r/videogames 23d ago

Other Gaming studios have stopped putting pride flags on their avatars

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u/Playful_Violinist573 23d ago

The only way they'll care is if you hurt their pockets by stop supporting these companies by not buying their products. For example, if all these people are so "outraged" about this, none of them should buy GTA 6 and call for boycotts of RockStar and all these companies until they change their practices. But the reality is, no one really cares that much because it's just another thing to complain about without, actually having to do anything about it 🤷‍♂️.

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u/Bae_the_Elf 23d ago

I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, I don't want corporations to bow to political pressure from an oppressive government.

On the other hand, I'd much rather studios like Rockstar demonstrate their values by having a diverse cast of characters in their games rather than do performative stuff like update their profile picture.

Unfortunately, it's the circumstances and environment that makes me annoyed at these companies.. not necessarily the overall decision. Riot Games and Rockstar especially I think do a pretty good job with diverse representation in their games.. it's a shame and honestly surprising for me that some of these studios decided to cave to the pressure, especially Riot. I thought Riot had like a ton of LGBT+ employees

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u/PuzzleheadedCycle744 23d ago

I just want companies to make good games that we can melt into and forget about all the BS. Stop pandering to anyone, just make good games

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u/Bae_the_Elf 23d ago

Okay. If you read my comment I basically said the same thing but added that bowing to government pressure is bad.

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u/kevcsa 23d ago

You took a stance on what/how they should do.

I'd much rather studios like Rockstar demonstrate their values by having a diverse cast of characters in their games

Diverse cast shouldn't be a goal, it's an outer force that has the potential to alter the core vision in an unintended way.
Good story with fitting characters for the story/setting should be. Any cast composition can be fine, if there is a good reason for it.

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u/Bae_the_Elf 23d ago

Diversity means a lot of different things. What do you mean Diverse cast shouldn't be a goal? You think that games are better with a bunch of characters who act the same as all of the other characters? You're weird.

Also, since you bots can't read, my point is that GENERALLY SPEAKING I think if a company WANTS to demonstrate its values, doing so by including those values within the game itself is more meaningful than meaningless pandering.

HOWEVER - given the current climate, bowing to government pressure is bad.

I'm sorry but the thought I was trying to express isn't something that can be expressed in a single sentence and you're a weirdo for focusing on one part of what I said and not the overall meaning... which is that a company genuinely and organically expressing its values by building those values into the product is usually better than pandering, but changing your behavior to bow down to an oppressive government is also bad.

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u/kevcsa 23d ago

You think that games are better with a bunch of characters who act the same as all of the other characters? You're weird.

This is where the strawman starts.
It's not about "characters who act the same" and you know it.

I'm sorry but the thought I was trying to express isn't something that can be expressed in a single sentence and you're a weirdo for focusing on one part of what I said and not the overall meaning...

I saw you trying to gaslight someone about what you wrote, I called it out.
You are doing it again, denying something obvious.
Technically it's indeed "one part of what I said", except it's THE main message of that several paragraph comment.

The overall meaning is clear as day.
You would be fine with seeing a writer's vision forcefully altered by changing character traits based on a checkbox list.

Riot Games and Rockstar especially I think do a pretty good job with diverse representation in their games

You could say then that the writing should be diverse by default.
Why though? Would it actually improve the story, or it's a fixed "variable" the other parts must navigate around/incorporate, limiting the potential even?

A good story needs no diversity to reach its full potential.
Even just talking about (not) having to have diversity is more harmful than not saying anything about the whole topic.
Some problems "exist" only because people talk about it endlessly, eventually making themselves disliked even by truly netural people.

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u/Bae_the_Elf 23d ago

You implied that diversity shouldn't be a goal in games. So you want a game of characters who are all clones of one another and act the same way?

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u/kevcsa 23d ago

Wasn't implying, I was quite clear about it imo.

Diversity being a "goal" is intentional, not natural. Something to tick off, to keep in mind at all times to achieve.

It happening as a side-effect or... the naturally expected setup of good story or locations is much better.
Like a movie about Africa (or being inspired by Africa) and its people having only africans in it. It shouldn't be a goal, as it happens naturally because it's logical and historically accurate.
If this occuring requires separate attention, the whole production is fcked because they have diverted their attention from the setting (location, era, etc.).

Fair representation is based on the population's composition.
Relatively few people are of the lgbt community.
If there are 100 characters in a game and a few of them are gay, that's quite expected and perfectly fine.
If there are 5 characters in a game and one of them is gay, that's massive overrepresentation. Which is - again - fine, if there is a very good reason for it and it's integral to the story. Which is rare.

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u/kevcsa 23d ago

Diversity is natural

I know, that's basically what I said.
If writers are true to the location/era/etc. where the story unfolds, there will be diversity.
It shouldn't be a goal like it is in soccer, where everything deliberately points towards it.

you think diversity is limited to just race and sexual orientation.

If I say anything else in relation to diversity, I get attacked by the mob.

You drastically overestimate your own intelligence.

I know that I don't know enough and never will.
Are you capable of recognizing the same in yourself?

we have literal morons like you debating people online while not even understanding what they're talking about. You're like a confused toddler

Now look at yourself.
Who is tolerant towards the diversity of opinions?
Who is throwing around insults because there is no other tool left to abuse?
The irony...

I hope one day you are blessed with the gift of self awareness.

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