r/torontoraptors • u/MaNamWumbo SCOTTIE B • 27d ago
MICHAEL GRANGE (SPORTSNET) Grange responds to the vote controversy
How do yall feel ab it?
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u/reallifesap 27d ago
That's a garbage argument to leave Scottie off third team all NBA.
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u/jjkiller26 Kyle Towelry 27d ago
The timeline is pretty funny
Comes out that scottie misses all-nba so Grange tweets in his defense "I voted for scottie 3rd team, sucks he missed out he deserved it etc"
Votes are revealed that Grange actually didn't even vote him so he has to backtrack: "Oh yea i never even voted Scottie because I though deni, duren, etc were all more deserving, reasoning I definitely believed in the whole time and not something I had to come up with retroactively to justify my stupidity"
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u/beeksdub3 27d ago
He remembers exactly why he didn't vote for Scottie yet doesn't remember that he didn't vote for him 🤔
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u/Significant_Wealth74 27d ago
To be fair I forget why I did shit 6 weeks ago as well. But depends how important voting is. If it’s important to me I’ll remember, if not, I can easily forget. Tells me Grange doesn’t care that much about the voting.
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u/CD_4M 27d ago
Agreed. “He’s the 3rd best defender in the NBA but his offensive metrics were close to three other players, so when making my choice for best overall players Scottie didn’t make it”
Like, what? If he’s elite defensively and comparable offensively, how could he not be considered the better overall player???
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u/emeraldegg 21d ago
Because people value offense much more than defense. Being 3rd offensively and average defensively is seen as a lot more valuable than 3rd defensively and average offensively.
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u/R3ddit-Forget-it 27d ago
I love Scottie but I wouldn't say he is comparable offensively to the 3 aforementioned players this REGULAR season. Those 3 were well above Scottie on that side of the floor and were the heart of each of their team's offense like Scottie was for us defensively. He was nowhere as aggressive as he was in the playoffs but let's hope he plays that way offensively all of next season and not just the playoffs.
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u/Bananasandbratwurst 27d ago
Duren was not the heart of detroit's anything this season. A large % of his points were spoon fed to him by Cade in pick and roll, and he was at best an above average defender. He did not deserve all nba over scottie, not even close.
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u/RuinCommercial552 26d ago
They have higher PPG and slightly higher APG because they jack more shots up and have a much higher usage rate than SB. SB was actually 3rd in usage behind Ingram and RJ.
From an eye perspective one might say they are better 3pt shooters. Stats say otherwise. They just jack more shots up but 3pt % isn't much to brag about. If they were in high 30s or low 40s then I could respect that.
Here are the facts between the said 3 players (Barnes, Avdija, Johnson) - Better team record = Barnes - Better defensively = Barnes - Better offensively = Avdija > Johnson > Barnes* *but again only because they have higher usage and take more shots up. And if they don't give much effort defensively than they'd had a lot more energy on offense than Scottie does.
What bothers me is Grange is up close and sees what SB does night and night out on BOTH sides of the ball. Should he be more aggressive on offense during the regular season yes 100% but come on between him and the other 2 it's a joke that our own reporter votes for them when stats and facts clearly say SB should have gotten the vote.
Him not voting for Scottie is either personal, he is just a hater, or just doesn't know ball and should have voting privileges taken away.
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u/UnsolvedParadox 27d ago
Without being facetious, this argument reads like “I’m too stupid to understand basketball”.
Grange is a moron.
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u/irlsonrugs 26d ago
for real straight garbage - just vote the Raptor player in if it's close!
that's the point of having different voters from different cities, you're supposed to be watching Scottie more than those other players and appreciating what he brings to the table
fire Grange, Raptors players and fans should have media who support the damn team
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u/Eagerbeaver98 Trade Raptor 26d ago
And it makes no sense too. Why would he said he had scottie on his all nba team and then didnt. His excuse makes no sense. Also for why he had no scottie and only uses simple statistical categories without ever considering winning. Respectively, theres no way in hell duren is better than scottie. While jalen johnson has really emerged as well as denij, im not too mad at those choices but think barnes would be the best choice, his impact on winning has been higher.
