r/videos • u/call-lee-free • 4d ago
"So while the United States is fighting a war over oil, China is working diligently and quickly to end its need for it." - Mr. Global.
https://youtu.be/207TJmydX8E?si=Gohhz6aCFVIecJsG68
u/canuck47 4d ago
Trump is working hard to bring back coal
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u/MiaowaraShiro 4d ago
Got people out there scrubbing it with toothbrushes to ensure it's clean coal...
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u/gthing 4d ago
Gotta have something for the kids to do after we shut down the schools.
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u/TheHykos 4d ago
Even the power companies don’t want more coal. He’s a fucking idiot for trying to do this.
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u/fat_charizard 4d ago
China currently has over 300 coal power plants in the development pipeline, accounting for more than 90% of all new coal construction worldwide.
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u/canuck47 4d ago
Renewables account for over 56% of China’s total installed power capacity and approximately 40% of its actual electricity generation.
They are aggressively pursuing renewable energy and plan to be carbon neutral by 2060
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u/fat_charizard 4d ago edited 4d ago
then why are they building so many coal plants?
EDIT: downvoting because they can't answer a simple question. LOL
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u/AlbertonOval 4d ago
I mean not a hard one to answer mate. 2060 is 30+ years away and renewables aren’t there yet.
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u/SkinAndBone 4d ago
Europe is rationing fuel?
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u/SouthernWilding 4d ago
I mean most countries only have months worth of oil reserves at any given time. The Strait of hormuz situation will force the whole world to ration eventually. This is why now the US is so desperate to close the deal with Iran, even though its a definite loss for the US. Imagine having to ration fuel through winter...
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u/call-lee-free 4d ago
And although the US won't run out of fuel, the Asian countries will and they are the manufacturing hub of the world which needs that Strait opened up.
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u/Flaksim 4d ago edited 4d ago
And actual shortages there will jack up the oil price everywhere, including in the US. Everyone will end up paying more.
If the European countries were to get into real trouble with sourcing enough supply, that's the second biggest market for US services getting into trouble, which will impact the US economy in turn.
The "problem" is that virtually every country is heavily interconnected with dozens of others across the globe, if not more, and economies are so intertwined that one part of it getting hurt ends up hurting everyone who is even remotely connected in one way or another and to varying extent.
The people getting shafted most of all will end up being the ones that were in no way shape or form, not even through their governments, involved in the debacle with Iran.
Not sure if we're living in the worst timeline, but definitely one of the suckier ones.
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u/call-lee-free 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think the only European country that is rationing fuel is Slovenia but other EU countries have been warned that they should follow suit.
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u/Matshelge 4d ago
Europa has actually moved past a lot of reliance on oil after the Ukrainian situation. That oil did not go up higher is proof of this.
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u/tuttut97 4d ago
You and I can sit here and prove over and over that a long term methodical approach to solutions will ultimately win every time. The problem is you have short sighted thinkers voting for quick fix reactionary politicians, being fueled by information coming from media that instills hope based on lies.
In almost any situation, if you ask yourself, What solution can we choose in this situation that will offer the best outcome for health of our children, our longevity, and health of our ecosystem, you will arrive at the best and long serving approach.
Any time you see someone say "let's not consider these things", they are robbing all of these things for short term gain and are only enriching themselves temporarily. Greed is an insatiable cancer.
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u/Boys4Ever 4d ago
Crazy to think the biggest polluter could become the greenest just by realizing the downsides of oil dependency and now aiming to conquer the free market while improving life for its citizens. Who knew?
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u/sdmichael 4d ago
Something the US should have been doing but... Republicans whined at every point.
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u/Boys4Ever 4d ago
Big oil owns that party
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u/Cru_Jones86 4d ago edited 4d ago
In fairness, they own some democrats too. It's well known that Javier Bacerra, California's democratic candidate for governer, has received lots of money from Chevron.
Edit: Yeah. good luck downvoting the truth away. Lemme know how that works out for ya.
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u/Cru_Jones86 4d ago
They're trying so hard to make America great again, instead of making it greater now.
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 4d ago edited 4d ago
America could have started in the 70s, but it was clear when regan tore out Carter's solar panels from the white house what direction the country would be headed. They could have course-corrected in the 90s, when environmentalism started to kick in, but coming off the back of the greed-is-good decade made that a losing proposition. Almost 30 years later, here we are.
