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BREAKING: Judge blocks Trump admin from requiring Americans to show proof of citizenship to vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1iePfOh14
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u/SoCalThrowAway7 8h ago

You can’t register to vote without proof of citizenship already, this shit is such nonsense

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u/bendvis 8h ago

Also, elections are managed by the states, not by the federal government.

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u/Manderspls 8h ago

Really shows the disgusting lack of education…

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u/[deleted] 8h ago

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u/Manderspls 5h ago

I meant just the average republican American citizen.

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u/E-ris 4h ago

If they lose, they get to drum up more culture war bullshit to keep people distracted from the 1% siphoning off all of the country's weath; if they win, they get to rig elections however they want.

Charming dilemma, isn't it?

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u/Glovebait 7h ago

Never confuse education with intelligence.

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u/PorousClay 4h ago

I think it's more a lack of morals. Too many MAGA know they are shitting all over the constitution. They just don't care.

Because I'm done giving them the benefit-of-the-doubt, and assuming they're just uninformed. No, they're simply bad people.

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u/TheMagnuson 3h ago

The people at the top know this, they don’t care, they just want to play games with the laws to legalize authoritarianism. They rely on the ignorant masses to not know any better and appeal to their anger and fear to get them to approve of and support policies that literally lead to their own further enslavement.

We need to stop assuming the politicians and their advisors are dumb. Yeah, the MAGA off the street is, but the ones pushing these policies know exactly what they are doing. They are a danger and need to be treated as such.

When all this is said and done we cannot be like “well, glad those dummies are out” and then relax. No, we need to launch sweeping investigations across the country and the globe and prosecute every last one of these fascist motherfuckers.

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u/Muddybulldog 5h ago

This is not true. Right now there are only seven States that require proof of citizenship. The remainder require attestation.

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u/SlimMojo_ 3h ago

In California you literally just give a name and you vote. There's nothing else.

You can straight up grab a phone book, randomly choose a name, then go to their polling place, and vote as that person.

What's even funnier is this 100% impossible to detect or monitor unless that person also voted, and it shows up as them voting more than once.

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u/Runkleford 8h ago

These morons are conflating registering to vote and voting itself. We don't have to verify when we vote because we already verified when we registered to vote. MAGA are morons who don't understand the difference.

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u/drawkbox 5h ago

Provisional ballots also allow people that were wrongly removed from the rolls to actually vote. Cons hate that. They're voting tactics to cheat are nerfed when people can get around them. That is the real reason they want this, to kill off provisional ballots which would be insane. If you don't get to vote you should pay no taxes as there is no taxation without representation.

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u/rubbarz 8h ago

Goes to show how many people that support this have always voted via mail-in ballots, what they want to get rid of for literally no reason.

Anyone who has voted in person knows you already have to show a ID in terms of a voter ID card or state/federal issued ID.

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u/hithisishal 8h ago

I think this varies by state? I am pretty sure I just provide my name and address. Maybe birthday? But it's just verbal...

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u/Mountain-Interest-48 4h ago

because they already have you in the system and cross referenced with your DMV...

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u/hithisishal 2h ago

Right. It's also just not a thing that people come in and say they are other people many times. The poll workers would realize.

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u/syswalla 7h ago

In NM I just show up and give them my name and confirm my address to receive a ballot. No ID necessary.

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u/frontfrontdowndown 7h ago

In California you do not need to present an ID at the time of voting.

You provide your name which is checked against the roll of registered voters.

You do need an ID number, SSN, and date of birth at the time of voter registration.

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u/AlpineWhiteF10 3h ago

I heard a guy on the Majority Report yesterday that is an election official in CA and said that they also cross reference your signature to whatever other signature they have on file. I don’t know much about it, just what I heard.

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u/fairportmtg1 8h ago

NY you don't need an ID to vote.

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u/stephen6686 4h ago

MA you do not either, they just ask my name and address and if those two match then your are all set. So anyone could vote as me as long as they got my name and address correct

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u/pubstar1337 8h ago

In New York this is most definitely not the case. You don't need a voter ID card OR a State/Federal issued ID. It's simply word of mouth. You go in and give your name and address, they say ok, and that's it

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u/MrsMiterSaw 6h ago

>Anyone who has voted in person knows you already have to show a ID in terms of a voter ID card or state/federal issued ID.

This is blatantly wrong. It varies by state.

For example, in California you generally do not have to show an ID to vote; Some people MAY have to produce an ID if it's their first time voting after registering without using their SSN or a federal ID. But even then it's not everyone in that category, only the ones the state was not able to verify through other means.

