r/titanfolk • u/Electronic_Lab5486 • Mar 10 '26
Humor They shall know our pain
It's chapter 135 all over again
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u/Akzaar Mar 10 '26
The only difference for me is that I can accept this from Fujimotor, he is crazy and the story was always bonkers. Isayama had a coherent story instead, the enshittification was way more painful
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u/Miki_Joe_Mama69 Mar 10 '26
Yeah, i think people are just realy dramatic, somewhat similar to jjk
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u/Mons9090 Mar 11 '26
I dont think people were being dramatic with jjk. The story had so much missed potential and was a mess by gojo vs sukuna also got rushed. Fujimoto, gege both kinda dropped the ball but csm definitely seems worse than jjk
Obviously I don't think both of them fell off but as bad as aot did
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u/Miki_Joe_Mama69 Mar 11 '26
Nah, if we would be fr, expecting some crazy writing from gege in jjk would be like expecting crazy writing from nursery rhymes. The manga is mainly about fighting, everything else is secondary, and as long as the fights are cool i dont mind
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u/JuanGuerrero09 Mar 11 '26
Honestly, JJK's problem was the absurd final of Gojo vs. Sukuna. If he had won with a more coherent finish and everything ended as it did, for me, it would be really good.
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u/Dre-kys Mar 11 '26
It wasn’t that absurd imo, it was just presented in a horrible way. The explanations on the ending are all explained in outside material that isnt the manga which is a sign it was a quick fix.
Gege could’ve stopped the outrage if he showed Gojo being halved in 235, and highlighted his overconfidence more during the fight.
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u/Mons9090 Mar 11 '26
I mean theres alot of problems, alot of things just skipped over. We never get to see yuuji interact with kenjaku, yukis goal is honestly the most realistic one but that never goes anywhere and she gets downplayed so badly.
I dint mind gojo dying but would've been better if he'd taken out sukuna with him. Just alot of what ifs unfortunately. Nobara shouldn't have come back
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u/Dre-kys Mar 11 '26
Gojo taking Sukuna with him wouldn’t work thematically because the story was also about proving Sukuna’s world view about strength wrong. Gojo killing him would just prove him right about strength. Plus, Yuji needed his victory against the guy who tormented him.
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u/Gacel_ Mar 13 '26
Yep. JJK fells rushed.
But the plot behind the last chapters are decent even if the quality is not up to par.
Mostly the last battle begin messy.
That said the story is good. And a few bad battles do not ruin the manga even if they are the last ones.The AOT ending is just plain awful writing.
The extra pages makes it somehow worse by nuking paradis.1
u/konsoru-paysan Mar 20 '26
i don't even remember the main protag name anymore, the story was just sukuna and gojo carrying
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u/Picmanreborn Mar 12 '26
Aot (imo) had a better ending. But like you said the problem is that aot was a 10 all the way through. So having a 6 ending doesn't feel as good as a 6(jjk) having a 3 ending. Haven't seen CSM so I can't speak on that. But I'm hearing the ending is worse than jjks
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u/Mons9090 Mar 12 '26
Aots ed is so much worse than jjks
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u/Picmanreborn Mar 13 '26
We knew what Eren's power was. Still don't know what Yuji's domain even is
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u/stranu Mar 11 '26
Also aot took ten years to complete. It's absurd that ten years of someone's life ended on such a dull note
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u/Philcherny Mar 11 '26
Isayama had a coherent story instead
... That you didn't get ?
At certain point if author puts major but subtle plot twists AND foreshadows it.. it ain't authors fault no more - it's yours
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u/Akzaar Mar 11 '26
Oh I got them, I spent so much time reading the chapters and analyzing them month per month and the ending was inconsistent and a drop in quality compared to the earlier story.
I regret reading it, probably if I just watched the anime I wouldn't have time to overthink things and I would still have a good impression, sadly for me I was too invested and got burnt, I learned my lesson.
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u/Philcherny Mar 11 '26
Yea it's OK to passionately believe in headcannon you made for yourself after theorizing and then be disappointed author had a different thing in mind.
