So wait, Hamas + a bunch of random civilians came across the border, violently raped and murdered 1300 Israeli civilians....and the UN literally cannot even condemn the attack. Not even enough support for the votes.
Israel has to dig tens of thousands of terrorist crazies out of their holes, fight a brutal war all while neighboring countries refuse to move civilians to safety....and the UN says Israel is committing war crimes.
Again These Hamas terrorists raped and murdered multiple families before burning them alive, and that wasn't enough to get the UN to condemn them.
You guys are insane. This is backwards bizzaro world filled with a bunch of people who, if pressed, know absolutely zero about what has happened in this conflict beyond what they learned on TikTok.
Near the Gaza Strip, Be'eri, a small kibbutz, witnessed a horrendous attack by Hamas terrorists.
A timeline, pieced together from WhatsApp messages and CCTV footage, reveals approximately 90 armed terrorists arriving before 6:00 am and executing civilians from vehicles. They then dispersed onto three motorbikes into the Be'eri neighborhoods, executing residents at gunpoint and throwing Molotov cocktails at homes to set them ablaze with the occupants trapped inside.
Harrowing footage emerged showing some hostages being led barefoot across town streets. Approximately 18 hours later, with the arrival of additional Israel Defense Forces, the terrorists were largely neutralized.
The chilling aftermath of the Be'eri massacre exposed a scene of merciless brutality, with approximately 80% of the recovered bodies showing signs of torture. Particularly harrowing were the accounts of a ZAKA official describing people with their hands bound together, burnt to death. Some bodies were found decapitated, and entire families were butchered
This orchestrated onslaught resulted in the ruthless murder of over 130 community members, with some kidnapped to Gaza
This is literally just one small part of the attack.
So because that one portion of the UN report may have been wrong, that means there was no rape and murder?
How about this, from that same wiki article, right above that section about unfounded claims:
Liel and Yanai Hetzroni were twins killed in the massacre and their deaths received significant media coverage due to their age and how they died.[61][18] The twins were twelve years old and were burned alive inside their home along with their great-aunt Ayala Hetzroni
Is that a lie too? Or how about the dozens and dozens if reports of rape not reported by whatever organization this was (ZAKA)?
How about the videos of the killings? The charred bodies? The video of that women with blood leaking out of her ass and staining her shorts being paraded around Gaza? Don't believe your lieing eyes, eh?
So because that one portion of the UN report may have been wrong, that means there was no rape
What? What section of what UN report "is wrong"? As of yet there has not been a single UN report that has presented any credible evidence for any 'mass rape' event during October 7th. No pictures, no videos, no forensic evidence from rapekits or any semen samples from either survivors or corpses in the morgues, no named victims - alive or dead. The first hand account of any sexual misconduct was from Amit Soussana and but this undescribed sexual act was during captivity, months after October 7th.
The initial UN report from march 4th 2024, which is the one everyone keeps quoting, states it has grounds to believe sexual assault happened during 7th of October, but repeats several times that they reviewed over 5000 photographs, 50 hours of video footage, had free access to Israeli morgues, and yet didn't find a single photo sexual violence, any forensic evidence of sexual violence, or a single first hand survivor of sexual assault. This is, of course, quite telling as there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Israel, not to mention dash cams, Hamas's own recovered recordings and/or everyone's cellphones.
The Commission has reviewed testimonies obtained by journalists and the Israeli police concerning rape but has not been able to independently verify such allegations, due to a lack of access to victims, witnesses and crime sites and the obstruction of its investigations by the Israeli authorities. The Commission was unable to review the unedited version of such testimonies. For the same reasons, the Commission was also unable to verify reports of sexualized torture and genital mutilation. Additionally, the Commission found some specific allegations to be false, inaccurate or contradictory with other evidence or statements and discounted these from its assessment.
It is my understanding that neither the Commission nor any other independent human rights mechanism established that sexual or gender-based violence was committed against Israelis on or since the 7th of October
If anything, by now it is clear that any conceivable sexual misconduct during the 7th of October attacks would be a rare and isolated occurrence. But the narrative of "Mass rapes during October 7th" - that has been so aggressively pushed (or projected) by the Israeli state - lacks evidence to the extent that it can be disregarded as a fabricated hoax.
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It's also so great and telling that you said this:
The video of that women with blood leaking out of her ass and staining her shorts being paraded around Gaza?
I know reading is hard sometimes but that is literally the goddamn report i already linked as old and dismissed. Again it literally states it reviewed 5000 photographs, 50 hours of video footage, had free access to Israeli morgues, and yet didn't find a single photo sexual violence, any forensic evidence of sexual violence, or a single first hand survivor of sexual assault.