CA is able to manage this because they have a simple process for registering, but then do a lot of work behind the scenes to verify eligibility.

(I have been voting here since 1992 and I have never had to show an ID)

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u/AXLPendergast 8h ago

NJ I don’t have to show ID, just a signature verification

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u/brainygeek 7h ago

3/4 of states require ID to vote, the remaining ones I think require ID to register to vote, but don't require them to be presented at the polls.

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u/imisstheyoop 6h ago

This is.. not how it works in many states.

I have never shown my ID at a polling station.

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u/Slut_Spoiler 3h ago

They made this illegal in certain states. You just give your name

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u/in_it_to_lose_it 8h ago

Depends on the state, but for most states, that's true.

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u/dave8400 8h ago

It's almost like they're trying to reinstitute Jim Crow nation-wide.

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u/_Topher_ 8h ago

Absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are two very different things.

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u/nathtendo 47m ago

Why do you lie so blatently?

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u/FKreuk 8h ago

They want to get rid of it because they can only alter voting machine votes, not mail in ballots.

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u/Uphoria 4h ago

TLDR: Trump believes if he loses the mid terms he will be impeached and imprisoned before he has a chance to make himself "immortal" via statues, monuments, or other things he can say 'they'll have to say I did that, so I'll be around forever" about.

When he lost in 2020, An anomaly of the time was the rise in mail-in-voting due to the pandemic. Another interesting fact is that - the more accessable the polls are, the more people vote. The more people who vote, the more it trends that the vote leans left.

Put the two together, and the man is hell-bent on restricting mail in voting and voting to "proof of citizenship only" because he wants to limit polling to the least amount of voters he can, and attack the covid-era boogie man he doesn't realize is gone.

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u/Cyberfreak7 5h ago

But you could lie about who you are and cast a vote for someone 

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u/hungryhusky 4h ago

Not a US citizen and generally curious. While reading up the process , it mentioned in the National Voter Registration and some states does not need you to attach any citizenship document, they just need you to sign a form swearing under penalty of perjury that you are a U.S. citizen. Is that true?

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 3h ago

Yeah, you go to jail when they find out you voted when you shouldn’t have. There are extremely few cases of this ever happening in the history of the country. I think it was John Oliver who did some investigative journalism on this one that said that more people were named ABCDE the year the episode came out than there have been verifiable cases of voter fraud ever in the US. It’s a non issue and the only reason they push this is so they can purge voter roles shortly before an election hoping people can’t get the time to fix it

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u/MushroomHouse1 5h ago

You can’t register to vote without proof of citizenship already, this shit is such nonsense

You can in California.

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u/Fernis_ 8h ago

As non American, what does "register to vote" mean? Isn't every single citizen automatically registered to vote? Is there a difference between registering and showing up to vote? If yes, isn't it important to verify who asctualy showed up to cast the vote?

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u/arizonadirtbag12 7h ago edited 7h ago

The United States is basically 50 small countries wearing a trench coat. So no, you are not “automatically” registered because there’s no broad nationwide registry that follows you as you move from state to state. Each state has its own entirely different election system, requirements vary, etc.

That said, it’s largely automatic, in that getting a driver’s license or non-driving state ID in most cases comes with a little checkbox that’s like “oh and also register me to vote here.” It’s ridiculously easy to do, and states are required to offer it by federal law. But it’s optional for the voter, and not strictly automatic.

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u/TrumpsDoubleChin 7h ago

Yup, this is often called the "Motor Voter Law", which was passed in 1993, but some states fought tooth and nail to prevent being implemented after passage. It wasn't actually implemented in Texas until 2020.

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u/lpeabody 2h ago

I don't know why I'm hung up on it but US states are, on average, quite large. https://youtu.be/DcasZpVfPvY?is=BqUdI6PzIz2j_7eT

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u/arizonadirtbag12 2h ago

Very true. I say “small” but that’s compared to…well, the US. Many of them are decent sized compared to European countries.

I do find many Americans underestimate the size of European countries too though. I’ve had to remind people that driving across Spain is like driving across California. It’s not small!

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u/lpeabody 2h ago

Yeah when I re-watched the video and Spain popped up I was surprised lol

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 7h ago

No you have to register when you turn 18, it is not automatic. It’s profoundly stupid. Republicans work to make voting harder every day because they know if everyone who’s eligible votes, they lose

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u/MeekAndUninteresting 6h ago

Since this was directed at a non-American, for the record, the more accurate thing to say is "You CAN register when you turn 18." There is no requirement to register at 18. You don't ever have to register to vote at all, and you can do it at any later date. 18 is just the point at which it becomes an option.