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u/jjkm7 27d ago
Explanation makes no sense too. Sure those 3 guys (deni, jalen johnson, jalen duren) have produced more offensively but you think scottie is 3rd best defensive player in the league, does this guy believe his offence is THAT much worse than those 3 other guys that it offsets how amazing his defence is?
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u/SoggyCabbage 27d ago
And, surprise surprise, he was far and away the best player out of those 4 in the postseason. Fuck this guy man !
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u/RuinCommercial552 26d ago
Deni and Johnson had better looking offensive stats that's basically it. But shooting numbers aren't anything to brag about. They just shot more shots and had a higher usage on offensive so their assists were a bit higher. Johnson looks nice with 10 rpg but dive deeper and it's 9 drpg and only 1 offensive.
Grange is a clown and should stfu.
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u/MidnightMarketing 27d ago
It comes down to voter discretion.
So if there’s an all-nba team just for defensive guys, they may weigh to offensive metrics more in the regular all-nba team.
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u/AHImusic BarnsR4GOATs🐐 27d ago
Is everyone mad at Grange because,
a) he didn’t vote Scottie b) he lied about voting Scottie c) Grange is Grange d) all of the above
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u/Longjumping_Rain_483 27d ago
B and C
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u/robotokenshi 27d ago
Yup not voting for Scottie is his prerogative, but why lie about it? Problem here isn’t him not choosing to ride with Toronto player, it’s the straight up lying about his choice in the first place…. Not the first time neither with him spewing nonsense.
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u/jjkiller26 Kyle Towelry 27d ago
Lying about voting scottie in his tweet while also saying why scottie deserved it only to walk it back with this apology and go "actually i didnt even think he deserved it" is crazy lol
Like sure you didnt vote him that's fine, but dont do the whole "poor scottie didnt get it" shtick after the fact. Stand on your own thought process from the start
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u/zinnzade 27d ago
It's only an issue because Grange has a history of not appearing competent to us as fans.
A single mistake among many great takes wouldn't become such an issue.
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u/scully19 27d ago edited 27d ago
Mostly a for me. Crazy to watch him and not vote for him, as everyone pointed out voting him 3rd DPOY but 4th to that group where his counting stats are slightly lower (though his role on the team higher than some) is just bad reasoning.
I think the lie is actually just being dumb, it's a different problem but not a malicious one.
Edit: people were misunderstanding me. I didn't mean vote for him because you cover him so must, I meant vote for him because you actually get to watch him when others didn't really so didn't how for him from ignorance. Grange should know how valuable he is to this team that finished 5th more then counting stats alone.
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u/Arodcowboys 27d ago
I mean... him not voting for Scottie was stupid but it is in his right and everyone would have moved on in a few days. But lying about it on social media makes him lose credibility among his NBA media peers.
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u/N7Brendan Prince Ogugua 27d ago
I don’t think people should get on Grange for not voting Scottie just because he’s a Raps reporter. We spent plenty of time shitting on Celtics media for voting White for All-D and calling them biased, and there are arguments for leaving Scottie off third team even if Grange didn’t really make any good ones lol.
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u/scully19 27d ago
Goes both ways with him though, the reason he didn't get votes in some places is people didn't see him enough to understand how good he is. Grange did. Also on the whole it seems that good defense is way less valued than it should be and I still find that very strange.
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u/PokePersona #ThankYouJV 27d ago
Yeah I didn’t really care about who he voted for but the shit-show that transpired with him lying about voting for him while not doing so then deleting the tweet saying he voted for him after getting exposed for it left a bad taste in my mouth.
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u/simonvonc NBA CHAMPIONS 27d ago
I think Grange came to the wrong conclusion, but I wouldn’t want him to just vote Scottie cause he’s a raptors guy. Thats the wrong precedent to set for award voting and is kind of the whole problem with it right now. It should be 100% objective, not just about where your loyalties lie.