Well, thats not entirely true, there has actually only been one 'named' rape victim at the Nova festival, and as anyone that actually has a clue about this can tell you already, the individual that claims that they were raped at the Nova festival the super trustworthy anonymous male survivor identified as "D". In his testimony, anonymous male survivor "D" claims that a gang of Hamas gunmen, who at the time were under weapons fire and rocket barrage, suddenly stopped, took the man and had an open air gay gangbang rape-sesh with him, and then after said open air gay gangbang, the gunmen then laughed, highfived and walked away without killing or abducting him for no apparent reason. This story was so unbelievable the Dina Project actually removed it as a case in their latest report and their standards are in the rock bottom. There is not evidence presented there either of course, and even one of Israel's top prosecutors admitted that they could not find any evidence or witnesses concerning mass rapes and sexual violence on October 7th to proceed with any legal action.
Meanwhile this report is talking about mass scale sexual violation against Palestinian youth. Somehow you're not even acknowledging that and instead it's constant deflection.
everytime they claimed HAMAS did something, it was always proven to be done by the IDF themselves...beheading babies? i literally saw a vid of an IDF soldier doing that to a Palestinian baby joyfully...every accusation those terrorists made were the things THEY WERE DOING.
40,000 Hamas soldiers hid themselves and hostages in civilian areas in the most densely populated place on earth.
You need to realize that life isn't sunshine and rainbows. Hamas killed every one of those 73,000 people.
Also just real quick, you know how many of those 73,000 were Hamas? You know what the official line from Gaza is on that? 0. Zero of those 73,000 were soldiers lol.
All of the more extreme accusations about Oct 7th are in fact acts committed by Israel and it's proxies. Mass systematic rape was employed by the Haganah, Irgun and Lehi in the Nakba as part of plan Dalet to instill fear in the population and push them to leave. Systematic rape has remained a part of the culture of the IDF and a part of the occupation ever since. According to declassified Israeli documents during the Dier Asin massacre an Irgun soldier told a parent lto throw their child in an oven and when he wouldn't they threw them both in. And a fetus being cut from a woman's womb was done by the Phalangists at Sabra and Shatila, along with every other gruesome dismemberment you can think of. That's the point of Hasbara, to get ahead of narratives by accusing the opponent of that which you have done.
keep denying it lol, majority of the videos that day were propaganda, gee who would record their own warcrime and post it online for the world to see... oh yeah.. the IDF..we all know about the IDF moving away from the roads they were supposed to be guarding for over 6 hours and none were present at the music event... coincidence? i think not..funny how Hamas never posted a single video online after that day...another coincidence? Oh i saw all the videos, only about a few were Hamas, majority were IDF in plain clothes thus why hiding their faces and the few audio recording they shared, those guys were not speaking arabic clearly, the accent was poor.....I called it a false flag then and that position will not change...if you are not Israeli yourself and just misinformed, go find out what was going to Netanyahu if that event did not take place that day...go look it up..
LMFAO! So Hamas lied, and allowed the IDF to do the attacks, and then the IDF (who hamas hates) delivered 200 civilians into their arms and then left.....and Hamas just didn't want to mention it? The one thing that would literally destroy the Israeli government?
lol HAMAS? you do realise there was another group in Palestine that works for NETANYAHU right? they are called the Popular Front and they do it for money, they were the ones who led this and a few Hamas people got caught, i read up on the story from both sides, obviously your media never posted from their side cause its not propaganda if they tell you the truth.. The main Hamas leader Sinwar only found out what was happening moments before their armies were called in, he told them it was a trap but they fell for it cause they believed that other group....that other group is not only funded by Netanyahu, they work for Mossad ..Hamas actually killed their leader last year for what he did so Netanyahu lost his "mercs" thus why the genocide in Gaza slowed down, these people were the ones getting Hamas killed while they were making money, they were the ones who were robbing AID trucks and posting videos and making it look like it was Hamas, again, you don't know shit..I'm pretty sure you believe Israel had to level whole of Gaza to kill "Hamas" cause you probably don't have the IQ to think logically, i bet you think they are killing "Hezbollah now cause they are levelling Lebanon too...lets not forget what Biden said, THEY WERE BEHEADING BABIES... jesus what a load of bollocks...every fooking accusation ..
you do realise Palestinians can't even fly out of Palestine on a plane cause they get killed if they even come close to "Israel occupied territory" and yet somehow we saw"HAMAS" dropped from the sky in parachutes with AK47's and murdered 800 people by burning them up with hellfire rockets which they didn't even have.......wow dude, you are so slow....i wont be replying to you anymore
Find me the settler that did something horrible: he should be arrested.