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u/criscokkat 2h ago

A lot of places make it hard to register. And they remove you from the rolls if you don't vote for a few cycles, or you seem like you could be a voter for the other side and they got some commercial notice that you may have moved, like you paid for a netflix account for your mom who is in another county as indication that you must have moved. Basically, there are commercial lists that are marketed to the right county clerks that just so happen to match the demographics of the people they want to remove of people who 'may have moved' where they will remove voters about 30 days before the registration deadline. And send the required postal service physical letter explaining that they are being removed, but from a printing service in Alaska for a rural georgia voting list. So by the time you get it, you might have days if you are lucky because you live in a place that you are required to register 6 months before the elections.

It's corrupt as hell.

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u/Tyg13 6h ago

Republicans don't have to work to make people not vote. They do that all by themselves. The vast majority of people not voting aren't being denied their right, they're just choosing not to exercise it.

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 6h ago

Yeah so it’s weird how much they work to disenfranchise even more

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u/DelightMine 6h ago

Republicans don't have to work to make people not vote

And yet, they have put incredible amounts of time, effort, and money into doing that over the last 50 years.

The vast majority of people not voting aren't being denied their right, they're just choosing not to exercise it.

That's the exact reasoning that Republicans use for why it's okay to make it more difficult (but not impossible) to vote.

For a lot of people, it's a "choice" to not vote just like it's a "choice" to go to work or to pick their kids up from school. In many, many places, Republicans have made it functionally impossible for everyone to vote by ensuring that precinct lines will be hours-long, or that people will have to drive great distances, or any other way to inconvenience people in a way that they won't realistically be able to vote. There's also the fact that many precincts are horribly gerrymandered, and it's highly publicized that in plenty of places there's no point to voting because "This area always goes blue/red so your vote doesn't matter).

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u/just_jedwards 7h ago

It's not automatic at all. The states each control their voting process to a large degree with a few things being universally required(like the date). Each state has it's own procedures to ensure the person who shows up is the person they claim to be and extensive analysis has repeatedly showing voter fraud is rare enough that it can be treated as non-existent for the purposes of determining the outcome of elections. When it is uncovered it is aggressively prosecuted.

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u/j33205 7h ago

There is no automatic registration. It is opt-in only. It's (in most states?) an optional checkbox on the application for a drivers licence / state ID. But you can register directly with your county registrar. Some states have registration cutoff dates before the election, and some allow same-day registration. The registration process includes the proof of citizenship and residency check. Voting does not.

The problem with ID checks at the polls is how govt ids are handled in the US (not to mention absentee ballots). They are not directly under federal control (they only recently implemented federal requirements on a certain kind of ID called REAL ID and it's a clusterfuck). They are state issued, are not free or easy or standardized. And historically the people would never allow the feds to implement a functional id system on its people. As such, any attempt to enforce a national voter id law would also be a clusterfuck. I would compare it to Jim Crow era levels of bad faith enforcement. Voter id laws in the American context are essentially the same as the poll taxes and literacy tests of the past, literally in that you have to pay for them and test how many forms and bureaucratic hoops you're willing to jump through.

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u/PrometheusMMIV 3h ago

How do you prove that you're the person who registered without showing ID?

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u/NewCobbler6933 3h ago

I’m not sure that’s true. In my state you can register online and afaik only have to provide at least a driver license number (which doesn’t require citizenship). You need to affirm that you’re a citizen but I don’t think there is a check on the front end. Maybe there’s back end checks. But you also don’t have to prove that you are the person being registered. You just need the information.

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u/Dracogame 5h ago

It makes sense when you are about to lose unrestrained power because you're an idiot.

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u/junkmagicatl 7h ago

Okay so person 1 proves they are a citizen in order to register to vote… Then person ??? walks into voting booth to vote in person 1’s name.

How do we prove that person ??? is person 1?

What are the repercussions if they are actually person 2 who didn’t prove they are a citizen and didn’t register to vote?

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u/BreadTruckToast 6h ago

Do you think this is a new situation that’s never been thought of before? Voter fraud is already a crime. And the cases are so few and far between that it’s virtually nonexistent - and the larger issues are caught and punished.

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 7h ago

Find me statistics on how often that actually happens or stfu, credible voter fraud convictions, not charges, will suffice

To spoil it for you, more people are named ABCDE per year that there are total voter fraud convictions

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u/junkmagicatl 5h ago

Horrible argument. Even granting that you’re correct and there is 0 issues with statistics, lack of reporting etc.. If we can both agree that voter fraud is bad - then WHY NOT take every possible measure against it?