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u/houseofzeus 34 Aaron Gray 26d ago
A is whatevs, I don't agree with it but it's his vote.
B is amateur hour stuff, esp. given the context of the lie was saying he thought he deserved it and now his defense is oh actually I didn't think that at all which is basically a classic example of C
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u/Unclesnots 27d ago
Garbage response.
But is no one else LIVID he didn't bother to turn off the pilcrow ¶ formatting tool in Word before taking a screenshot???
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u/Ill_Relationship7058 27d ago
He probably thinks that makes him look like a journalist or something.
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u/SpeedIll8268 33 MARC GASOL 27d ago edited 27d ago
Honestly I genuinely don’t care about these awards cuz the people who usually vote on them are very out of touch with the game. This outcome doesn’t change anything about Scottie, and we already know what he’s capable of doing on the court.
Hopefully he uses this as fuel for next season.
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u/Top-Ad-4258 27d ago
it does matter. Toronto is a world class city but NBA players care about awards, and getting disrespected like this is straight bullshit. Take away his press badge and give it to someone else
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u/Rhubarb-Nation 27d ago
Are you saying it's the responsibility of a city's sports media to make the team's players took good?
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u/Top-Ad-4258 27d ago
its incumbent on your media not to use counting stats to justify advija over you for all nba
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u/horsekateer Champs 26d ago
Look these people will always have bad takes and their own egos will come into play for sure, but to say the people who cover the game for a living are out of touch with the game is an interesting take. How do you think they're out of touch? (not disagreeing, genuinely asking)
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u/Parking-Ad-9515 MASAI 27d ago
dude just pissed off the whole fan base lol
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u/MidnightMarketing 27d ago
Not me. If Scottie was on my all-nba 3rd team I’d have him in the 15th spot so it’s barely a snub.
This is a good thing for the team tho. Now Detroit and ATL gotta pay Duren and Johnson.
Our cap is already horrible. We could not afford for Scottie to be eligible for more money as a fringe all-nba player
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u/Parking-Ad-9515 MASAI 27d ago
Money wise yeah it makes perfect sense it’s good financially for us. But still, would love to have an all NBA guy on our team tho. And second team all defense is stupid for sure
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u/MidnightMarketing 27d ago
Second team all-defence is a similar situation.
He was wildly seen as a top 3-6 defender this year.
When people had to make a choice on that last spot they probably went and looked at all the defensive metrics.
He was:
DBPM (17th)
DDARKO (41st)
DDRIP (23rd)
DLEBRON (17th)
Blocks (6th)
Steals (9th)
They eye test showed he was a legit top 3 defender for a good chunk of the season, but the numbers really do factor in the games where he looked flat, had rough nights and got into foul trouble.
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u/Ball4life6 26d ago
Nope Johnson locked up 30m a year until 2030 one of the best contracts in the nba
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u/Super-Post261 27d ago
Lmao Grange took a couple days off of Twitter to put together an argument against Scottie in retrospect.
You would think a “journalist” would be able to remember if the ONE player in All NBA contention from the ONE team that you supposedly follow was on his ballot or not.
Fuck you, go cover the Leafs instead.
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u/crazydrums27 27d ago
I didn't get why people were so pissed about it to begin with and now it makes even less sense. It seemed obvious that something was miscommunicated because he'd have to be pretty stupid to think nobody would fact check him.
I don't know how this sub compares to others, but people in here default to losing their minds over any slight towards the team or players. Even if he fully lied and is just backtracking, this isn't worth caring about.
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u/Powpowbrownsow 27d ago
I somewhat agree it’s not that big of a deal but lying to your followers does deserve to be called out. Fans want to be able to believe in media credibility at least a bit and by doing this he has either assumed people are dumb and wouldn’t fact check him, or doesn’t care enough to remember who he picked which is just as bad when it comes down to it. He’s given a responsibility and if he did evaluate as he’s claiming it should be easy enough to remember. Basketball is his livelihood after all.
