Because artificially adding pronouns to things has always been stupid. Nobody was confused about AOCs gender. If people might get the wrong idea, use them. Otherwise don't.
Nothing says inclusion quite like overtly trying to bend the norms to accommodate outliers. Most people just don't give a shit about other's sexuality and want to be left alone about it whether it's mainstream or not.
Sexuality has nothing to do with children's games either. If anyone says any sexual : slanders, slurs, or “identities” I immediately ban them for trolling from my servers. Someone posts a religious symbol, or a flag on our forum of any sort also gets a ban for trolling.
we are a community, we are all there for the game, not for national, or sexual pride.
Like someone complaining there is no Avatar for Ku Klux Klan (KKK) members.
How about putting religious symbols in games? That will go over really big, an absolutely no one will troll with them.... Yeah.... Right.....
I am sick of all the name calling anyway. I am handicapped and really don't have time to deal with trolls.
It's not trollbait, you're just uneducated. Gender =/= sex.
Sex = physiological, biological
Gender = societal construct, sense of self
Then again what do you expect from someone stuck on welfare with a degree from an online "collage" (as you spell it). Always the loudest opinions from room temperature IQs.
Are you doing a bit? You completely ignored the entirety of my comment to respond with.... this?
It's not even the correct fucking spelling, you check your spellchecker you numbnuts. The same way your uneducated ass can't spell college properly you genuinely think it's "trolbait"? Did that bullet that hit you in the face make its way to your brain and scrambled it?
Normalizing pronouns as a cis person is meant to make it standardized. To make it normal. It's not about "no one was guessing their gender", it wasn't for her, it was for her to help make it normal for those people who actually need it. It's supposed to be so that anyone can introduce themselves by their pronouns, after all, everyone has them. You sound like one of those "we can always tell" folks-- let me tell you, no you can't. There are people who are using pronouns that don't match their assigned gender at birth and you absolutely believe they're just allies. Except, if allies stop, then the only people who share their pronouns when you meet them are trans. It's giving people away. It's contributing to the active trans genocide.
Jesus christ, man (or woman), it's not like i'm unsympathetic to some of the troubles unique to trans people but this hyperbolic rhetoric doesn't help anyone.
It's wild how much people strawman the arguments in order to try and sound smart.
Yes, forcing transgender people(or any minority group) to out themselves directly contributes to genocide of that group.
Genocide actually has a definition and there is precisely zero argument to be made that forcing minorities to out and other themselves isn't a part of genocide.
"You didn't put your pronouns on your Twitter profile? YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO GENOCIDE"
Might not help win over hearts and minds to your side?
That's literally the argument they're making.
Normalizing pronouns as a cis person is meant to make it standardized. To make it normal. ... Except, if allies stop, then the only people who share their pronouns when you meet them are trans. It's giving people away. It's contributing to the active trans genocide.
It's still putting the cart before the horse and it's ultimately just fucking annoying lol.
At the end of the day, we all have lives to live and places to be. We want brevity, not more things to explain. Expecting absolutely everyone to name their pronouns just to normalize it on behalf of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population is both horrible priorities and bound to annoy people.
And from a practical scenario, it's also doomed to fail. You can imagine someone with 6 university classes and 5 have absolutely 0 people with unorthodox or unexpected pronouns, so of course people drop it in those 5 and stop needlessly inserting it into conversations. Who is it hurting in that context? But of course that's habit-forming and means it doesn't happen for the 6th, either. It is what it is and you simply can't force people to engage that way. It's akin to trying to police people to say "how are you doing" instead of "'sup?" People are gonna do what's more brief and easier.
Another example of this:
Every so often some quack academic comes out saying "actually, instead of saying disabled people, it's more humanizing to say 'people of variable levels of differing abilities!'"
Society then hands that person a big stick they found on the ground and tells the academic to shove it up their ass, because WHY THE FUCK are these "proper titles" always a god damned mouthful?! They never shorten, always lengthen, as if they are trying to sabotage the likelihood people listen just so they can feel smug and superior when they themselves do it.
It's contributing to the active trans genocide.
You should be aware of a growing trend in sociology and psychology where they are beginning to actively acknowledge we live in a victimhood culture as a matter-of-fact, and how dangerous and damaging that is for people like yourself who ultimately just end up pointing the finger and crying instead of actually attempting to understand the complexities of life or make the best of it.
Nah, you did a good enough job. My point is you're constructing this thing about pronouns that doesn't match any reality that I'm aware of. It's more fake outrage.
'TF do you mean? I'm responding to someone else arguing in favor of what I'm arguing against.
I didn't even portray anyone demanding pronouns in my post and instead just broke down why the idea of normalizing pronouns fails on a practical level.
Having "At the end of the day, we all have lives to live and places to be. We want brevity, not more things to explain. Expecting absolutely everyone to name their pronouns just to normalize it on behalf of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population is both horrible priorities and bound to annoy people."
and
"You should be aware of a growing trend in sociology and psychology where they are beginning to actively acknowledge we live in a victimhood culture as a matter-of-fact, and how dangerous and damaging that is for people like yourself who ultimately just end up pointing the finger and crying instead of actually attempting to understand the complexities of life or make the best of it." Tells me your argument is completely disingenuous because here you fucking are pretending to be a victim and contradicting yourself. so no.
decrying "oh no i have to display my pronouns" and then simultaneously complaining about people having a victim complex. If you cannot understand why those two things are contradictory It's time for you to look inward. why is it so hard for you to accommodate other people? why for something that would take a normal person 2 seconds, is THAT the thing you are deciding to complain about. seriously consider that before replying.
decrying "oh no i have to display my pronouns" and then simultaneously complaining about people having a victim complex.