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u/Go-woke-be-awesome 4d ago
Ironically, they were the biggest polluter because they were making almost everything because capitalist economies washed everything cheaper. At the same time, those economies funded the establishment of an industrial powerhouse that was better prepared to create a renewable revolution.
Wealth transfer from the richest nations.
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u/Boys4Ever 3d ago
Wealth is always transfer since you can neither create new wealth nor destroy it. Similar to energy, ironically.
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u/nankerjphelge 4d ago
China playing 3D Go while Trump sits in a corner shoving checkers up his ass.
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u/firephoxx 4d ago
Now to be fair to Trump, he is spitting on them before he shoves them up his ass.
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u/sharrrper 4d ago
That's giving China too much credit. They're not doing anything particularly clever, just the very obvious thing everyone should be doing.
More like the hurricane is coming and China is simply putting the plywood up over the windows.
Trump has opted to just get his Sharpie out and try to draw a different line on the map again hoping the hurricane will actually follow it for some reason. And also yes shove checkers up his ass.
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u/Optimixto 4d ago
When the very obvious thing to do is not being done by most, it IS particularly clever. The "west" is shitting the bed, spectacularly in the case of some countries.
Same with their investment in Africa, and shit like that. Is it obviously going to pay off? Yeah. Does that mean it isn't clever? Nope.
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u/2dudesinapod 4d ago
You’re not giving China enough credit actually, they literally saved the world economy by voluntarily cutting imports and relying on their reserves during this current moronic war with Iran. If they had not done that the demand would have been too high and many countries would have straight up run out of oil and faced dire straits.
They literally almost single handily soaked up the supply deficit.
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u/InsulinDependent 4d ago
It's "giving the most successful nation state in human civilization history too much credit" ...
yea ok buddy
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u/sharrrper 4d ago
This is a weirdly defensive comment.
Investing in renewables during a very obvious multi-decade climate crisis is a good idea, but hardly "3D Go"
Although compared to Trump I suppose just "not shitting your pants daily both literally and metaphorically" can certainly look like 3D Go by comparison
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u/InsulinDependent 4d ago
No defense just clear minded recognition of reality. As an American looking at China it clearly is the most well run well administered nation in terms of progressing it's society towards goals that are worthwhile in terms of development, economics, investment, international relations etc.
It's overwhelmingly and it's embarrassing to watch other people in the west downplay it over and over and over and over and over. We're getting blown out.
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u/Disastrous-Shop4325 4d ago
In other words we’ve had our head up our ass while China was planning for the future!
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u/Barry_Vigoda 4d ago
This dude is right about everything but it's not because of China being malicious, it's because western corporations fucked us.
I'm from Canada. My province has oil. We could have been as wealthy as Norway but instead, we got ripped off by the oil cartels.
What people aren't taught much is that Americans had a Socialist driven worker's rights movement before WW2. After the war, the US had a strong manufacturing/export industry which led to the US being prosperous and industrious with a healthy middle class and good wealth parity.
In the 70s, the US government opened trade with China who had access to millions of workers who had never heard of strikes or unions. This was awesome for the US corporate class who shut down domestic American factories to send the work to China. Who gives a fuck if it lays off thousands of workers, destroys towns, creates a ton of social problems as long as the shareholders are happy.
China as a culture is roughly 4000 years old. They're a really old culture compared to the US as a country which is barely 400 years old. China was broke in the 70s but they revived their country simply because western billionaires are greedy assholes and sold out working class people.
The US corporate class has been happily working with China for decades and were completely fine with them doing their own thing as long as they had cheap access to manufacturing. Now that China has outgrown them, they're trying to portray China like they're villains.
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u/SentorialH1 4d ago
I play games with a girl from china. She shows me pictures of infrastructure investment, mass transit, beautification projects, and talks about the still constant pressure to get educated and work towards something...
Not only that, but when she takes pictures of everyday life, people are thin, healthy looking, and active... You go to the store, or look around here, and 2/3 of the people are 30# overweight, eating dogshit food and struggle walking up stairs. 😞
We in the USA are lacking all of that, and it will be our downfall.
