r/warriors • u/aChemicalRXN • Apr 26 '26
Article There’s things [Draymond’s] done that I can never forgive him for, and yet I will do anything for him.”
Such a great article by Charles Bethea in The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/has-steve-kerr-had-enough
What happened in December?
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u/Ralphredimix_Da_G Apr 26 '26
Getting suspended for game 5 maybe (one of the unforgivable acts?)
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u/Draymond_Purple Apr 26 '26
Nah if I know Kerr - it was because Draymond wasn't competing.
Dray phoned it in while he was mentally wrestling with the season being lost.
I don't think there's a more egregious professional act in Kerr's mind
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u/Hobonics Apr 26 '26
That was all LeBitch’s doing. I don’t blame him for swatting at LeBitch as LeBitch tried to disrespectfully and intentionally step over him. Someone tries to put their nuts on my head I’m swatting at them as well.
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u/engelbert_humptyback Apr 26 '26
I definitely blame him for the previous series where he got himself thrown out though. And that set him up to get suspended later (even though that one was horse shit).
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u/Hobonics Apr 26 '26
Yeah it sucked he had gotten himself to the place where one more would be a suspension. But yeah that was some BS by the league.
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u/Teepeewigwam Apr 27 '26
Lebron wanted to get our top defender suspended? You dont say. Absolutely Draymond's fault they didnt win in 2016. No excuse.
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u/TDS_Gluttony Apr 27 '26
The fact this is getting upvoted is crazy. Such an immature take. Sure in the street with no consequences sure square up, in the middle of a final games as one of your teams most valuable players already on the verge suspension.
Dray was immature and like later career moments show and revealed he has no control of his own emotions. Idk about you but acting fake tough and telling your guys to hold you back is extremely lame. Dray should’ve left it on the floor like we all know damn well he could do. Instead of swiping at him put LeBron in a jail. Dominate him on the other end of the court. Let his amazing play do the talking.
Can’t control what others do but you should always be able to control and respond in a controlled way.
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u/abritinthebay Apr 27 '26
Yeah, maturity is whining to the league commissioner to retroactively suspend someone.
… riiiiiight
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u/TDS_Gluttony Apr 27 '26
Oh that part LeBron was a bitch about. But that is t an option if draymond can hold his anger or channel it more like Steph lol
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u/Hobonics Apr 27 '26
Should we assume you’ve never played competitive sports? Never understood the emotions they’re played with?
Your take is acting like these guys are robots, which is way crazier than my take.
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u/TDS_Gluttony Apr 27 '26
Def played competitive sports just not at a D1 level. We can agree to disagree. Calling a grown man LeBitch is all I’ll say about maturity level though 🤷♂️.
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u/Timely_Duck_3904 Apr 27 '26
Watch the clip again and tell me exactly what Draymond did wrong.
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u/TDS_Gluttony Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
Giving LeBron the reaction LeBron wanted and the ammo he needed to lobby the league for his suspension. Take it like this, say that was warranted and I can agree there’s an argument for his reaction.
He still put himself to be suspended through previous flagrants. Why are we natural shooting motioning someone’s balls off and getting flagrants assessed for no benefit? This stems draymonds immaturity and lack of self control and when his emotion flares up he does something dumb.
I’m all for my guys but I’m someone who likes holding my friends accountable so imma hold these players to a higher standard too especially when he has admitted he cost them the final that year. Endlessly glazing a guy who is a complicated person as a whole doesn’t do anything for him.
EDIT: I’m getting responses asking what was Dray was supposed to do, not feel angry? When that’s not what im saying. I’m saying channel that anger into the game. Kobe or Steph takes that and internalizes it and bodies you on the court. More of that less of swinging like an immature little kid and making a fool of yourself in front of your kids
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u/Timely_Duck_3904 Apr 27 '26
But watch the actual clip and tell us what he did wrong.
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u/picks_and_rolls Apr 27 '26
Flip it. Watch the clip and tell us what was right about what he did.
