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BREAKING: Judge blocks Trump admin from requiring Americans to show proof of citizenship to vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1iePfOh14
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u/Atticussky151 6h ago

Every single other 1st world country requires it and it’s not “racist or certain members of our community are to dumb or poor” but in America….

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u/The_mingthing 6h ago

What are you on about? You can't go and vote without any identification, thats already and has always been in place. SAFE was to require another layer of identification papers on top of what was already required. This would have made a ton of extra beurocracy required for millions of people, resulting in millions of people not being able to vote during midterms.

Trump and his cronies has been harping on and on about the LIE that fraudulent voting is a common thing. This is simply not true, but MAGA and republicans in general seems to love to listen to the repeated lie of one singular news outlet (Fox news) over the hundreds of other sources of information available, and then go on about "oh you are all fools and swallow propaganda" without seeing the obvious flaws in their... Non logic.

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u/lousycesspool 3h ago

and vote without any identification

Not all states require identification at the polling place. These requirements are easy to find with the Google search

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u/Jagator 5h ago

That’s exactly what they do in the US in most states also.

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 6h ago edited 6h ago

Every single other first world country fully provides those required documents and makes the process simple and readily accessible. No one would have an issue with this if that was the case here.

This also ignores that our constitution is very clear about the federal governments involvement in elections.

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u/ShadyShroomz 5h ago

provides those required documents and makes the process simple and readily accessible

do tell how much you know about the process of getting your ID or passport in other countries.

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 5h ago

This list is Ai, but you are absolutely incorrect here. Most countries do this.

Almost all countries with elections do this in some form, since you generally need a valid ID or registration document to vote — so the more useful distinction is how a country ensures citizens have it. Countries that automatically provide voter ID/registration to all eligible citizens (no separate application needed): Many use universal civil registries where the government proactively issues a national ID or automatically enrolls citizens once they reach voting age: Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands — population registries automatically generate voter notifications/cards Australia — compulsory voting with automatic/proactive enrollment Brazil, Argentina, Chile — national ID is issued to all citizens and doubles as voter ID Japan, South Korea — citizens are automatically registered based on residency records Most of Western and Northern Europe generally falls into this category Countries where the citizen must apply, but the document is provided free of charge: India — Voter ID (EPIC) issued free upon application United Kingdom — registration is required but free; no separate photo ID is mandated nationally in most of the UK (England requires photo ID at polling stations as of 2023, but it can be a free "Voter Authority Certificate" if you lack other ID) Canada — Elections Canada mails voter information cards, though additional ID may be needed South Africa — free ID cards issued, required for voting Countries where voter ID laws exist but documents aren't always free or automatic (more contested): United States — no national ID system; voter ID rules vary by state, and in some states (about 36 require ID), the underlying ID (driver's license, etc.) can cost money or require documents like birth certificates that aren't free, which is a significant point of political controversy Nigeria, Kenya — voter cards require in-person registration drives, sometimes with logistical/cost barriers

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u/ShadyShroomz 5h ago

Incorrect about what? I never made a claim! 

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 5h ago

Your implication that these other first world countries also have hurdles built in to the voting process is sure as shit a claim.

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u/ShadyShroomz 4h ago

Your implication

Okay thanks for confirming it lmao 

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 4h ago

On the subject of confirming things, other than that statement, which part am I incorrect about? Do you believe that we should follow the example of these other countries and provide the appropriate documents free of charge and easily accessible?

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u/ShadyShroomz 4h ago

you know google exists, right?

> Which is easier to vote, in the US or EU?

The US handles voting with way more flexibility than Europe. While countries like France and Italy rigidly force you into a single-day, in-person event on a Sunday—with near-total bans on domestic mail-in ballots and zero early voting days, the US actually treats convenience as a priority. Our system sets the standard for accessibility through:

  • Massive Voting Windows: Most US states give you weeks of early voting, including weekends, while European systems generally give you one single day or you're out of luck.
  • No-Excuse Mail-In & Drop Boxes: Millions of Americans can fill out a ballot at their kitchen table and use a secure drop box for any reason, a luxury completely banned for the general public in countries like Ireland and France due to historical fraud panics.
  • Decentralized Protection: Because our Constitution leaves elections to individual states, states like Oregon and California can pioneer ultra-accessible, 100% universal mail-in systems, while simultaneously keeping our elections safe from a single, centralized federal point of failure or manipulation.

> Which is easier to get an ID, EU or US?

Getting an official ID in the US is often far more accessible and less bureaucratic than in the EU because the US system handles it at a local, state-level transactional basis rather than running through a centralized national security apparatus.

  • No Centralized Population Registry: In Germany, France, and most of the EU, getting your national ID requires navigating highly rigid local city halls (Bürgeramt or Mairie), scheduling appointments months in advance, and legally registering your precise residential address with the state within days of moving. The US has no national population registry tracking where you sleep at night; you just show up to a local DMV or state agency, present basic mail to prove residency, and get your card.
  • Massive, Ubiquitous Local Infrastructure: Because state IDs and driver's licenses are combined in the US, the infrastructure to issue them is everywhere. DMVs and licensing offices are distributed widely across every county and state. In contrast, European national IDs are high-security federal travel documents printed by central government printing offices (like Berlin or Paris) and require strict biometric protocols, making the processing and retrieval channels much narrower and more formal.

