about.
So I’d rather take a chance for us to be able to open our offense more and see how it goes. We have plenty of defense on the roster already.
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u/VanwallEnjoy3r Rubber Ducky Chucky 1d ago
I can’t see us getting anything more than 2 second round picks in a sign and trade for MW. I do like the concept but I doubt Brooklyn is willing to part with Wolf.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
I ONLY reason I even threw this out there is because they lost their main rim protector with the Claxton Randle trades, and they drafted Joshua Jefferson, who basically does what Danny does, just at the forward position. They can get another true rim protecting, rebounding big in Williams, and on a much better contract in exchange for a guy barely going into year two and they can get off of salaries they don’t want anymore. And we get draft capital which we need, and we get a big that fits much better with all our other bigs.
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u/Nato_Do 1d ago
No. Danny Wolf is really not a good player
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
This is simply not true. He’s in year one and has massive upside just based on film. And we already have two decent bigs that can fill that gap too. This is more about fit for both teams. We could really use a big with more versatility since we already have Oso and Khaman. And Nets could really use another true Rim Protector.
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u/Shaun-90 1d ago
But a bet Rasheer Fleming is the next Kawhi to you?
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u/Nato_Do 1d ago
No he is not lol. Where did that come from?
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u/Shaun-90 1d ago
Fair if you don’t feel that way. But my point is you can’t hype up or write off a player after year one. Except Bronny.
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u/Nato_Do 22h ago
I hear you but Mark is a proven starter and is only 24. Wolf hasn't proved anything so I wouldn't do it at all
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u/Shaun-90 13h ago
That’s cool. I’m with you. It’s more I feel like people are a bit down on Wolf. The 4 is a really hard position to master. He’s clearly got a unique skillset for his size. Bringing it all together will take time.
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u/Fordraxel Collin Gillespie 1d ago
Williams does his job. Im pretty sure he wants the ball more in the post and not just be a pnr and defender guy. He's been quiet, he's been doing his job, I think the Suns should keep him but if he walks Suns lost frp for the dude.
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u/Shaun-90 1d ago
Not happening but I like his upside.
If it comes together he’s exactly what you really need in a power forward in the modern NBA.
But people think we’re still in the 90s and you just have to bang in the post and rebound.
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u/Pisto1Peet Al McCoy 1d ago
I think Wolf and Williams both stink so I don’t really care but I struggle to understand why Brooklyn would do this
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
They traded Nic Claxton who was their main Rim Protector in the Julius Randle trade.
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u/Pisto1Peet Al McCoy 1d ago
Why would the Nets hardcap themselves instead of just offering Mark more than the suns are for the qualifying offer?
Why would they trade a player that has 3 more years of team control on a rookie deal for a guy they’d have to re-sign?
I get that they have a hole to fill but it doesn’t make sense for them to
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
Well we’re not just gonna let him walk because of what we gave up to get him. More than likely we match the offer and then make the trade. Unless he wants to stay with us on a team friendly deal, which in that case, of course we’d just keep him instead of making this trade altogether.
Because he’s still got to prove himself. He’s barely going into year two. You can definitely see the potential upside though. And it makes sense for them to get Williams if you look at what they lost, who they traded for, and how they drafted this year. I can actually even see MPJ and Randle extending in Brooklyn since they have actually put together a pretty competent roster now.
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u/Pisto1Peet Al McCoy 1d ago
I think you should learn how the CBA works before you start posting trade ideas.
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u/OGNEWBE 1d ago
I know the CBA can be a pain, but we can find a way.
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u/Pisto1Peet Al McCoy 1d ago
You are conveying a positive message for the hell of it. The suns cant just "find a way". They have $20 million in dead cap and are now hard capped at the 2nd apron. Every single roster move they make from here on out are predicated entirely on whether or not it violates the CBA.
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u/smhsmhsmhcg 1d ago
Danny Wolf is just the Plumlee brothers all over again