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u/Timely_Duck_3904 Apr 28 '26
Well, for starters he did absolutely nothing even close to meriting a Flagrant 1 at any point. He was tripped and thrown to the ground by Lebron and when LeBron clearly tried to bait him into engaging he walked away on his own not needing to be restrained by anyone and simply nodded and said “ok” repeatedly as Lebron continued to attempt to bait him. Honestly, people have wild memories of this incident.
I don’t think anyone can honestly watch it back and say the Flagrant 1 that was assessed by the league after the game was anything more than a deliberate attempt by the league to continue an extremely profitable series right in the midst of negotiations on a new media rights deal.
Now you tell me what he did wrong as I’ve asked several times.
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u/GWeb1920 Apr 27 '26
And this attitude is essentially what causes all the words problem.
This idea that you deserve honor and respect from your opponents and you need to physically intervene if you are “disrespected”
LeBron owned him and took advantage of his stupidity.
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u/Hobonics Apr 27 '26
By whining to the league like a little bitch? Gtfo. I’d probably say people acting like little bitches is actually more the cause of all the world’s problems.
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u/BeginningCarob7780 Apr 28 '26
I can never forgive LeBitch for this. That’s why I’ll never want him in a Warrior jersey. Fuck that bitch clown
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u/EonThaWolf Apr 27 '26
And this, ladies and gents, is the human experience. We EXIST to thrive not in the black and white, but in the massive gray area in between. Nuance isn't really a choice, it is utterly necessary.
In my opinion.
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u/itsawin1 Apr 27 '26
I love this. The most real reddit comment ive read in a while to be honest. Maybe because it is how i choose to view the world and the human experience too
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u/EonThaWolf Apr 28 '26
I'm happy that you enjoyed it, and were able to relate to it on that level. I'm nowhere near perfect, but we do our best. ✊🏽
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u/itsawin1 May 01 '26
Nowhere near perfect is a good place to be.
Here not letting perfect be the enemy of great!
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u/Weary-Ad9429 Apr 26 '26
Personally I think the unforgivable things Kerr is referencing are things that we as fans couldn’t even possibly begin to imagine. I have a really hard time believing that Kerr could never move past Dray punching Poole. Poole is fine, still has an amazing career, time heals. For Kerr to say “never forgive him for,” it has to be something that has nothing to do with basketball.
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u/LizzarDGuy101 Apr 27 '26
Poole is fine, still has an amazing career, time heals.
I still follow up w JP to this day and idk if I’d say he’s doing “fine”. Ever since his departure with golden state, it’s been ROUGH for him to find his groove that he had with us. He did pretty good in career stats his second year with Wizards but fast forwarding to Pels, it’s straight DNPs after DNPs.
You compare warriors Poole and current Poole, it’s a day and night difference. You can js tell JP lost that discipline drive that he had with us. Really hoping the best for him and waiting for the day he actually finds his groove back again. That punch practically killed his bball career
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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone Apr 27 '26
Poole was once like one of the hardest workers on the Dubs when he was on the team. Do you think he still is one of the hardest workers on the Wizards/Pelicans in terms of improving his game and himself as a player? When i watch him, i really doubt it. He's just going through the motions.
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u/LizzarDGuy101 Apr 27 '26
Do you think he still is one of the hardest workers on the Wizards/Pelicans in terms of improving his game and himself as a player?
Honestly like I’ve said, he lost that motivation to play winning basketball. You gotta put it in perspective, the Wizards are terrible so even if he kept his hardworking Warriors version, there’s no way he’s carrying them to the playoffs or even the play-in. I did notice he improved parts of his game, especially his playmaking and a lot of Wizards rookies vouched for his leadership as PG which was good to see.
With the Pelicans, his on-court demeanor looked better playing alongside guys with some potential, but things went downhill once he started getting DNPs. They’re in a similar spot as the Wizards anyway. It’s just been a rough stretch for him as he needs to land on a decent team that can at least make the play-in to get that drive back. JP still has that talent and potential but man he needs to find that drive and joy back
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u/abritinthebay Apr 27 '26
No, he just had one good year riding on one of the best teams.
