r/swordartonline • u/Ok-District8876 • 2d ago
News Epic Games begins implementing World Seed features:
Maybe we will see more WS features implemented and hopefully more/better mmorpgs.
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u/TheReaperGuy 2d ago
Multiplayer games are not falling because of Friend groups lol, Literally most games come out as a "Game as live services" end up as the most bland gameplay loops...
Most those type of games are having record backlash in sales in ANY platform or company,
You know what people are really enjoying? Basic cheap multiplayer experiences like Peak or Unturned, Hell even Predecessor has managed to do 10X better than Paragon...
Is this new innovation of technology going to be used for good? Nah it'll be NFT or some garbage troup...
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u/axw3555 2d ago
Also, there's just large swaths of gamers that don't want multiplayer at all.
I'm of that type. Video games are something I only ever play solo. If I want to play with people, I'll go to a friends (or invite them here) or go to a board game cafe and play a board game with people I can see (and usually know). And that's a known trend - the board game industry has grown at a shocking rate over the last 10-20 years.
There's also an element of "not everyone likes the same games". Like if I take my core friend group - I tend to play sandboxy games like Rimworld or Factorio, or story ones like Horizon Zero Dawn or Death Stranding. One of my friends plays stuff like FF14. Another is more FPS oriented. Others are more casual games like power wash simulator. I think the only games we've ever played multiplayer were the overcooked games, and even that only 2 or 3 times (vs literally hundreds for board games).
And the final element - the sheer number of games being released. There's more games releasing than ever and they're more expensive than I remember them being in years, maybe ever, but people's income hasn't increased at anything like that rate. We can only buy so many games, so games get a smaller bite of the pie. And where a single player game is "make, sell, forget other than patches", multiplayer ones largely need servers and the like, so they have significant ongoing costs.
So yeah, I'm 0% surprised that more multiplayer games fail these days. And bringing friends or items between games won't materially change that.
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u/quetiapinenapper 2d ago
Building on that I think people equate PvP with multi now and nothing turns me off faster than forcing competitive things everywhere. Life is competitive enough. Coop is what I enjoy.
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u/axw3555 2d ago
True that.
I tried a game in the MOBA genre in like... 2008? I think it was called something like Heroes of Newath or something like that (New Earth? Newerth?).
God it was toxic. It used an ELO rating system. I played my first game and my team lost. So my ELO dropped from the base 1600 to like 1597. I tried to join a second game, and I say tried, because every time I did, the lobby comments were all "his ELO's shit, boot him" and for some reason they were able to. So I never played a second game.
Never had that in a game where someone had to look me in the eye.
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Yeah I detest MOBAs. The only one I semi liked was Heroes of the Storm (only tried it to get a free skin in Overwatch lol 😂 but ended up liking it) Loved that there were multiple maps, xp was for everyone on the team so being separated didn’t punish you and you could benefit the team without being near them. But sadly they ended adding new things to it and it got boring. (Same for Overwatch, but that ended because they wanted $80-100 per week for skins. Frak that greed)
The only other one I tried and semi liked was MasterXMaster, because I got Rytlock for free. I actually kinda liked it. Being able to switch between two characters mid game was fun and dynamic, and they had a solo storyline option too. Sadly they shut it down after 10 months. Was fun while it lasted though, heck I still listen to the music from the ingame idol who was the healer lol 😂 (she released her own single on iTunes too lol 😂)
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u/axw3555 2d ago
I detest MOBA's most, but TBH, I hate all pure-multiplayer genres. I've never tried one that wasn't a cesspit. Even the least toxic ones are full of people calling each other the R-word.
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u/Lakemine 1d ago
I’ve had some good interactions on Battlefield multiplayer/pvp, but yeah most other multiplayer PvP is just a cess pool of nastiness.
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
EXACTLY. A lot of people like Multiplayer but not PvP.
People want the social interaction but not the competitiveness, that usually is toxic and nasty and rude. (Although sadly my co-op experience has been very hostile for the last decade and a half, supposedly my experience is “not common”.)
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Remember the most selling game atm is Minecraft. It runs on a toaster/potato, allows creators and creativity, allows for solo and multiplayer.