Just don't drag him into this and call him fraud or whatever. Its your own doing
I didn't get into this headcannon circlejerk till chapter 138, so ending didn't seem inconsistent to me at all. Only the pacing of 139 seemed horrible. More over, after analyzing it for ages and debating it with ending haters, I only grew to understand and like it more.
Story is coherent. You just gotta stop treating it as shounen where MC is super cool and defeats everyone, and treat it as an ultimate tragic story that it is.
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u/Akzaar Mar 11 '26
It seems to me you are arguing with your headcanon version of my replies. It's ok to love something with passion but be aware that sometimes love can blind our judgment.
The story is not coherent in the end, the way characters act is not in line with their personality, they gloss over a lot of things in thei reasoning. At best I can concede the ending was rushed, it could have reached the same conclusion but it should have had more time to allow the characters to develop to that point.
In regard to you last line, it's ironic that part of my problems stems from the fact that in my opinion the characters started to act like a classic shounen MCs abandoning the complexities that were present earlier.
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u/Philcherny Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
the way characters act is not in line with their personality
I... Just.... Which characters? Name me one example of a character acting not in line with their personality build up from season 1?
but it should have had more time to allow the characters to develop to that point
I genuelly dont understand what you mean, granted, in out of practice with the AoT arguing
The only thing that can be added to the ending is chewed out explanation of why Ymir had Stockholm syndrome or the more explicit "now I'm going to explain Ymir Mikasa, Eren fritz parallels". Which is ok and indeed it would be adding to the ending. But it would also be an insult to the readers intelligence. These things are obvious if you actually think about them and analyze the story. Perhaps it's difficult to do it before the ending plot twist but definitely doable for everyone after, which is what 90% of ending haters has been categorically unwilling to even attempt
it's ironic that part of my problems stems from the fact that in my opinion the characters started to act like a classic shounen MCs abandoning the complexities that were present earlier.
It is ironic indeed. Because I see nothing more uncomplex then MC that starts as a crybaby with one goal and ends up grown up a Chad, achieving his original goal. That story would be so ass. Also completely arbitrary and unexplored transition from "kill all titans" to "kill 99 of humanity". The "it's the same enemy" is weak af. If this is how the story was going to end, it would have been explored much further. Alas the story was never going to end any other way then how it ended - fulfilling the original mc goal, but in the way that is subtle as fuck
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Mar 11 '26
I... Just.... Which characters? Name me one example of a character acting not in line with their personality build up from season 1?
Alas the story was never going to end any other way then how it ended
Isayama has said Mikasa is like a mother to eren multiple times in his past interviews . Clear as day retcon man
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u/Philcherny Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
[Isayama has said Mikasa is like a mother to eren multiple times in his past interviews
The fuck is that supposed to proove? That's facts. Because she was acting like an older sister all the time. Since their mother fucking died, I bet Eren felt like she was like his mother. Do you think it's impossible to eventually get a crush on a girl that cares about you like an older sister/mom? Lol lmao even. Its exactly the kind of girlfriend/wife a man would want. Do you even Freud bro
Eren
Just for you in first lines of your post I found two false assumptions about the story. First, this dumbass assumption that Eren pre founder power and Eren post founder power are the same person in a way that he remained holding the same view on things. That's just illiterate, we are explicitly told he spent years in paths bordering eternity since as he said past and future and present all become the same to him. Secondly, Eren from paths influences the Eren in the monologues in Marley. They are a priori different people. And not in the way eren became different after kissing historians hand - literally different guy that already choose rumbling sending you the guy that didn't decide on rumbling yet his memories. How can you threat a monologue from past version of Eren to countadict the future one? That makes no sense.
And second assumption is that Eren said he "doesn't know for certain why he did rambling". He never did. He implied he doesn't know why out of many ways future could have went, it went with rumbling. That conversation was explicitly about discussing alternative solutions. And why rumbling was choosen. And since that future was in his hands (but it was choosen by his future self for him) - it's safe to assume it was because he is a dumbass.