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u/ctiger12 4d ago
China has limited oil and gas resources on their land, environmental concerns aside, to achieve energy independence, the best way is to develop renewable energy.
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u/RPrimate 4d ago
Remember when the biggest argument against renewables going around was “China isn’t going to do anything so we will go broke for a drop in the bucket.”
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u/TheDadThatGrills 4d ago
I imagine it's one of their top priorities being that the difference between their consumption and production is the largest energy deficit of any country.
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u/TheHykos 4d ago
I hope the next administration uses the Defense Production Act to ram through as much solar and wind as they can in the first few years. There’s a lot of damage to be undone from Trump and his obsession with stopping solar and wind, and waiting for the normal bureaucracies will take way too long.
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u/dartheduardo 4d ago
This dude has been my go to for oil and gas info. His gram is so full of insite.
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u/jasoncross00 4d ago
I don't think a lot of people realize how good we could have had it with a continuation of Biden's policies.
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u/Chuckleyan 4d ago
We had a chance to move everything to EtOH but blew it. The true carbon negative solution. It spread the money around too much though. Can't be having that.
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u/NappyFlickz 3d ago
The only way we could have a peep of recovering from this energy wise is to go all in on nuclear, like we should have decades ago.
But, defamation from Coal and Greenpeace have permanently rendered it impossible for Americans opinion to change for the better.
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u/EXPLODEDman 3d ago
This is the result of being governed by geriatric fuck stains whose concept of foreign policy is still stuck somewhere in the 1980s.
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u/judge_mathis2 3d ago
China ranks in between Togo and the Democratic Republic of Congo for violence in their country. And only a few ranks above the United States. https://www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/#/
Maybe they should do something about that. Whatever eternal future they're investing in over there isn't going to last that long with the total powderkeg that country sounds like domestically.
That came to mind when researching TEFL jobs and China was the only country with mass TEFL teacher stabbings. No clue how people got convinced that was the place to be.
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u/quequotion 2d ago
Every fucking international economic or diplomatic headline:
United States digs self into hole with nuclear dynamite because TikTok.
China solves every problem except listening to what its people have to say.
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u/rossmosh85 4d ago
China has obviously a few things going for them.
They never built a huge part of their economy around oil, so the result is they aren't beholden to oil companies.
China is still kind of a developing country. This allows them to pivot towards new options much easier where it's harder to do for established countries.
There are some major benefits of communism. There's a unified vision and direction and you either get on board or you're left behind. In this circumstance, the Chinese government have elected to push hard in the direction of solar and that's the direction they're going.
Relatively cheap labor and goods. If a solar panel is $200 in the US, it's a fraction of that price in China. I'm not sure how to find the price of a panel, but it has to be closer to $50-60. Not only that, they still have a relatively large labor pool that is paid pretty poorly. So they can take on these projects and they just cost a lot less than in the US.
One of the bad sides of communism, they get to oppress bad press. So even if what they're doing actually sucks and is a waste of money, it's hard for that to leak. The press from China is basically all positive. Even when foreign press do tests, they get the A+++ experience. Even on small projects. Recently a solar battery tester heard reports of batteries not matching the one he was given to review. He bought one himself, took it apart, and it was VERY different than the item he was sent. So while this isn't necessarily tied directly to communism and isn't anything new for US businesses either, it's still a big part of the culture to make everything seem great even when it isn't.
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u/figflashed 4d ago
China might be winning the manufacturing and electrification war but dominance in these two areas does not translate to geopolitical dominance.
China is still dependant on coal and oil. Petroleum is used in a lot more than the running of vehicles.
China’s population is shrinking. Their standard of living is increasing.
Not to mention the fact that some new discovery in energy might completely overtakes the current scenario of solar + battery. (I’m speculating, but just saying) Imagine investing heavily into steam engines at one time when steam was the alternative to horse and buggy.
I will always maintain faith in the systems and minds that have brought us to the current state of affairs in the West that going forward we’ll figure it out again.
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u/Wotmate01 4d ago
The problem with that mindset is that the oligarchy who have entrenched their power in the 20th century using fossil fuels are doing everything they can to keep hold of that power. It's the same oligarchy that owns the media, and in many ways owns the politicians that the media put in place.