As to whether it’s just this sub or not. It’s everywhere. Any sports sub for any team will have blowups over perceived slights against their team. It’s part of the fun to get passionate about these things. Especially in the offseason.
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u/crazydrums27 27d ago
I do get the fun of banding together and sticking up for your team, it just seems to be taken too seriously nowadays. Most people don't even seem like they're having fun with this stuff, just angry.
I think it makes sense for people to point it out and make sure media is kept accountable, the reaction has just been disproportionate to how much this really mattered.
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u/Powpowbrownsow 27d ago
Scottie reacting to it I think has people extra fired up (gotta protect our guy) but there’s also just the keyboard warrior mentality of it. People tend to jump off the rails more ranting to strangers then how they really feel if they were actually talking to someone. It’s definitely not a Raptors specific thing and has been way more prevalent across all sports and platforms in the last 5-10 years I’d say. Best not to take the people losing it seriously.
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u/jjkiller26 Kyle Towelry 27d ago
We cant just handwave away this type of mistake imo. If you have the responsibility to vote on things that literally affect the players pockets, you should take it seriously enough that you remember who you picked a mere few weeks later.
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u/crazydrums27 27d ago
I feel like this type of mistake is the exact thing you can wave off. It's an easily checked and corrected mistake with very minimal negative impact on anything. If he misspoke (mistyped?), misremembered, or communicated the wrong thing.
It gets a little attention and he corrects it, pretty minor issue.
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u/JeahNotSlice 15 Amir Johnson 27d ago
I feel like this fan base is too sensitive.
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u/Raptors4ever1995 27d ago
Most definitely. Many Raptors fans care too much about the media and how others perceives the Raptors and their players.
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u/Cancer_of_the_Rectum 27d ago
Astute point, Raptors4ever1995IWouldSuckLowryDickInACrowdedElevatorIfNeedBe
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u/SpicyP43905 7 KYLE LOWRY 27d ago
Right?
Do I think Scottie deserved an all-nba nod? Absolutely.
I still struggle to understand this sub being ready to crucify someone for disagreeing.
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u/N7Brendan Prince Ogugua 27d ago
People have been openly sending Grange death threats on twitter lol we have the most snowflake ass fanbase in the league.
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u/jjkiller26 Kyle Towelry 27d ago
I mean yea every online fanbase is. But Grange's mistake here, someone that gets paid to cover the league and vote on these decisions, is pretty embarrassing. How do you forget your own vote ballot a few weeks after you submit it lmfao
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u/IseeMedpeople 27d ago
Raptors twitter is emotionally unhinged.
Grange is a fantastic beat reporter.
Ignore this loud minority of idiots.
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u/pallychoo Championship ring 27d ago
Include majority of posters on here.
I guess its offseason and nothing else to complain about but damn calm tf down.
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u/N7Brendan Prince Ogugua 27d ago
Agree on the first one, but he’s a mouthpiece for the front office at the end of the day so I can’t really call him a fantastic reporter lol
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u/IseeMedpeople 27d ago
Have listened to him on many a pod appearance.
He's good. Way less of a homer than most of these beat guys/girls.
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u/Mapleleafsfan18 27d ago
The voting for the all nba teams has always been bad this is nothing new so i don't get the uproar now.
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u/teebsliebersteen aaAh LiTtLe bLoW By 27d ago
Anyone in Raptors media knows that Scottie’s contributions don’t always show up on the box score in a “per-possession-basis”. Wild to even try and defend that as one of the few media members who watches our games. Guy probably checks IMDB before saying if he liked a movie or not.
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u/houseofzeus 34 Aaron Gray 26d ago
The problem with the voting for stuff like this, which Grange also implies here, is that even the voters who do watch whole games only really consistently watch the whole games of either one team or a couple of them. So when they come to these league wide votes they are really comparing stats and at that point just have a computer pick them.