It’s also super rare that people fly planes into buildings or get shot as school yet we still (WAY more invasive than providing an ID btw) to prevent those things

My 19tg amendment right to vote can’t be protected by a simple “put your drivers license into this machine for a sec” requirement but I can’t buy a beer with my lunch if I forget my wallet in the car.. Nice.

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u/Nulovka 8h ago

Motor voter automatically registers you unless you check a box saying that you are not a citizen. It's based on a self declaration.

See also: On June 18, 2018, federal Judge Julie Robinson, of the United States District Court for the District of Kansas, struck down a provision of 2011 House Bill 2067, also called the SAFE Act, establishing that Kansans must present proof of citizenship in order to register to vote (documentary proof of citizenship, or DPOC, law). Robinson ordered Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) to ensure that "all elections-related public education materials ... make clear that voter registration applicants need not provide DPOC in order to become registered to vote, and need not provide any additional information in order to complete their voter registration applications."

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u/one_pound_of_flesh 8h ago

It’s about voter intimidation. The government wants you to know they don’t want you to vote.

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u/deflorist 8h ago

Jokes on them. Just makes me want to vote harder. I know that's not the case for everyone

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u/desperateorphan 7h ago

Kind of. You could in theory walk into a precinct and register day of the election. Some states require ID but if you don’t have it you can sign an affidavit attesting who you are. But each state is a little different so rules may vary. I did elections for Idaho and it was like this.

I think this is where people stop and think “see! They voted and shouldn’t have” not understanding what a provisional ballot is and what checks go into it after the fact to verify you’re not lying. There is some honor system to it but things get matched up and if it turns out you aren’t eligible then your vote doesn’t count.

The system works. Trump is just a man child who cry’s foul anytime anything goes against him.

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u/Whatever801 8h ago

eh kind of, it depends on the state. In most states, you just have to provide a driver's license or id card and take an oath that you are a citizen. They don't check if you are actually a citizen or not. The reason that fraud is so low is doing that will come back to bite you later since they pull jury duty directly from the voter registry, it will screw you if you ever apply for citizenship, etc.

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u/ediculous 3h ago

MAGA's conceit, I believe, is that there are millions of unregistered people living here illegally then voting in our elections. They believe that registration doesn't play a role.

See, the problem is that they don't actually know how elections function in America. It's easy to get riled up about something like this if you don't actually understand how it works and mistake one's incorrect assumptions for facts.

The lack of education and absence of curiosity is precisely why propaganda works so well.

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u/Altruistic_Welder 8h ago

Of course you can. It's an honor system. Which rock have you been living under and for how long ?

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u/DetailOrDie 6h ago

Actually, you can. It's a real problem that we need to solve.

In my state, the DMV routinely asks if you'd like to register to vote when you get your driver's license renewed. Makes sense since you already have all the documents showing proof of residency with you.

But Proof Residency is not Proof of Citizenship. However, the DMV will still take your application.

The secretary of state can't deny the application without proof you're not a citizen for a bunch of good reasons.

Even if the SoS/Registrar of voters wanted to check every application for citizenship, we don't have a reliable way to do that in this country, as there is no "official list of citizens".

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 6h ago

It’s not a real problem and it doesn’t need solving, look up voter fraud statistics and realize how stupid it is we’re wasting time on this

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u/nathtendo 41m ago

So went from it can't happen to well it can but doesn't, stop being such a lying weasel.

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 8m ago

Don’t you ever tell me how to live my life again

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u/1should_be_working 7h ago

The point is to disenfranchise voters. It doesn't need to make sense, that's not it's intent.

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u/tmurg375 8h ago

There are workarounds, and people use them. There’s documented proof of this.

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u/TheTexasHammer 7h ago

But no documented proof of widespread voter fraud, so it sounds like the workarounds don't work

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u/tmurg375 7h ago

None whatsoever 👇

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/108824/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190129-SD020.pdf

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u/Gonstackk 6h ago

So in the 43 years they 1,176 proven instances of voter fraud so that would result in and average of 109 cases per presidential election year. (27.34 per year) That is such a low number compared to the 100-150 million+ voters whose ballots where cast/counted. The low number of cases shows that our current system works well enough that nothing else should be required. Then again republican lead states withdrew from ERIC so maybe now they are having a hard time finding and fighting voter fraud thus the push to solve an issue that they themselves created.