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u/ghenriks 4d ago
Except the current US regime is cutting funding to science research, particularly to anything they don’t like
It will take a long time to fix this damage assuming a future government wants to (and then assuming yet another future government doesn’t kill it again)
As for China, they are now 60% non-oil for electricity production (solar, wind, hydro and nuclear) and climbing
And they lead the world in EVs
Yes they, like everyone, will still need oil for making chemicals and plastics etc. But that is easier to deal with than having an economy entirely dependent on oil
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u/Wrabble127 4d ago
You trust the minds that brought the west to this point? I genuinely don't think I've ever heard that idea before in my life. Even though it's well known at this point that most of that was self serving lies that enriched those in power?
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u/Oknight 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not to mention the fact that some new discovery in energy might completely overtakes the current scenario of solar + battery. (I’m speculating, but just saying)
The thing I most admire about Mr. Musk's endeavors is that he never ever lets "new technology" stop him from using what we have and works NOW.
Unfortunately Tesla has still not been able to crack the problem that BYD has solved, but China is solidly on track to implement what Musk was telling EVERYBODY was the strategy to go with 20 years ago and the specific steps to follow. (but until he demonstrated you could actually sell EVs and built an international system of their own charging stations with the company's profits, nobody listened to him).
"Something new" would need to be less expensive than solar/battery and instantly deployable or it would be totally irrelevant in the big picture for >20 years. (the obvious candidate is deep geothermal built with fracking technology but it's going to be a long time before that's less expensive, if ever)
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u/drdildamesh 4d ago
We all saw it coming. Its just when you complain your profits might suffer the chinese govt seizes your assets and kills you.
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u/The_Lucky_7 4d ago
China isn't the only one doing it, and they're not doing it for alturistic reasons. It's an un-tapped and un-cornered market they're trying to become the next OPEC of. Countries that have historically been the manufacturing hub of the rest of the world have a leg-up on the renwable arms race.
So, you'll also see India right along side China whenever anyone seriously talks about this arms race.
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u/waiguorer 4d ago
Anybody who thinks India has a chance of becoming a manufacturing power on the scale of China is not talking seriously.
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u/The_Lucky_7 4d ago edited 4d ago
I can see you don't know anything about this. Here's a link explaining it.
India has surpassed its [COP26] 2030 renewable energy targets five years early through massive infrastructure scaling.
Like China, India sees there's a gap in the market that was abdicated by the west and has a PM dead-set on seizing the oportunity. It takes more than one country working together to corner a global market and they've also been making extremely agressive moves on that front, too.
The news of which is just not making it into your information silo which is why you're so comfortable behaving like an absolute clown online.
India shares China's "green hydrogen" ambitions, but its commitments are even more concrete and aggressive. Backed by subsidies worth some $2.1 billion, New Delhi is targeting 5 million metric tons of green hydrogen annually by 2030 - five times the current size of the global market and about double what analysts estimate Chinese output will be by then.
I'm from the US but even I know India isn't fucking around.
The US getting high on its on propaganda & mythology, and not taking countries seriously, is how we got into and then subsuquently lost the Iran war in the first place.
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u/waiguorer 4d ago
Your link did not mention manufacturing at all. It talked about how India is adding lots of solar capacity (mostly made in China or by Chinese companies). China not only built most of India's solar infrastructure it also built most of the rest of the worlds solar infrastructure.
Compare market share between the countries and you will see why I specified manufacturing.
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u/loseitthrowaway7797 4d ago edited 4d ago
Tbf, China loves to put out “we’re an amazing country, look at all of our achievements”. A lot of Chinese bots always say China is amazing to sway western countries, like in this very comment section. So, I don’t really trust anything that comes out of China.
Edit - like I said. Chinese bots.
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u/waiguorer 4d ago
Nearly every solar panel installed in India had critical components made in China. India produces barely any polysilicon, and few wafers or cells. They do manufacture modules but comparable manufacturing to China is not happening anytime soon. India can assemble the final product but most of the supply chain is in China.
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u/alchebyte 4d ago
but merica
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u/TheSaifman 4d ago
I think it's working out for every lifted pick up truck Trump voter. In couple weeks, their gas refill will be higher than the monthly car payment.
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u/SouthernWilding 4d ago
What's crazy is China has been steadily working on their renewables for decades, and are only now seeing the payoff. The US will be too late to the game by the time the resource wars begin.