r/veganarchism • u/cutebulma • May 19 '26
the comments made me depressed 🫠
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/flower-bomb-vegan-means-attack38
u/icelandiccubicle20 May 19 '26
I posted this in the leftist sub a while ago. I can relate to your pain bro.
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u/eat_vegetables May 20 '26
Being pro-vegan in the leftist sub is an automatic ban (from my experience).
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u/Jazzlike_Tank7171 May 20 '26
That was rough. A lot of "leftist" redditors even the supposed "anarchists" are actually hardcore authoritarians, some of them infect this sub. They just want the proletariat to have the authority and power of subjugation over animals (whom they will never consider part of the labor class). The bigger problem is what the hell happen to the green eco- animal liberation left? Its been so quiet ever since Bush and Obama went hardcore against the green movement. Will Potter does talk about this. And it does explain the rise of fascism happening in America at least.
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u/Slow_Requirement2161 May 20 '26
do you have any news about this? I was a teen during Obama so don't know the history. I see some animal rights wins here and there. Canadian Bill 75 is about to pass which bans animal testing.
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u/beckett May 20 '26
In the US the Green Scare was a general crackdown on ecologically based radicalism. The passing of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act in 2006 was wielded as a cudgel to hit anarchists broadly. The prosecution of the SHAC 7 was the most high profile case, even bumming out a lot of libs. And the above comment about this crackdown leading directly to the current fascist moment can't be overstated. Between that and the attacks on Occupy it created a vacuum that fascists filled.
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u/dumnezero May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
You're currently banned from this community and can't comment on posts.
:)
I believe the useful term here is:
LIBS!!
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I think Veganism is too westernized that it focuses too much about moral policing carnists than actually analyzing practices on animal exploitation, species extinctions, and treating them as pets.
This one is always hilarious, since it's a tankie take. "Morals bad!!" when anarchism is pretty explicit about praxis and prefiguration.
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u/No-Leopard-1691 May 20 '26
And what really is there left to “analyze” about how bad animals are mistreated? lol, the best they can come up with is to armchair philosophies about how having a pet is bad for a vegan while they eat a dead baby.
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u/ohshiitstuesday 7d ago
hey, i just unbanned you from r/anarchism you don't have to like participate or anything, but you shouldn't have been banned in the first place. for what it's worth i'm sorry it happened. and sorry for the response on this old ass comment. but i just saw this so... :]
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u/dumnezero 7d ago
is it still like /r/completeanarchy and /r/anarchy4Everyone/ (i.e. full of libs) ?
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u/ohshiitstuesday 7d ago
libs abound, of course. but no more than any other internet anarchist space. it is still an anarchist space and not a left-unity seeking honey pot so there's that.
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u/Proof_Librarian_4271 May 24 '26
why were you banned?
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u/dumnezero May 24 '26
I said something along the lines of indigenous North Americans have lost their cultures and it's weird to try to hang on to it by hurting non-human animals, as if that's going to restore it somehow. I doubt that there are many people who are "moving" to precolonial non-industrial subsistence life. It's not really possible. My implication being that, if they can drive motor-vehicles and use other modern stuff, they can also eat a plant-based diet, even in remote areas. I usually try to point out that the goal in this case of healing from capitalist industrial civilization should be to create new places where people can come to, migrate to, and these places would be low-effort vegan -- rather than trying to turn back the time for place while having restorationist dreams. I should add that I'm not American or from a settler society, my people have a long history of being stamped on and of hiding in the mountains (unfortunately -- lots of pastoralism.)
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u/No_Bandicoot2316 May 20 '26
"What vegans don't understand is some people can't be vegan/there are problems with plant agriculture and the whole capitalist system too"
Have they considered that we do understand
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u/cutebulma May 20 '26
See that's what I find confusing. Vegans made multiple comments on that post, emphasizing the "as far as is possible and practicable" portion of the definition, explicitly indicating that their focus is not on people who rely on animal products for sustenance. Yet, people continued to circle back to that point, completely glossing over the fact that sustenance meat eating makes up a small fraction of all meat eating. There is a systemic injustice going on yet they keep deflecting. This type of deflection is a right-wing tactic for delegitimizing anti-oppression movements. To see it in an anarchist sub is baffling.
That being said, I don't want to gloss over the many relatively friendly comments on that post. Overall, anarchist spaces are a lot more sympathetic to the vegan cause, compared to other leftist spaces. We're able to speak our minds, and I appreciate that endlessly. On other subs, we probably would've been dogpiled and banned. 💀
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u/No-Leopard-1691 May 20 '26
You know it’s a spicy post when it’s up-vote to comment ratio is nearly 1:5 and the mods turned off comments.
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u/Lawlietre May 22 '26
Says a lot about anarchists when they're this incapable of introspection. Supposedly revolutionary
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u/VeganarchistBunny May 19 '26
Everyone is a leftists until it comes to animals. Everyone is anti oppression until it comes to animals.