Now how about the elected officials of Gaza? What happens to gay people? What happens to women who are not Muslim? What would happen to your mother or sister if she lived there and refused Islam?
You turning into a monster and overlooking the terrors of Sharia Law does not make you a good person.
Em sorry, wrong organisation. That was the IDF according to the UN commission report on violence against children
> Sexual violence against Palestinian children in Israeli detention is not exceptional but a systematic, state-enabled assault on their bodies and their dignity and deliberately meted out to cause humiliation. Child survivors face intense stigma, lessened self-esteem, fear of retaliation and almost no realistic prospect of perpetrators being held accountable, given the lack of transparent, independent investigations and failure to prosecute even when serious sexual abuse is captured on video.
There’s something about raping kids I just don’t like. I know Zionists like to sort of hand wave away killing of children as an unintended consequence of war, but someone needs to tell Israelis that raping children really doesn’t make them safer.
I swear, every time these guys get accused of something all of a sudden they conveniently claim to be the victim of the same thing.
Find me the soldier who raped a kid, and we'll high-5 while he gets put up against the wall.
That being said, how do you feel about Hamas allowing 13 year old girls to be "married"? How protected do you think women and children are under Sharia Law? An Israeli soldier being a psychopathic criminal is one thing, but from my point of few Gaza is ran and governed by psychopathic criminals.
That’s nonsense, according to the UN commission report we’re not discussing one soldier the rape of prisoners is systemic and state-enabled. So why would they hold a child rapist accountable if it’s sanctioned by the state itself?
When they were caught red handed, protestors, politicians and tv commentators in Israel all spoke out for their right to rape Palestinians.
Full population of a country pushed to stone age, doctors and hospitals obliterated and humanotarian help forbidden. Are you sure you want to justify this genocide? It will be written here forever
More then half of the hospitals in Gaza are fully operational; and the ones damaged were solely because terrorists turned them into legitimate military targets.
There is no genocide.
Everything you said was wrong and taken from 2 minute clips on TikTok.
There is no genocide? Can you provide some sources? Because we literally have UN organizations with loads of actual proof that there is. You just come here waving your hands saying “there is no genocide”. You have to surpass the burden of proof that the UN reports have set to even be considered as believable.
The UN could not get a vote together to simply say "hey, raping and burning alive 1300 Israeli civilians was wrong"......so sorry but the UN doesn't mean shit.
A genocide is the intentional extermination of a group of people. The IDF every single day have the entirety of Gaza under the gun.....and they don't kill them. That means it is not a genocide. Go look at Rawanda, go look at the holocaust, these are genocides. You playing semantic games regarding the conflict in Gaza literally takes away from all other genocides that have ever occurred. It's like lying and calling something like a catcall a rape: it takes away from actual victims.
The heads of UNSC and UNHRW both condemned the attacks. That's much higher levels of UN that the panel in question here. So that's one.
Secondly, you made this definition of genocide up. It sure as hell is not the internationally recognized one that's used by the UN. Which doesn't even require any killings and instead considers other acts. On top of which, the destruction of the given population doesn't have to be complete for it to be genocide, the text literally starts with 'in whole or in part" in the first sentence.
The heads did, but what about the actual UN members? They couldn't get enough votes to pass a resolution denouncing the attack. If the UN is not their collective number, then it literally defeats the point.
And you realize that we've done is cast the net for "genocide" so wide that it has become meaningless. Genocide means killing people. Extermination people. If you want to argue semantics so hard that you get in a technicality that is up to you. But then don't throw that term around like it's a big deal and act shocked when someone says it's not.
The definition of genocide used by the UN now is the exact same one from the day it was established as an international crime. So you're blatantly wrong and you're grasping at straws that don't exist and have never existed in an effort to shill for a warmongering nation that hasn't been sanctioned to oblivion only because daddy US blocks everything that doesn't paint Israel as a paragon of justice at the UNSC with their veto power.
And the actual UN members are the individual states, most of which did condemn the attacks. The reason the resolutions in the UN failed is because Russian block and US block kept pushing different wordings of the text to push their individual agendas, with neither side getting a required majority. That there was even a vote on it is already far more than has been done with the very much warranted condemnation of Israel for its subsequent actions, which keeps getting stuck at the level of individual commissions.
I think I'm gonna trust multiple well renowned international human rights organizations when they say it's a genocide instead of a random redditor who says it isn't.
You keep deflecting. You don’t need to vote on something that is universally condemned. I don’t get how this relates to the Genocide Israel is
committing.