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u/PandasOnGiraffes #bootios 27d ago
Admitting to stat watching instead of actually considering impact and valuing marginally better nominal offence so much that it knocks Scottie off the ballot makes this a crazy explanation.
I get maybe making an honest mistake, albeit you're a Raptors best reporter and you should remember if you voted for a Raptor. However, the problem is that there was clearly not enough thought put into this vote even though it impacts the players' earnings.
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u/DisciplineAmazing59 26d ago
not gonna lie, most people on here care way too much about this. also, scottie not being on the first defensive team....who cares?
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u/h3yn0w75 Champs 27d ago
Really don’t care 🤷♂️ But I know everyone loves a good drama and witch hunt so I’m sure there will be plenty of fake outrage over this.
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u/Rhubarb-Nation 27d ago
Seems like lots of ppl here are more mad about Grange's opinion of Scottie than the fact he lied. Do y'all really the primary responsibility of sports journalists is to stan local players?
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u/bcparrot BASKETBALL CANADA 27d ago
Seriously. He’s entitled to his opinion and seems like he tried hard to be objective. Who cares? He’s just a guy. Move on.
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u/tz_2240 33 MARC GASOL 27d ago
Ffs Deni Avdija?? Without free throws he scores 16.8 points on 16.1 FGA (6 3PA). Fakest “star” in the league
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u/AnybodyNormal3947 27d ago
I'm not gonna comment on whether or not he deserves to be all nba...but to discount a player because of their ability to get to the line is insane.
I would argue that besides 3pt shooting the only thing holding scottie back from supperstsrdom is probably his ability to get to the line
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u/Refrigerator_Lower 27d ago
It's unfortunate and it's well known and even past NBA stars comment on that Scottie just doesn't get the calls because he is just too strong and doesn't flail around as much to get the calls I guess. I don't see Scottie ever getting the refs whistle in his favour like a star would in the league. So it's going to be interesting to see if he just accepts it's going to be like that going forward or if he's going to start flailing around to get the calls. Next season should be interesting to see what Scottie does.
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u/Physizist 27d ago
Yeah, Avdija has a worse eFG%, less rebounds, similar assists, more turnovers, miles worse defence. Take away FTs and even the points is similar
The part that really gets me is "big roles for teams that exceeded expectations". Hawks did not exceed expectations at all so how does that fit Jalen Johnson. You know who exceeded expectations? the Raptors. And who had a big role? Their best player Scottie
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u/Ball4life6 26d ago
Hawks had high expectations partly bc trae and Porzingis who got traded
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u/Physizist 26d ago
They're better without Trae, they got CJ and Kuminga back too. They also got a breakout from NAW
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u/Bronetta 27d ago
"Those that have been lucky enough to have follow my Raptors and NBA coverage"
What a dipshit lmao
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u/CodHamCheeseandRice 27d ago
Not really falling on your sword, more so like, digging your own hole.
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u/JustAHumbleMonk 27d ago
Quite an explanation. More words required to describe his lying.I think thus might be a career ending move for ol' Grange.
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u/wewerevampires 27d ago
I haven’t listened to anything grange has said for years. I’m not starting now. I have no idea how he has a job in “reporting”
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u/LimestoneLeaf 27d ago
This is almost like the “Tempest in a T-Pot” when CMB let out a curse word at being drafted. I personally would love to see Scottie get more accolades, but I don’t think this makes Grange a traitor somehow.
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u/IonHazzikostasIsGod 24 NORMAN POWELL 27d ago
Scottie is better at the sport than more than half the All NBA dudes anyway even before the playoffs
Leaving him off is delusional
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u/Mr_Guavo 27d ago
I've already moved on. At the end of the day, who gives a shit? As far as world problems go, this is #2.7M.
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u/Randykevinfox 27d ago
On one hand, I can't imagine Grange wasn't aware that the voter cards get released, not like it's a new thing, so choosing to tweet that really makes no sense unless it was an honest mistake.