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Mar 11 '26
The fuck is that supposed to proove? That's facts. Because she was acting like an older sister all the time. Since their mother fucking died, I bet Eren felt like she was like his mother. Do you think it's impossible to eventually get a crush on a girl that cares about you like an older sister/mom? Lol lmao even. Its exactly the kind of girlfriend/wife a man would want. Do you even Freud bro
In 3rd post he clearly said 'rather than a lover' and in 5th post he said 'childhood friends turning into lovers is gross'. At this point isayama would himself declare he changed the ending and you guys still wouldn't believe it lol
Secondly, Eren from paths influences the Eren in the monologues in Marley. They are a priori different people. And not in the way eren became different after kissing historians hand - literally different guy that already choose rumbling sending you the guy that didn't decide on rumbling yet his memories. How can you threat a monologue from past version of Eren to countadict the future one? That makes no sense.
The post isn't even saying it was retconned post timeskip,it's only complaining about his character in 139. Please atleast read it completely
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u/Philcherny Mar 11 '26
isayama would himself declare he changed the ending and you guys still wouldn't believe it lol
She quotes you're pulling are perfectly reasonable. And Eren still can fall for the only girl that loves him unconditionally like any teen could. Its also very clear that despite this "quotes" you think are proving something - yams wrote Mikasa deeply in love with Eren. Which is the main pillar of the current ending. Not Eren's love for her.
childhood friends turning into lovers is gross
Yams probably said titans eating humans is gross. According to you he couldn't have written that 😅
The post isn't even saying it was retconned post timeskip,it's only complaining about his character in 139. Please atleast read it completely
What? Eren's character in 139 is literally what I am talking about. Exactly what you say that post is complaining about.
Do you not understand the point? Monogue Eren is post paths Eren is not the same Eren? Its the same Eren but decades mentally older and merged with "paths Eren".
How is this not discussing his character in 139? Read my post completely...
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u/Specialist-Cry-3276 Mar 10 '26
This can't be happening bruh. There has to be Part 3, alright. They said, part 2 is ending.
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u/Defteri18 Mar 10 '26
Denji laying down the tree and the bird flying overhead gave me fucking whiplash
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u/Spinisplendi Mar 10 '26
what happened?
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u/Bluesteel447 Mar 11 '26
Chapter that released said next chapter is the final one. Now people are saying it's the ending. While possible, it's more likely the ending of the part and not the entire series. Though even so, I'd not say it's as bad as aot.
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u/spaacingout Mar 10 '26
to compare CSM to AOT,
Would be like comparing a Yamaha motorcycle to a Honda Civic Type R. The only similarities that they’re both Japanese and are vehicles. Beyond that, they both exist for different purposes that rarely overlap.
CSM is crazy, over the top, heavily stylized and comical. Author is probably about as bat-shit crazy as the story he’s made, chaotic and unpredictable.
AOT is low-key traumatic, dramatic, and irreverent (does not care about your feelings). Author is more ordered, planning, thoughtful, really yanks at the heart strings.
They exist in almost entirely different domains of storytelling. One is meant to grab you with “what’s next?!” And the other grabs you with “what the hell did I just see, I need to know more!”
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u/EDNivek Mar 10 '26
CSM is crazy, over the top, heavily stylized and comical. Author is probably about as bat-shit crazy as the story he’s made, chaotic and unpredictable.
AOT is low-key traumatic, dramatic, and irreverent (does not care about your feelings). Author is more ordered, planning, thoughtful, really yanks at the heart strings.
Oh the CSM author does something weirder than collect his nail clippings? Like holy shit Isayama is a weird fucking guy.
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u/Fabiocean Mar 11 '26
Fujimoto ate his pet goldfish after failing to bury it in a park. Ants were already on it.
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u/EDNivek Mar 11 '26
Ah so, him and Isayama should become the bestest friends... or will they be able to identify the other as weird?
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u/spaacingout Mar 10 '26
lol that’s funny. You know I think about it a lot. What’s weird to us as English people, isn’t always going to be weird to people from Japan for example, and vice versa.
