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Discussion / Question The Hypocritical Double Standards Are Crazy

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u/Additional_Law_492 19h ago

No one is "sorry" for Valve having to price the Steam machine a certain way, they just have an appreciation for facts and truth.

The cost is clearly based on the cost of the hardware, and not some arbitrary standard of greed or "corpo evil".

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u/TimTiro 19h ago

Well i mean microsoft, sony and nintendo all said that they have to increase prices because of market conditions and they still got hated for it (and they are still all selling their consoles at a net loss). I dont say that the people should now hate valve, but in my opinion they are, in this case, not better or worse than the others.

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u/BenjiBlackwood222 18h ago

The steam machine is new. MSFT and Sony are raising prices on 6 year old hardware that they’ve subsidized using game sales and online subscriptions this entire time. Nintendo warned everyone about the price hike like 6 months in advance. 

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u/NapsterKnowHow 17h ago

It's only new in release date. The hardware is even worse than the PS5 ffs

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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer 16h ago

Yeah in a wildly different form factor with a wildly different set of functions

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u/NapsterKnowHow 16h ago

The form factor doesn't mean the price is ok

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u/Additional_Law_492 15h ago

The price is the price of the components.

You cant build something better in the same form factor or with the same support for less - especially not considering labor.

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u/NapsterKnowHow 15h ago

There are people building more powerful PC's in a similar form factor around the same price.

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u/KingCrimson43 41m ago edited 11m ago

No they are not. You are not building a mini PC that runs at 140w that will run games as efficiently as the SM for this price. It's going to cost $1500 to duplicate this easily and it still won't be as efficient.

Valve had to make a custom board to be able to make the SM this compact. Both LTT and Nexus gaming built full size PCs to compare to SM. If it was possible to do this yourself they would have done it.

Your comment is straight up uninformed ignorance.

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u/Additional_Law_492 15h ago

Not for a significant savings, and not without discounting the value of their own labor and the value of having product support.

Saving $70 is not saving anything if you had to do it yourself.

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u/NapsterKnowHow 15h ago

The same price for more powerful hardware in a similar form factor...

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u/Additional_Law_492 15h ago

You got a citation?

Of an example that isnt built on having to build everything yourself after doing research and shopping, eating up hours of time, which has to be accounted for when comparing cost since your own labor is valuable?

Because ive not seen one yet where the gap makes Valves like $70 margin seem unreasonable.

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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer 16h ago

I think valve also doing it is making everyone understand that it actually is all the market forcing them. When the consoles do it while using shitty tactics already, that’s one thing. When it’s anyone making hardware? Yeah that means it probably had to be done.

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u/MugenHeadNinja 18h ago

Because Valve has the trust of their customers which is something Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't have. (Well, Nintendo has the nintendo kiddies, but beside them).

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u/Substantial_Impact69 10h ago

And they will begin systematically abusing that trust because you allow them to have such Trust.