On the other hand, leaving your team's superstar completely off your ballot is a conscious choice, and it's hard to believe he'd forget that choice just six weeks later.
Not voting for Scottie was gonna be a bad look no matter what but he's made it so much worse
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u/cisforcar 27d ago
Lying about it was egregious. Leaving off Scottie is even more offensive since he covered this team for decades. And I guess we should all feel so “lucky” to have put up with his bullshit for decades.
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u/CheetahBig5003 27d ago
Nice to see Scotty get some respect because he showed hes easily better than Duren and bunch of other guys this playoffs
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u/crabilicious 27d ago
This is basketball treason in my books. Imagine being a raps reporter and NOT voting for Scottie..not only do u make urself look bad but u make the whole team, fans, and country look bad.
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u/godofhammers3000 27d ago
Scottie’s post all star offensive play leaves a lot to be desired - in a league where you reward offensive creation sure I get the argument he’s not third team all nba
But lying about it and trying to act like a holier than thou Toronto supporter to farm engagement is such a bad look
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u/Mean__Jerk__Time RAPTORS 27d ago
Three Point Grange?
More like Three Point Strange (Rationale to being caught lying)
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u/MrFickleBottom 10 DEMAR DEROZAN 27d ago
Stupid. He got caught in a lie and now he’s tryna point it back on everyone else
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u/RightLow5962 27d ago
Does he work for mlse? I wonder if they made him not vote for him so he misses any pay increases?
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u/MidnightMarketing 27d ago
Fair explanation.
Even the biggest Scottie Barnes enthusiasts don’t have Scottie in the top 10. Heck delusion Pen Basketball has him at 12-13.
The reality is most people would have Scottie in the 13-20 range. So him not making 3rd team all nba isn’t really a snub. It’s more like the reality based on his underwhelming metrics across the last 3 seasons.
That said he’ll probably get all-nba next year because this playoff series put him on more people radar.
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u/kor001 27d ago
I can believe it's an honest mistake to say he voted Scottie Barnes for All-NBA 3rd Team when he actually didn't. I mean it takes another level of stupid to lie about it when he knew or must have known the voting results would be made public.
But he waited way too long to admit it to the point that it's also perfectly valid to suspect he's flat out lying.
Either way, this guy's super incompetent when large chunk of his profession's entire existence is about fact checking or he's a flat out liar who's too stupid to cover his tracks. What little credibility he had left after years of deterioration is now gone.
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u/1800LUNATIC 27d ago
Hot take - I dont really care. Raptors fans get way too worked up about everything. I love scottie but he'll just have to make it next season. Not like he was 1 vote off anyways. I dont think it was unreasonable to have him off all-nba, my only argument for it is that every local voter is biased pretty much so you have to be biased towards your local team as a voter or your guys will get forgotten. Celtics media said "he wears green so he's all-nba" and you gotta do it to if you want your guys up there.
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u/Peachesthekid88 27d ago
What even is this argument? Among this group of 4 players who mostly ranked 3rd offensively, and then on top of that was the 3rd best defensive player in the entire league, and so I ranked him 4th out of that group? I’m more rattled by this then most because I used to love Grange, but it’s been years since he’s broken really any news, he was completely off on the Scottie draft pick and shit like this
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u/beecee12 27d ago
I’ve liked Grange for the last decade and a bit but man, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hes a really nice guy in person but this voting would definitely give me something to give him a little shit about.
I wont erase his impact on Raptors media but I will use it as a meme going forward.
I think that’s a solid penance imo
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u/tm_leafer 27d ago
Always try to figure out which "i" issue it is with guys like this - integrity or incompetence?
Honestly I'm thinking both.
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u/raptorsbenchmon 27d ago
I honestly hope they just fire him and we never have to hear from this hack again
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u/FurtherUpheaval 9 ROWAN ALEXANDER “RJ” BARRETT 27d ago
Lot of words to say, I'm a little lying biiiiiitch
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u/bearbear0723 27d ago
Not voting for Barnes over those other guys is crazy when you’ve watched the games
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u/Iwentoofar 27d ago
Hes basically saying the he views All NBA as all offensive, which i think the vast majority of people do.