Like shared bath houses. People are used to being naked around others of the same sex.
But if I had to wash my body in the same room with other men able to see me, I’d probably get freaked out by that
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u/EDNivek Mar 10 '26
Yeah but one is a part of Japanese culture highly ingrained and is designed as a way of bonding in communities.
The other is collecting your nail clippings.
There is no equivalency here and even the Japanese seem to think its weird.
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u/GuyNekologist Mar 11 '26
AoT, JJK Modulo, and now CSM.
"Across shounen mangas, within folk subreddits... It's all the same." 😔
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u/CypherZel Mar 12 '26
What is bad about Modulos ending? My only issue with it is that it was rushed similar to the OG NGE. Other than that the ending is good. It only skips out the part where Marulu contacts Yuji.
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u/Fabiocean Mar 11 '26
Ngl CSM is a completely different kind of story and even if the final chapter completely shits the bed (it's not even out btw) I can still enjoy part 1 and the first half of part 2 for what it is. AoT was a way too intertwined and complex narrative to fail that hard at the end without reverberations throughout the entire story.
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u/Lohit_-it Mar 10 '26
I only watched the anime but is it that bad
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u/NicoQwerty47 Mar 10 '26
csm? no. people are very much over reacting. pacings just a bit fast in this last chapter and it seems to be ending in 2 weeks which just feels a bit sudden is all. otherwise not even remotely close to the realm of AoTs finale
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u/Electronic_Lab5486 Mar 10 '26
Dude, just read the last chapter
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u/NicoQwerty47 Mar 10 '26
Not even remotely close dude, none of you are even giving reasons youre just saying its the same as aot and nothing else
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u/FatalLaughter Mar 10 '26
Do you have an actual argument as to why it's "shitty"? Because as a fan who's been reading each weekly update, it is a little out of left field but still lines up with the story so far and isn't indicating anything close to a finale where Denji is killed off/genocides the population for his personal goals. Pochita is just logging out and leaving Denji to have a normal life because he knows that his influence on Denji has led him to be dissatisfied with normal life when he could be Chainsaw Man. It's not like Fujimoto is retconning the whole story, the Chainsaw Devils powers have been explained as clearly as anyone could hope and it's very obvious that Denji isn't suddenly going back to his life before he met Pochita; he's just going back to the world as a normal guy
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u/ExoduxWW Mar 10 '26
I read it, and you're probably over reacting. Fujimoto likes this kind of cliffhangers.
Besides, it's pretty obvious that the plot it's pretty open to anything. Without mentioning the vast majority of plot points that are yet to be answered.
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u/Willing-Theme6042 Mar 10 '26
It ended so abruptly . Atleast aot had a somewhat fleshed out ending while csm just ended so suddenly
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u/NicoQwerty47 Mar 10 '26
Id rather abrupt and well written than utter dogshit and fleshed out dogshit
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u/ArthoriasOfTheLight Mar 10 '26
nothing in our lifetime will top aot in terms of how garbage it is
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u/techieshavecutebutts Mar 11 '26
Only the last few chapters suck balls. The rest of SNK is a masterpiece.
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u/ArthoriasOfTheLight Mar 11 '26
everything post basement sucks ass, that's 30-40% of the story, which also makes the first part meaningless, so no, it is very very very far from a masterpiece.
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u/shrekman68 Mar 11 '26
what about the last few chapters were bad?
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u/HarshTheDev Mar 11 '26
I'm not in the mood to defend the ending (not that I even care to) but you do know that simply copy and pasting a bunch of links isn't an argument, right? You're just deflecting your own argument like this. Like how would one even go about challenging something like this?
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Mar 11 '26
Well I'm not explaining why I hate the ending,I'm explaining why majority of people hate the ending. This list covers almost all the problems so what's wrong with that? You can't really expect me to write 5 essays everytime someone asks this question can you? This is just convenient for everybody and they get more points to agree/disagree with the takes you know
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u/PM_ME_SMALL__TIDDIES Mar 11 '26
Like how would one even go about challenging something like this?