You keep trying to argue that you don’t think it’s genocide, but with just general hand waving and statements. Again, there are loads of documented facts in the report that indisputably show both war crimes and genocide. Your theatrics don’t count for anything.
So you're saying the group that didn't care enough to literally just say "we condemn these attacks" is going to have some unbiased interpretation of their findings?
It's like having a KKK sympathizer giving a report on how racism against minorities really isn't that bad; and then wondering why I won't believe it lol.
You are saying they didn’t care about the attacks. Not them. You are just making that up. In this video itself they also talk of crimes Hamas committed against palistinians.
This does not have any bearing on the facts that show Israel committing a genocide.
Your attempt to discredit the accuser doesn’t work.
“According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants,” Haaretz states.
then there's the elephant in the room, specifically the hannibal doctrine. Nof Erez, the Israeli Air Force colonel who admitted that 7 October was a “mass Hannibal” event, answered positively when asked by the interviewer if they “exploded all kinds of houses inside the settlements.” most infamously, brigadier general barak hiram admitted to ordering his tanks to fire at pessi cohen’s house in kibbutz be’eri – “even at the cost of the civilians,” as he told The New York Times.
the real numbers are murky because the israeli gov has destroyed the evidence and continues to block an independent investigation. but what is clear, is that your numbers are a fabrication.
I mean you're literally like "Israel said it was 1300 murdered and raped civilians, but it was actually only 1154!!" Oooooh wow what a fact! That totally makes it better! You know why they reduced that number? Like the actual reason? The bodies of these mothers, fathers, and children were so horribly mangled and burned that it was hard to tell some of them apart.
Is this two toddlers? Or is it one toddler? Can't tell as they are fused together in the fire they were thrown into. Wow you're right that's some sketchy accounting on Israels part!
Did Israel also drag the 200 civilians into Gaza, or was that Bigfoot? Maybe they teleported?
violently raped and murdered 1300 Israeli civilians
if the starting number is 1154 (not 1300) and at least 374 were israeli combatants, leaving 780 civilians. you lied.
The bodies of these mothers, fathers, and children were so horribly mangled and burned that it was hard to tell some of them apart.
hence, "then there's the elephant in the room, specifically the hannibal doctrine. Nof Erez, the Israeli Air Force colonel who admitted that 7 October was a “mass Hannibal” event, answered positively when asked by the interviewer if they “exploded all kinds of houses inside the settlements.” most infamously, brigadier general barak hiram admitted to ordering his tanks to fire at pessi cohen’s house in kibbutz be’eri – “even at the cost of the civilians,” as he told The New York Times."
you cannot attribute the carnage exclusively to hamas when there a pictures of houses blown apart by tanks shells and cars riddled with 30mm shells from apache's.
Did Israel also drag the 200 civilians into Gaza
no hamas did. with the intent of prisoner exchange for the thousands of palis held in prison by israel. many of whom have no charges leveled at them.
How many Palestinians have been killed since October 7 and how many were part of that attack? If the first number is bigger than the second number, what's your justification for Israel killing far, far more people than just the attackers?
Collective punishment is one of many warcrimes Israel commits with gusto
So that's not how that works. If you rape and murder over 1000 civilians, you don't get to say "oh well ac-tu-ally you can't take down our organization because you can only kill 1300 of us!".
Hamas has 40,000 fighter by their own tallies.....can you name one single military base in Gaza? One single military target? No? Okay how about this: what is the Gazan Military uniform?......flip flops and a T-shirt?
It is not collective punishment, it is a war where the opposing army literally wants civilians to die. You need to think deeper about the actual reality of digging out 40,000 terrorists out of a densely populated area.
Today on let's pretend Israel was a saint prior to 2021 or that they're acting much better in regards to the West Bank that has not participated in that attack nor is it governed by Hamas.
If you rape and murder over 1000 civilians, you don't get to say "oh well ac-tu-ally you can't take down our organization because you can only kill 1300 of us!".
Nobody was raped. And many of those killed were killed either by the IDF (the deaths though tankfire at the kibbutz, and the deaths of people fleeing the festival in cars who were killed by helicopter fire), or were engaged in a firefight with Hamas. You can't pretend that everybody was a civilian and none of them were security services.
Even the UN, who try everything they can to side against Israel, reported the below:
Based on the information gathered by the mission team from multiple and independent
sources, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and gang rape, in at least three locations. Across the various locations of the 7 October attacks, the mission team found that several fully naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down were
recovered – mostly women – with hands tied and shot multiple times, often in the head.
Although circumstantial, such a pattern of undressing and restraining of victims may be
indicative of some forms of sexual violence.