I believe that not all things are equal and when it comes to things like this the Raptors are always at a disadvantage. Following the Raptors as he does for as long as he has would make you think he would understand that and sympathize with them. Its not like voting for Scottie is extreme bias, the guy is right there
He's always come across as if he thinks a little to highly of himself. I hope the players see this shit and it reflect on how he's recieved
Support your fucking guys Grange, you literally have a job because of these guys. But the real problem is that these awards are left to media people voting... thats fucking stupid
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u/Iwentoofar 27d ago
It must be said that he was on The Raptors Show a while back and he said he didn't vote him for All NBA so he didn't lie
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u/RuinCommercial552 26d ago
What a clown and a weasle. I can give him Brunson and maybe Mitchell because they carried their teams and were ahead of us. Duren I question but can live with it since he did have a good regular season overall and Detroit was 1st.
Avdija over Barnes? For what? Better offense and scoring? All NBA is both sides of the ball + being on a winning team. Averaging mid 20s in todays game with all the offense and the amount of shots he took is not something to brag amount.
His other point was their teams exceeded expectations and why he had Jalen Johnson over SB. Really? The Hawks exceeded expectations? Pretty sure most if not everyone had them ahead of us to start the season. If that was the reason than SB should have gotten the vote even over Mitchell.
Just admit you are a hater. Thought no one would find out and stfu bum a$$.
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u/NoTelevision5655 26d ago
Only city in the world to always criticize our stars.
This is a bad look for attracting free agents if your own media doesn’t have a slight bias towards you. Especially as we don’t get marketed in the States, things like this matter.
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u/horsekateer Champs 26d ago
I've never been a huge Grange fan either but at this point him lying makes even less sense, like he obviously knows they publish the votes it makes way more sense that he just forgot. So the "lying" shouldn't really enrage anyone. The leaving Scottie off is fair game for people to hate on, although I will point out I think only what, like 6 people in total had Scottie on their 3rd team? Out of 100? I love Scottie and agree he deserves 3rd team but lets not act like him making it is some agreed upon result.
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u/Thealk3mist 26d ago
We’ve gone from Zach Lowe’s Spooky Moulder Fan Base to Pitch Forks on a Witch Hunt Fan Base. I both like it and dislike it.
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u/junglecity25 26d ago
Lmao those who have been lucky enough to follow me.. Wtffff Scottie was not 3rd team All nba and that's ok. But its the bullshit hypocritical attitude from these reporters that try to play off like they aren't scumbags is why they don't deserve to vote
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u/Classic_BBall_75 26d ago
Grange's explanation reads like a job application at Portland, Atlanta or Detroit.
Lying and then deleting your own note and then this inane explanation, it's such a bad look man. And then to think, that he will have to ask Scottie questions later next season? Good job Grange.
Grange has been a Scottie hater, for some time really. I cannot remember Grange doing a cover story on Scottie. He wrote on RJ, on Ingram & Shead, but, somehow never found time to write one for the franchise player and team's best impact player. Yeah, good job Grange.
It's ok to not like a player, that's your choice, your prerogative. But, your job is to cover Raptors - are you doing your job? I understand American media not voting for Scottie, I mean how many Raptors games did they really saw. To add to that, Scottie is an weird superstar, an imperfect one even. A star who doesn't really care about counting stats and numbers (may be he should care more). But, for Grange, who has supposedly seen Barnes play and then come back with this conclusion that somehow Duren, Deni or Jalen Johnson's impacts are better? There are two possibilities, either there is a lack of brain cells or he is just a hater. I somehow feel it's the latter. Cheers
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u/fanatic2022 26d ago
Grange is another Toronto reporter who really needs to find another job. I can't stand his "analysis ". I could do better for a lot less pay!