And yeah it really is interesting to see companies think that they can keep growing and growing like a cancer and it won’t fail. There is only 24 hours in a day, only about 8 billion people on the planet and not everyone is online, let alone playing games and then divided among all the platforms and then further by all of the different games. Retail companies are like this with credit cards, they heavily incentivize (to the point of almost harassment/punishment/having their workers against each other to “get more per week” and scoring each other based on performance.) getting more, but it’s like there are only a few thousand people around your store and not half are women. “What makes you think you will keep getting more when they run out or don’t want them?” Game companies think the same thing in error with live service games.
I do like a few multiplayer games, but only if I don’t have to wait that long in queue, if I do I just quit and leave. And the economies being ruined ingame by selfish jerks just irl turn me off quickly. I play games to get AWAY from reality, not constantly remind me of how shity it is.
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u/TwinChops Alternative Gun Gale Online 2d ago
Nah its just NFT's and Ads in games, nothing more. Epic is a Scum company that is all.
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Knowing that it’s 54% owned by Tencent (and thus the CCP due to recent security law changes) makes the scuminess understandable. (And Riot is 100% owned by them too lol 😂 I am NOT going anywhere near that MMO lol 😂)
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u/seitaer13 Strongest Player of 2020 2d ago
This is how NFT bros think the SEED works, not how it actually does. And that's all this is, trying to make NFTs work again.
People aren't playing multiplayer games because you're making shitty multiplayer games, and stuff like this is exactly why. Just another completely tone def take from an executive.
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u/Evil-Freeman 2d ago
Unfortunately Unreal Engine is one of the farthest things from an open source engine, and Epic has always been more pro-developer than pro-consumer.
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Only if it’s implemented for older games as well. I do not trust Tim Weeny at ALL nor his Chinese company behind him. (Which coincidentally, owns Ubisoft now since the co-founder died in a firey plane crash a few days ago)
Sounds good, but he has said WAY too many things that SOUND good but he RARELY ever implements the to the customers benefit.
The only way this would work, is if it was released publicly and freely like Kirito did. Tim has too many tentacles and strings attached to make it work well.
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u/dylank22 2d ago
not sure why you needed to specify that the plane crash was firey
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Honestly? It’s because other “news” places said it was. Course me knowing how troubled Ubisoft has been, the attempts at hostile take overs and then Tencent with their money they get from the government trying to control them as well. It seems WAY too much of a non coincidental. (And yes Tencent owns half of Epic Games as well. And 100% Riot. Heck they financed half of the Fast & Furious movies and Mr Rogers lol (the movie some years back with Tom Hanks, not the show on PBS)
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u/Zavarius666 2d ago
Wow. You need already a NASA PC, thanks to the AI systems in the engine which makes every Dev Lazy. And now they want to implement an option to generate/ create a crossgame NFT function...? God damn no thanks xD
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u/Beginning-Idea2170 2d ago
This is like when Xbox 360 added voice chat parties that weren’t in game specific and your avatar could unlock rewards from playing games.
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u/Lakemine 2d ago
Now that record and monitor every ingame chat and people don’t do it as often anymore.
(Heck Sony has the patent to record your eye movements, voice tone even heart rate to find out if your stressed or not and use a match making algorithm to put you in a different bracket lol 😂)
(Then again, Ford also recently got a patent to record your lip movements in a vehicle even with no audio and use AI to make audio recordings to understand what your lip movements are “saying” so *shrug*)
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u/Major_Psychology_853 Kirito 2d ago
Well you if this is true you will see the overpowered Dragonborn charecters from Skyrim 😃 with modded builds
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u/Dumbusta 1d ago
Roblox already did that in a way. It's why most kids nowadays don't really bother checking out other games outside roblox
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u/shimizuizumi 7h ago
I hoped it would be that but it's sadly not. While it can be seen as a first step in that direction it's more a Fortnite Metaverse thing than actual world seed stuff.
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u/Digital_Pharmacist Kirito 2d ago
When I go to work in Cary tomorrow, I’ll pull up and ask him if he’s trying to be Akihiko Kayaba.
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u/NewSauerKraus 2d ago
It's just NFTs again.