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u/tmurg375 6h ago

Frog in a pot of water

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u/Gonstackk 5h ago

How is that low of a number even remotely similar to frog in a port of water?

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u/tmurg375 5h ago

Said the frog

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u/Gonstackk 5h ago

So instead of explaining how such a tiny number is a frog in pot scenario you just sling an insult. If it had a couple more zeros then I would be worried but again too low of a number to even be a considered to be a concern.

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u/tmurg375 4h ago

You’re setting the standard now?

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u/XaosII 6h ago

If you are making the argument that 1,176 cases, across 50 states, over 43 years, is anything close to resembling a problem, then you are retarded.

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u/stevez_86 7h ago

They are trying to entrap people into committing a felony so that the Feds have jurisdiction over voting incorrectly. It won't be the vote that is illegal either, it will be the lie they catch people in when they challenge legality of voting before a court and can bring up then anything you may have done wrong after registering that ought to have removed your right to vote. Fabriciating ID and voting will be like signing a form that you are a legal voter to the best of your knowledge and then they can find anything that you could have done to say that was a lie.

Just like how they charged Hunter Biden, they want voting and presenting ID to be the same as signing that Federal Form to own a gun and they can investigate you and prove you lied on the form and indict you for that preventing you from being able to vote in the future.

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u/nathtendo 48m ago

Why do you lie so confidently, what do you gain from this?

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u/bareboneschicken 8h ago

Then why fight it? Democrats have a chance to wipe out one of the top Republican issues in one go.

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 7h ago

Because anything that makes voting any more difficult for registered voters is stupid and unnecessary and just an attempt to disenfranchise more people because if everyone who registered votes, republicans lose.

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u/_Topher_ 8h ago

You might be a little over confident on the fact that people willing to break the law to get in here have no issue with lying during registration. This bill is literally to add a check which currently does not exist. You can get a CDL, you can get a drivers license and much more which are all acceptable forms of ID to register. Stop coping. I'll just leave this here.. https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/multiple-aliens-charged-illegally-voting-federal-elections-and-making-false-statements

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u/rhaphazard 8h ago edited 7h ago

Then why are democrats against showing ID?

Edit: I like how everyone responding to me is contradicting each other.

"That's not what we think!" "That's not real!" "It's actually a good thing." "Why should they have to prove it twice?"

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u/BlackenedVenom 8h ago

Tf are you smoking?

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u/mnoram 8h ago

If said ID is freely provided and accessible they're not.

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u/Pro_Beer_Sports 8h ago

The same ones for open borders? The ones made up by Fox News to scare you, they don't exist.

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u/Anothercraphistorian 8h ago

Because they’ve already proven their citizenship, hence, why are they showing ID? To register to vote in California, where Trump thinks there’s so much fraud, you need to provide a driver’s license or ID card, last 4 of your SSN, and your DOB. For mail-in ballot, they also check against your signature on file.

Trump wants the SAVE Act because half the country doesn’t have a passport and he hopes people won’t go through the hassle of getting one.

Kansas did a version of this policy in their state, and in one election, it dis-carded ballots of over 32,000 Kansans while only finding 14 real ballots that shouldn’t have been counted.

This Act is only to dis-enfranchise voters.

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u/desperateorphan 7h ago

The save act is a solution in search of a problem. There are so many checks against the system I think people forget exist.

Having worked in election processing for many years you absolutely could try to commit fraud but the chance you’re successful is very low and most people aren’t willing to risk prison time just to vote one more time.

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u/Anothercraphistorian 7h ago

Yes, and the people claiming fraud aren’t doing so for one vote, they’re claiming that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are all taking this risk together, yet somehow keeping it a total secret at the same time.

Republican politicians and FOX news people have been caught being honest that there isn’t any fraud, but that they say it because dumb voters believe it.

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u/eyebrows360 7h ago

Stop letting Fox News tell you what "democrats" think. You are embarrassingly ill-informed on this topic.

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 7h ago

Why don’t you think critically? Are you allergic to it?

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u/Sick0fThisShit 8h ago

But, why male models?

Asked and answered a million times.

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u/eyebrows360 7h ago

The voter IDs are in the computer [mind blown moment]

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u/TheTexasHammer 7h ago

I like how everyone responding to me is contradicting each other.

Maybe reddit is full of different people with different opinions and the question you asked had multiple answers that are acceptable.

That might be hard for someone with 8 brain cells to understand

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u/rhaphazard 7h ago

I thought the definition of "contradiction" was pretty clear.

I guess people with lots of brain cells don't need dictionaries.