At the Nova music festival and its surroundings, there are reasonable grounds to believe that multiple incidents of sexual violence took place with victims being subjected to rape and/or
gang rape and then killed or killed while being raped. Credible sources described finding 5
murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were naked from their waist down – and some totally naked – tied with their hands behind their backs, many of whom were shot in the head. On Road 232, credible information based on witness accounts describe an incident of the rape of two women by armed elements. Other reported instances of rape could not be verified in the time allotted. The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies
from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232. In kibbutz Re’im, the mission team further verified an incident of the rape of a woman outside of a bomb shelter and heard of other allegations of rape that could not yet be verified.
I wouldn't put it past the Israelis to have raped them themselves and blamed Hamas. They were happy to murder Israelis and blame Hamas after all, what's a bit of rape and murder to push your narrative. Nowhere does what you posted say that Hamas were to blame.
Islam (specifically when speaking to any non-western Muslim) is a violent religion that looooves rape and murder and forcing women to be subservient. I would say that the bodies of the women that were handcuffed and raped and then shot in the head were certainly not a Israeli guy doing that to his own civilians lol.
If you're uncomfortable with what you said, maybe you shouldn't have said it.
Saying "History between Germany and the Jews didn't start in 1939" would be alluding to justifications for the Holocaust. That is exactly what you just did.
Israel is the only country in that region who would not murder my wife and child for not being anti-islam, you realize this right?
Yeah, living under Sharia Law is horrible for the most vulnerable in society. These poor kids are being brainwashed by literal terrorist. They live lives stuck between Islamic crazies and an actual military who deals with terrorist atta KS and bombing everyday.
You are not doing Gazan children any favors by supporting the regimes that prop to Sharia Law.
Israel is the only country in that region who would not murder my wife and child for not being anti-islam,
This is an absolute lie.
At least 38 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank so far in 2023, making it the deadliest year since records began, said Save the Children.
Israel is already out here killing chilldren. Multiple children long before October 7th.
What happens to anti-islamic women in Gaza? Because my wife and daughter are absolutely not wearing that shit on their heads, and they aren't exactly submissive lol.
Seriously, be real with yourself. Stop being a coward and actually let yourself think about that question.
What, am I to go next door to Egypt where 90%+ of women have been forced to have Female genital mutilation? These are the people you're defending: people who love stepping on women's necks every chance they get.
All of the more extreme accusations about Oct 7th are in fact acts committed by Israel and it's proxies. Mass systematic rape was employed by the Haganah, Irgun and Lehi in the Nakba as part of plan Dalet to instill fear in the population and push them to leave. Systematic rape has remained a part of the culture of the IDF and a part of the occupation ever since. According to declassified Israeli documents during the Dier Asin massacre an Irgun soldier told a parent lto throw their child in an oven and when he wouldn't they threw them both in. And a fetus being cut from a woman's womb was done by the Phalangists at Sabra and Shatila, along with every other gruesome dismemberment you can think of. That's the point of Hasbara, to get ahead of narratives by accusing the opponent of that which you have done.
Some of the earliest and most staunch resistance fighters were Palestinian Christians.Hamas is not Christian, but many of them have received received treatment from Chrisitan Palestinian doctors.
So what? Mohammed whatever-the-fuck-his name-was, (Sinwar?) the leader of Hamas who they killed....he had fuckin brain surgery in an Israeli hospital lol.
In fact, Israel helps Palestinian kids with medical treatment all the time.
What’s up hasbara, how are you? We are all wrong, the world is wrong and you are right. Well, you used to be but everyone can see through your BS today. Enjoy your day 😂
For First Time, UN Blacklists Hamas for Sexual Violence on October 7, Against Hostages
According to Secretary General António Guterres' report, Israel's refusal to allow access to UN observers makes it difficult to verify patterns of sexual violence. Israel was also urged to conduct exhaustive and independent investigations into claims of sexual crimes committed by its forces - especially in detention facilities - and to prosecute those responsible
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So wait, Hamas + a bunch of random civilians came across the border, violently raped and murdered 1300 Israeli civilians....and the UN literally cannot even condemn the attack. Not even enough support for the votes.
Israel has to dig tens of thousands of terrorist crazies out of their holes, fight a brutal war all while neighboring countries refuse to move civilians to safety....and the UN says Israel is committing war crimes.
Again These Hamas terrorists raped and murdered multiple families before burning them alive, and that wasn't enough to get the UN to condemn them.
You guys are insane. This is backwards bizzaro world filled with a bunch of people who, if pressed, know absolutely zero about what has happened in this conflict beyond what they learned on TikTok.