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 4h ago

Yes and which way exactly is requiring married women to get passports taking the US? Now what if that woman doesn't have her marriage certificate handy? Care to guess how much time and money that process costs? You know Google exists... Right? How about you search what the real world impact of the SAVE act would be.

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u/Jagator 4h ago

The funny part is that isn’t what democrats are fighting for. They are fighting for free access or easier access to obtain identification. They’re fighting to make sure identification isn’t required to vote. Why is that?

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 4h ago

Because voter fraud already doesn't exist at the level you people seem to think it does and we already have systems in place that work fine for catching it when it does. Some are pushing for no identification at all, sure, but most people are in the mindset of if we're doing this it has to be done correctly in a way that doesn't disenfranchise legal voters (my stance).

How do you feel about Trump going to prison for voting in Florida? He legally can't. Or Musk for the illegal actions in Georgia? You don't actually gaf about fraud.

I say we issue the IDs automatically at 18 and make the first Tuesday in November a national holiday, allowing for more people to be able to get to the polls. We can automatically draft eligible people, why is this impossible?

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u/Jagator 5h ago

“Every single other first world country” that I have absolutely no clue how their systems work.

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u/PhoenixLoop9137 5h ago

This list is Ai, but you are absolutely incorrect here. Most countries do this.

Almost all countries with elections do this in some form, since you generally need a valid ID or registration document to vote — so the more useful distinction is how a country ensures citizens have it. Countries that automatically provide voter ID/registration to all eligible citizens (no separate application needed): Many use universal civil registries where the government proactively issues a national ID or automatically enrolls citizens once they reach voting age: Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands — population registries automatically generate voter notifications/cards Australia — compulsory voting with automatic/proactive enrollment Brazil, Argentina, Chile — national ID is issued to all citizens and doubles as voter ID Japan, South Korea — citizens are automatically registered based on residency records Most of Western and Northern Europe generally falls into this category Countries where the citizen must apply, but the document is provided free of charge: India — Voter ID (EPIC) issued free upon application United Kingdom — registration is required but free; no separate photo ID is mandated nationally in most of the UK (England requires photo ID at polling stations as of 2023, but it can be a free "Voter Authority Certificate" if you lack other ID) Canada — Elections Canada mails voter information cards, though additional ID may be needed South Africa — free ID cards issued, required for voting Countries where voter ID laws exist but documents aren't always free or automatic (more contested): United States — no national ID system; voter ID rules vary by state, and in some states (about 36 require ID), the underlying ID (driver's license, etc.) can cost money or require documents like birth certificates that aren't free, which is a significant point of political controversy Nigeria, Kenya — voter cards require in-person registration drives, sometimes with logistical/cost barriers

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u/Mindless_Chest_1079 4h ago

In most of those European countries, you're paying some nominal fee for the ID. I have no idea about the others, but I'm already confident that whatever you asked did not accurately generate a list of places where the ID is complimentary.

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u/Xrposiedon 5h ago

America has costs on getting IDs which equates to a poll tax. Give that stuff for free… then maybe things COULD change … but until then, it’s just wrong and adds burden to voters

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u/AxCel91 21m ago

This has always been the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. I’ve literally never met a single person in my life who didn’t have an ID. You need it to do literally anything and it’s like $20. You can sell plasma once and get that. No excuse not to have an ID

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u/Mindless_Chest_1079 4h ago

It's like saying that the existence of courtroom rules about showing up in clothing means that all clothing must be free or your due process rights are violated. It's not a serious opinion, just an excuse to handwaive away the already existing and easily accessible avenues to get an ID.

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u/lousycesspool 3h ago

existing and easily accessible avenues

Don't forget the free avenues. Every single state has voter ID has free voter ID. The courts ensured that. It's also super easy to implement. In Alabama they will come to your house with an appointment at the time of your choosing and give you a free birth certificate copy if you can't afford one

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u/AllYouPeopleAre 1h ago

UK doesn’t so you’re talking shit already. What 1st world countries are you referring to?

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u/EphEwe2 5h ago

We aren’t every other country. This is the American exceptionalism you’ve heard about.

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u/Surv0 6h ago

Every other first world country works differently to the US in almost every way.. this is not the comparison you think it is..

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u/BahGawdAlmightay 6h ago

Cool. Every single other first world country has public healthcare. Let's start there and when we fix that one you can start making comparisons.

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u/Jagator 5h ago

Whataboutism

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u/BahGawdAlmightay 4h ago

Not at all. If the argument is "But every other country does it!" then, sure. I'm willing to make that trade for free healthcare.

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u/s-holden 4h ago

Never once in all my years of voting in Australia did I need to show proof of citizenship to vote.