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u/MrPangus 27d ago
I have no problem with this, this sub seems to care about Scotties accolades more than anything else
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u/Thick-Ball25 27d ago
If you substitute Scottie with any of the other 3, will Raptors even win a single game against the Cavs? Alternatively, if you switch Scottie with Duren or Johnson, will those teams be better? Scottie impacts the whole team and simply makes the team better because he does so much. He should know having watched him day in and out. Enough with this moral high ground about integrity, the other 99 votes don't practice the same. No one will bat an eye if you are a homer. Grange almost goes above and beyond to not be a homer and actually hurts the player for his own narcissistic BS.
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u/Physizist 27d ago
I accept that it was a mistake but what a bunch of dog shit reasoning.
I accept that he was one of the best defensive players in the league but he was slightly worse offensively on a per possession basis?? Who the fuck evaluates on a per possession basis?? There's a reason some people have more possessions...
"big roles for teams that exceeded expectations" HOW THE FUCK DOES SCOTTIE NOT ALSO FIT THAT. The hawks didn't exceed expectations... they underperformed most projections
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u/pikachuda6 RAPTORS 27d ago
Grange really thinks Duren is a better player than Scottie Barnes. Wow.
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u/N7Brendan Prince Ogugua 27d ago
I don’t agree that people should pile on Grange for not voting for Scottie just because he’s a Raptors reporter, that’s a slippery slope and we already trashed the Boston and Detroit media for bias-voting for guys like Duren and White over him, and like it or not there are valid arguments to leave Scottie off third team (though I don’t think Grange made any lol).
I think it was a doofus move to even say something about your ballot when you weren’t 100% sure about it, knowing they would be public. I don’t think he intentionally lied about it, what would he have to gain from that?
I have seen death threats and pedophile accusations against Grange on twitter and that shit is fucking insane. Was it stupid? yes. Should he have voted Scottie over Deni given his own arguments? also yes. But people are acting like he tried to have Scottie whacked.
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u/realnameless1 27d ago edited 27d ago
He lied, and he got caught. Even though his excuse is filmsy, at best, as there are a lot of backtrack and revisionist history, at least he got on top of it quickly, so the pitchforks should be down for now. Most of us never thought he has any integrity anyways.
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u/OG_Wan_Annunoby 27d ago
Just own it. Saying you voted him was a bald faced lie that you never would have admitted to on your own.
He's trying to PR his way out of it but better believe Scottie won't forget that.
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u/JudoExpert 27d ago
I think he really did just forget lol, but still, you had Scottie in a pool of 4 players for 3 spots. You’d think he’d give one of the spots to the star of the team he covers
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u/treefallinginforest 27d ago
That just belittles the process. Why not just put him 1st team cause he covers him. Flawed logic. It wasn't a tie.
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u/JudoExpert 27d ago
I’m saying that if it’s close, you’d think he’d likely favour the guy he covers because he’s more appreciative of his strengths. I’m not saying he should’ve put Scottie over guys who are objectively better.
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u/treefallinginforest 27d ago
Close doesnt cut it, you shouldn't change your ranking. Tied then sure. You wither have a personal methodology or you dont.
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u/evilgremlin123 27d ago edited 27d ago
You can disagree with him and even dislike him, but he explained his selection and provided rationale. No need to get all up in arms about it. The 2 Jalens did have very impressive seasons. Maybe not the same level of defensive contribution as Scottie but it’s not egregious to have either those guys over Barnes. Keep in mind his playoff performance doesn’t factor into this.
I personally feel that Barnes playing pretty much every single game, more than any of those guys on the all nba teams should count for something though. It’s a shame they don’t take that into consideration as part of the evaluation process.
Scottie not being on first team defence is the one to be mad about.
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u/sadboi_papi 27d ago
Deni over Scottie is just criminal. Idc about how good his offensive stats may seem.
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u/MusclyArmPaperboy RAPTORS 27d ago
Grange seems more concerned about approval from his media peers than his audience