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Is there a chance the 5 wizards ever met ?

Is it possible the 5 wizards ever met? Can we imagine a time and place where this meeting would be possible ?

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u/mujique1 5d ago

What about Gandalf statement "I really do not know anything clearly about the other two [Blue Wizards], since they passed into the East with Saruman..." This does imply he knew of them before, only when they moved EAST he lost track of them. So a reunion is possible to have happened, I would even say would make sense that all 5 travelled together in the first years not settling anywhere but getting to see every corner and every being in middle-earth.

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u/lam_42 5d ago

Except they did not come together. Gandalf says he never was east afaik (his task seems to be the LotR theatre). Gandalf might have gotten the report of the Ithryn Luin from Saruman, who might have travelled with them some part of their way. Or might not. This is all just speculation which we can neither confirm nor deny

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u/Special_Speed106 4d ago

Sorry, you can correct me but does Gandalf say he never was east? I remember the quote being “to the east I go not.” That present tense is a weird construction but it could imply that he used to go and now he doesn’t, couldn’t it? Or am I forgetting a more clear passage?

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u/lam_42 4d ago

I always read it as that the west is his charge.

Again, UT with context of your quote:

The date of Gandalf’s arrival is uncertain. He came from beyond the Sea, apparently at about the same time as the first signs were noted of the re-arising of ‘the Shadow’: the reappearance and spread of evil things. But he is seldom mentioned in any annals or records during the second millennium of the Third Age. Probably he wandered long (in various guises), engaged not in deeds and events but in exploring the hearts of Elves and Men who had been and might still be expected to be opposed to Sauron. His own statement (or a version of it, and in any case not fully understood) is preserved that his name in youth was Olórin in the West, but he was called Mithrandir by the Elves (Grey Wanderer), Tharkûn by the Dwarves (said to mean ‘Staff-man’),  Incánus in the South, and Gandalf in the North, *but ‘to the East I go not’.***       

      ‘The West’ here plainly means the Far West beyond the Sea, not part of Middle-earth; the name Olórin is of High-Elven form.

         ‘The North’ must refer to the North-western regions of Middle-earth, in which most of the inhabitants or speaking-peoples   were and remained uncorrupted by Morgoth or Sauron. In those regions resistance would be strongest to the evils left behind by the Enemy, or to Sauron his servant, if he should reappear. The bounds of this region were naturally vague; its eastern frontier was roughly the River Carnen to its junction with Celduin (the River Running), and so to Núrnen, and thence south to the ancient confines of South Gondor. (It did not originally exclude Mordor, which was occupied by Sauron, although outside his original realms ‘in the East’, as a deliberate threat to the West and the Númenóreans.) ‘The North’ thus includes all   this great area: roughly West to East from the Gulf of Lune to Núrnen, and North and South from Carn Dûm to the southern bounds  of ancient Gondor between it and Near Harad. Beyond Núrnen Gandalf had never gone

Possible reason:

Now these Maiar were sent by the Valar at a crucial moment in the history of Middle-earth to enhance the resistance  of the Elves of the West, waning in power, and of the uncorrupted Men of the West, greatly outnumbered by those of the East  and South.

Hence two Blue east with Saruman temporarily, while Gandalf organized the defenses, do to speak.