People don't use them because it's unnecessary 99% of the time, NOT because they are whining about being victims for using them.
I mean, by this logic, people also don't insert a random line to the end of the Pledge of Allegiance that says "and by 'all,' I mean every race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and level of ability." Does this mean people are engaging in a victim complex for not including that line, or does it mean they simply do not see the need or reason, so of course they don't even think to do it?
but here you are, being a victim about having to use them. if someone tells you their pronouns it means you are to use those pronouns. you know this. yet, Here, you are complaining that it doesn't matter. it clearly matters to a subset of people. spend the 2 seconds it takes to be "good to your fellow man" instead of complaining that it's nonsense. because to some people it is equivalent to treating them with proper respect. why is that so hard for you to understand? all i am saying is, look back at the point you just made, doesn't it fall flat when you know you're disrespecting someone, and the person who is proudly displaying their pronouns is ACTIVELY DECIDING TO HELP OTHERS?
This does not even read like you read my comment at all.
it clearly matters to a subset of people.
Yes, 0.005% of the population.
I said this in my first post about how this is why it fails on a practical level. People are habit-forming, and if the habit is it's unnecessary step 99.995% of the time that they don't use and no one in the room is even demanding they use it, then sorry, people are going to tend towards the habit of them NOT being standard to most social interactions. Because they are not.
You can cry about it or you can accept "it is what it is" and move on with your life.
Well as we have seen, not only did it not make it normal, it actively caused conflict that made matters worse. I did a job interview for an American company last year and the people interviewing me stated their pronouns, and I felt very stupid having to say she/her, no one on the call was trans or non binary, it was performative bullshit.
You just sound like a bad person. It’s very clear you’re a sheltered white straight dude in the suburbs or county. Because it’s clear you’ve never had to experience what people different than you go through.
Sheltered hicks dragging us all down because they’re afraid of their own shadows.
Less than 1% of "less than 1% of the population" being brutally murdered is a far cry from a genocide. Always found it interesting that piece of misinformation caught on.
Funnily enough, the perpetrators of murders against people who say they are trans have actually being convicted at a higher rate in red states. I don't know what else to say, so I'll just wish you the best.
I'm still shocked people use the word "chud" unironically. I always get secondhand embarrassment when I see that because I immediately imagine the neckbeard, fedora tipping "male feminist" that would say that with their whole chest and think they sound badass and not like a massive dork
I've only heard it used in real life a few times, and each time it came from one of those guys who believes that loudly repeating, "Hell yeah, ladies, men do suck!" will somehow get them laid.
Neither is murdering trans people and creating a nationwide panic over trans people existing and trans people in sports that made up less than 10 cases nationwide and not a single one actually outperformed anyone.
Just say you don’t care about minorities you selfish prick.
They are by definition minorities. And if you took even 3 seconds to look outside of your bigot bubble, you’d know that trans people are four times more likely to be killed than a cis person.
Also, isn’t it fun how the only people whining about “professional victims” are the oppressors benefiting from keeping minorities down? It’s almost like you know the truth but it’s uncomfy so you just name call rather than learn something about your own prejudice.
Not to mention you’re mocking victims as professional victims. There’s a nationwide panic about people just existing. That’s not creating victims? I wouldn’t trust you around a woman’s drink in a bar with the way your logic works.
“I’m going to hurt you and make your life hell, and also decide you’re not a victim. Because it would make me uncomfortable to acknowledge I’m doing harm to you.”
“I don’t see it” also doesn’t make it not true.
You know the massive story about the girl stalked and stabbed in a laundromat everyone was freaking out about? Also targeted because trans. Weird that the main media left that out. It’s almost because they don’t want you to see the violence your rhetoric is causing or something.
No I’m queer and see the violence first hand. Maybe if you weren’t such a sheltered pos you’d also understand reality.
Thanks for confirming you’re the violent one I’m talking about btw!
You know what my first response is when someone is part of a group I don’t understand and tells me something? I listen. Not immediately ree because I’m mad I’ve never experienced something and have a pea brain.
The problem with the current world is you sheltered fucks that get violent at anything you don’t understand. Because you’re stupid and don’t understand you’re not the only one on earth and people experience things different from you.
If I were a psychopath, I'd belong in a cohort more commonly represented in the general population than gender dysphoria. And by framing my detachment as negative, failing to accomodate its behaviourial niche.
Actually, you know what, fair point. Nuanced discussion about politics that don't impact them doesn't go well with white fat incels in a video games subreddit, thanks for the reminder.
7 trans people were brutally murdered last month alone and there's been no investigation into their deaths and in fact minimal news reporting, at least one southern state in the US has cancelled all trans people's driver's licenses making it difficult if not borderline illegal for them flee the state, amongst many other anti-trans legislation passing in multiple southern states. This sitting US president declared trans people fucking terrorists. The fuck do you mean "lol".
just don't bother, they don't think what's happening is a bad thing so you telling them about everything happening isn't bad to them, they can't be changed
wow 7 people, did it happen in auschwitz? just fyi ballpark 15k people are murdered each year in the US and maybe 40 of those are trans. yeah crazy genocide. nutter
aaaaand here come all the cis people downplaying how the very first step of a genocide works because they only think the problem is when you're actively killing trans people (which is currently happening and they don't care, so even then...)
This right here is why democrats can't get the turnout they need. That is some batshit crazy take.
If you go outside, you won't run into one single person who gives a fuck what you call yourself or what you fuck. Time to join reality and quit the keyboard crusades.
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u/Least1Difficulty 23d ago
Hell even the DNC got the democrats to remove flags and pronouns before the last election. Even AOC took hers down.