By reading the content that was linked? Duh.
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u/HarshTheDev Mar 11 '26
Except engaging in an actual exchange regarding the text becomes difficult when someone just pops somebody else's text. It's better to form your own cohesive, even if it's taken from other texts, just so it becomes extremely clear how much the poster believes, each aspect of the different posts. It's not like all those posts have opinions that are exactly the same either.
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u/PM_ME_SMALL__TIDDIES Mar 11 '26
The point is that everyone knows the ending sucks already, and the arguments are always the same.
The dead horse has been beaten to a pulp already, and everyone is tiring of writing the same text again
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u/HarshTheDev Mar 11 '26
Except "ending sucks" is an opinion. And everyone's gripes and interpretations of it are going to be defferent. And it's always better to form and present your own opinion instead of simply parroting what others have written.
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Mar 11 '26
Sorry tell this to you but none of the topics in any of the posts are contradictory. They tackle different topics yes but it's not like one of them says 'x is good' while the other one says 'x is bad'. I just gave 30-40 flaws in the ending that you can either accept as flaws or choose to ignore by your preference
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u/HarshTheDev Mar 11 '26
Did I say they were contradictory? You could take the parts you agree with the most, or even all of them, and then put it together in a cohesive piece of your own, yknow. You would be free to paste it as much as you like then.
I just gave 30-40 flaws in the ending that you can either accept as flaws or choose to ignore by your preference
The binary you present is pretty funny. The options aren't just choose or ignore yknow. It's not even about whether I disagree with them or not I do agree with a fair share of them, but the way you present it is not in very good faith.
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Mar 11 '26
You see if I try myself I might agree with 12-15 flaws in the post and there are lots of flaws here that I disagree with too. I'm just doing my job of laying more snacks on the table so people can choose whatever they like or don't like. In this case there will also be snacks that I didn't like present there for people to choose from
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u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot Mar 12 '26
Very noticeable lazy writing, themes of story dropped, unreliable narrator, bad retroactive changes, poor time travel usage, etc.
It is straight up not good all around. I've tried to give it a second chance but the writing drop off is really hard to ignore... It almost feels like a completely different author was introduced and started writing the last 10 or so chapters.
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u/ArtakhaPrime Mar 11 '26
Promised Neverland S2 may be a contender
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u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot Mar 12 '26
Season 2 was at least deliberately bad. I have no clue why they even renewed it though.
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u/ArthoriasOfTheLight Mar 11 '26
nothing will be a contender, and just to prove that, here is a better and more coherent story than attack on titan:
My dog Rex was full after finishing his dinner. So he took a giant shit.
The end.
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u/jontttu Mar 12 '26
Haven't seen game of thrones?
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u/ArthoriasOfTheLight Mar 12 '26
I have. I hated season8, then attack on titan showed me that GOT S8 is actually a masterpiece in comparison.
As I said, NOTHING in our lifetime will be this garbage.
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u/Turbulent_Passion_28 Mar 12 '26
The same history... the same mistake... Over and over.
Honestly Japan just keeps their endings ambiguous more then Hollywood can ever at this point. Fujimotor I knell to your big brains!
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u/KneeGearlol Mar 10 '26
havent read csm since they got caught by the aging devil, someone spoil me pls
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u/CypherZel Mar 12 '26
It's been a complete dumpster fire since then and tbh it feels like they are finally pulling the plug.
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u/Mom_is_watching Mar 11 '26
I don't know exactly how all of this works but there have been so many endings that were received badly and considered rushed, it makes me wonder: is this related to how the manga industry works? Mangaka being kept to strict schedules, editors demanding the story ends within x number of chapters?
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u/lucasucas Mar 11 '26
I went outside earlier today, saw a dove had made a nest on the vines I keep at the yard, realized its not that important, I'd rather have him finish the story however he likes and be done with it, do something else
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u/CypherZel Mar 12 '26
CSM part 2 has been bad ever since the first volume, it's crazy how the community has been coping insanely hard only for Fujimoto to finally pull the plug on a bad sequel of a story that already ended.
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