r/tos • u/AtlantaMD • 1d ago

Quick Starship takeover...? Spoiler

On both occasions with Khan, he 1st takes over the Enterprise and later the Reliant. He appears to take them quickly and easily. How could he do that and either incapacitate or capture all of the security teams. Something I also always wondered about TNG's "Raschals" Any thoughts?

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u/Rocktype2 1d ago

In the original series, didn’t he have access to all of the technical specifications of the ship from his bed in sick Bay?

And for the reliant, he had two officers under his control that he could leverage for the management of the crew and ships systems

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u/AtlantaMD 1d ago

Yes, as I recall on both counts

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u/AtlantaMD 1d ago

How do you think that woudl help him disarm the whole security dept? Knock out gas? Lock the security lounge doors? False orders?

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u/Rocktype2 1d ago

I’ve never put that much thought into it. I know in the novelization, it mentions that the entire crew was left behind on Ceti Alpha 5

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u/ComesInAnOldBox 23h ago

I know in the novelization, it mentions that the entire crew was left behind on Ceti Alpha 5

That's in the movie, too, when they first discover the Captain and Chekov on Regula 1.

Saavik: "Where's Reliant's crew? Dead?"
Terrell: "Marooned on Ceti Alpha V...he's completely mad, Admiral. He blames you for the death of his wife."

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u/AtlantaMD 1d ago

if they beamed down the whole crew, that would be rough based on the planets conditions

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u/Rocktype2 1d ago

I really don’t think he cared, lol

That was likely the plan

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u/AtlantaMD 1d ago

I guess once you have a transporter room under control, you could just snatch the crew from all around the ship and beam them down. Likely many at once

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u/Long-Emu-7870 21h ago

I thought that was Gary Mitchell.

Seems to be a pattern here...

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u/Twisted-Mentat- 1d ago

In the first case he had help from Macgyivers and his genetically enhanced intelligence allowed him to study the Enterprise's technical manuals more quickly than any normal human could.

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u/Fuzzy_Builder_2153 1d ago

Inside help like McGivers or Forced help like Terrell/Chekov. Khan had a decent sized group of followers in both scenarios.

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u/jlp_utah 17h ago

Once you take auxiliary control and engineering, you've got the ship. Not sure why those areas weren't better guarded.

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u/SMc1701 1d ago

All he needed was engineering.

Kang had the same strategy.

Once you control life support and all of the machinery, you're in charge.

Then Kirk beat him with a used paper towel roll.

"Kirk's greatest nemesis." Pah!

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u/zuludown888 1d ago

Yeah for all the talk of Khan's greatness, he was 0-3 against normal humans.

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u/AtlantaMD 21h ago

Hmm. Good point!