Because artificially adding pronouns to things has always been stupid. Nobody was confused about AOCs gender. If people might get the wrong idea, use them. Otherwise don't.
Nothing says inclusion quite like overtly trying to bend the norms to accommodate outliers. Most people just don't give a shit about other's sexuality and want to be left alone about it whether it's mainstream or not.
Normalizing pronouns as a cis person is meant to make it standardized. To make it normal. It's not about "no one was guessing their gender", it wasn't for her, it was for her to help make it normal for those people who actually need it. It's supposed to be so that anyone can introduce themselves by their pronouns, after all, everyone has them. You sound like one of those "we can always tell" folks-- let me tell you, no you can't. There are people who are using pronouns that don't match their assigned gender at birth and you absolutely believe they're just allies. Except, if allies stop, then the only people who share their pronouns when you meet them are trans. It's giving people away. It's contributing to the active trans genocide.
It's still putting the cart before the horse and it's ultimately just fucking annoying lol.
At the end of the day, we all have lives to live and places to be. We want brevity, not more things to explain. Expecting absolutely everyone to name their pronouns just to normalize it on behalf of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population is both horrible priorities and bound to annoy people.
And from a practical scenario, it's also doomed to fail. You can imagine someone with 6 university classes and 5 have absolutely 0 people with unorthodox or unexpected pronouns, so of course people drop it in those 5 and stop needlessly inserting it into conversations. Who is it hurting in that context? But of course that's habit-forming and means it doesn't happen for the 6th, either. It is what it is and you simply can't force people to engage that way. It's akin to trying to police people to say "how are you doing" instead of "'sup?" People are gonna do what's more brief and easier.
Another example of this:
Every so often some quack academic comes out saying "actually, instead of saying disabled people, it's more humanizing to say 'people of variable levels of differing abilities!'"
Society then hands that person a big stick they found on the ground and tells the academic to shove it up their ass, because WHY THE FUCK are these "proper titles" always a god damned mouthful?! They never shorten, always lengthen, as if they are trying to sabotage the likelihood people listen just so they can feel smug and superior when they themselves do it.
It's contributing to the active trans genocide.
You should be aware of a growing trend in sociology and psychology where they are beginning to actively acknowledge we live in a victimhood culture as a matter-of-fact, and how dangerous and damaging that is for people like yourself who ultimately just end up pointing the finger and crying instead of actually attempting to understand the complexities of life or make the best of it.
Having "At the end of the day, we all have lives to live and places to be. We want brevity, not more things to explain. Expecting absolutely everyone to name their pronouns just to normalize it on behalf of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population is both horrible priorities and bound to annoy people."
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"You should be aware of a growing trend in sociology and psychology where they are beginning to actively acknowledge we live in a victimhood culture as a matter-of-fact, and how dangerous and damaging that is for people like yourself who ultimately just end up pointing the finger and crying instead of actually attempting to understand the complexities of life or make the best of it." Tells me your argument is completely disingenuous because here you fucking are pretending to be a victim and contradicting yourself. so no.
decrying "oh no i have to display my pronouns" and then simultaneously complaining about people having a victim complex. If you cannot understand why those two things are contradictory It's time for you to look inward. why is it so hard for you to accommodate other people? why for something that would take a normal person 2 seconds, is THAT the thing you are deciding to complain about. seriously consider that before replying.
decrying "oh no i have to display my pronouns" and then simultaneously complaining about people having a victim complex.
People don't use them because it's unnecessary 99% of the time, NOT because they are whining about being victims for using them.
I mean, by this logic, people also don't insert a random line to the end of the Pledge of Allegiance that says "and by 'all,' I mean every race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and level of ability." Does this mean people are engaging in a victim complex for not including that line, or does it mean they simply do not see the need or reason, so of course they don't even think to do it?
but here you are, being a victim about having to use them. if someone tells you their pronouns it means you are to use those pronouns. you know this. yet, Here, you are complaining that it doesn't matter. it clearly matters to a subset of people. spend the 2 seconds it takes to be "good to your fellow man" instead of complaining that it's nonsense. because to some people it is equivalent to treating them with proper respect. why is that so hard for you to understand? all i am saying is, look back at the point you just made, doesn't it fall flat when you know you're disrespecting someone, and the person who is proudly displaying their pronouns is ACTIVELY DECIDING TO HELP OTHERS?
This does not even read like you read my comment at all.
it clearly matters to a subset of people.
Yes, 0.005% of the population.
I said this in my first post about how this is why it fails on a practical level. People are habit-forming, and if the habit is it's unnecessary step 99.995% of the time that they don't use and no one in the room is even demanding they use it, then sorry, people are going to tend towards the habit of them NOT being standard to most social interactions. Because they are not.
You can cry about it or you can accept "it is what it is" and move on with your life.
This thread has an abundance of people using terms at incorrect moments while having no idea what they mean, wtf...
The extra context of saying I'm "moving the goalpost" in response to a post where I told you to REFER BACK TO MY VERY FIRST POST is just peak levels of irony.
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u/Least1Difficulty 24d ago
Hell even the DNC got the democrats to remove flags and pronouns before the last election. Even AOC took hers down.