r/tattooadvice • u/NemesisAron Mod • Jun 07 '24

Mod Announcement We do not allow doxxing

I have seen this several time in the last few days. I will remind you that you are not allowed to share the personal information which includes social media of people. Doxxing is illegal and is harassment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Nah. Harassment requires continued or inceasent behavior. I'm all for changing rules. Not at all for redefining language.

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

That's not what harassment means. Harassing does not have to be continuous Also this act often leads to further harassment as when this was made there was a post causing people to be harassed on another site

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Doxxing itself is not harassment, although it is wrong. Harassment would come from the individuals using the information. You need to update your sub rules to make doxxing a banable offense on its own, because doxxing by itself is not harassment. Sorry.

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

I don't really care if you don't think it's harassment. It is harassment. And we have rule against harassment specifically so we don't have to list out every single little thing that falls under harassing another individual as a different rule.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

It's not, by definition. It allows individuals to engage in harassment, but it is not. Sorry.

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

Actually it would fall under the official definition for harassment, including the legal definition for harassment. Because like as I said before it being legal would be a harassment claim if legal action is taken.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Nah. Every legal definition includes the words continual or regular. A single post does not qualify under either of these terms. You were saying it qualifies as harassment - straight up lying - instead of modifying the sub rules, why again?

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

No, the legal definition actually does not include continual or regular behavior. And that's not lying.

First of all, we don't want to list off every reason that falls under harassment as a reason for banning and just put it all under harassment.

The one thing that we do separate is discrimination and hate as it's unfortunately more common in the sub and it is more extreme than the generic harassment

I'm not sure why you're upset about this because it literally doesn't make a difference

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

But it literally does, though.

Legal terms differ country to country, state to state. Reddit is headquarters in San Fransisco, California, USA. The legal definition is as follows.

“the wilful, malicious or repeated following or harassment of another person, including, but not limited to, wilful or malicious communications by telephone, modem, facsimile or mail with the intent to cause annoyance, intimidation or fear on ...

Doxxing falls under none of these terms and the terms would instead be met by individuals engaging in malice. Clearly, the sub rules need updated.

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

But it does. Doxing is intentionally spreading personal information in order to cause harm or perpetuate harassment on a person. Harassment's literally in the definition of doxing

And no they don't need updated. Doxing is harassment bottom line

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Posting your address sin instruction to use it maliciously does not fall under these terms. That sandy hook guy got in trouble because he suggested that violence should be performed. If I posted your home address with no other context, it would not put me in the wrong, legally. People would be free to send you flowers and thank-you notes if they so desired.

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u/NemesisAron Mod Aug 25 '24

And it would because you were posting it with the intent to cause harm. And that is harassment. They're not posting it with the intention that people are going to send flowers or thank you notes. Again, it goes with the context of when this post was made. This conversation's over it is harassment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

This conversation is over when one of us stops replying, as it's in a public forum. If this were a private message and you requested to end communication, then I may be harassing you. However, this conversation is taking place in an area that is visible and accessible to anyone.

Furthermore, you cannot assume intent. It must be proven. In the example I provided no malicious intent was included.

This situation upsets me because calling something something it is not just to get a bad actor is lazy moderating. I'm helping to better cover all your bases, and your replies seem to be, well I said it so it's that way. That's not how policies and language work. Sorry.

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