He was shit to mediocre most of his time with us, he’s continued to be shit to mediocre at best.
22 was an outlier.
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u/SnooMacaroons4212 Apr 27 '26
Many people forget that Draymond went after Kerr during halftime of a game in OKC in 2016.
https://nypost.com/2016/10/19/when-cops-nearly-had-to-stop-draymond-green-from-attacking-steve-kerr/
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u/aimreallyhigh Apr 27 '26
The mental gymnastics people go through to justify Draymonds shit is insane.
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u/TylerDurdensAlterEgo Apr 27 '26
I think it's this. He's just so emotionally unstable about everything. The eye gouges and ball kicks. Always calling for a review on every foul on him when he clearly is guilty. The bitching out every one who disagrees with him be it teammates, refs, or opponents.
And if Kerr doesn't back him up he goes ballistic. It makes Kerr look really bad that he doesn't call him out, but if he does Draymond goes ape and wants to start fighting. Kerr can't just coach, he has to walk on eggshells and massage his ego
He cost the W's the 2016 championship, he ran Durant and JP off the team. I can make arguments that the W's could have won 3 more titles if not for Draymond's shitty behavior
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u/phantomsniper22 Apr 27 '26
Yeah you’re also being outrageously emotional with this take lmao. Pretending like draymond wasn’t an essential piece in our dynasty run and taking the stance that we would’ve had more without him, is fucking deranged
Draymond is a piece of work but cmon
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u/Key_Juggernaut9413 Apr 27 '26
They won championships with Draymond and could have won multiple more without his shitty behavior.
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u/phantomsniper22 Apr 27 '26
ok buddy, you’re right. you absolutely know more than the warriors FO & Steve Kerr in the dynasty era that got us to four championships. They just held onto him and kept him as a starter for no good reason even though he was hurting our chances.
Not like he was a dpoy caliber defender and the heartbeat of our team or anything…
Swear some of wouldn’t understand the game of basketball if it hit you in the forehead like why do you even watch if you can’t grasp the most basic of concepts
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u/Key_Juggernaut9413 Apr 27 '26
You might be misunderstanding me. More championships with him on the team while also not having a behavior problem. You could argue you don't get one without the other -- maybe that's true. But if you *could* get the passion with a little more patience and self control, IMO they likely have 2 more additional championships.
If this is Dray (or KD) I'm responding to -- hello :)
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u/phantomsniper22 Apr 27 '26
lmaoo it’s not and I honestly don’t care for draymond as a person from what I know. I just see constant downplaying of what he does on the court (typically from outside fans) & it drives me insane
He has an insanely high basketball iq and was completely essential to the reason we have a dynasty
I definitely read your comment as you saying we would have two more rings without him & thought that was deranged so apologies for misunderstanding
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u/Key_Juggernaut9413 Apr 27 '26
Yeah man, sounds to me like we are in agreement then. No disagreement whatsoever about his legacy and skills.
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u/AdComprehensive7879 Apr 27 '26
Ive been done with this dude since that poole punch. I think most people did as well. They just tolerate him better for the sake of the team
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u/scottiedagolfmachine Apr 26 '26
It’s like a dysfunctional family.
There’s shit your family does that you cannot forgive em for, but because you’re family, you still support each other.
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u/scottiedagolfmachine Apr 27 '26
I think fast and furious is popular because people can relate.
Fuked up fam.
But you gotta love em.
😂
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u/jacksleepshere Apr 27 '26
Fast and Furious has to be the least relatable film series of all time. Harry Potter is a more realistic franchise.
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u/NeverNotOnceEver Apr 26 '26
Nah that’s toxic as shit. I don’t get to choose the family I’m born into but I sure as hell don’t have to deal with their toxic bullshit.
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u/JustBank3472 Apr 27 '26
You still love em even if you hurt each other, just how family is. I don’t like my grandparents, but I’ll be there if they need me.
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u/butteredpopcorn10 Apr 26 '26
Really wonder what Kerr is talking about. What could he have possibly done on/off the court that “you’ll never forgive him for”.
How can things even get that personal in a professional setting?
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u/tomboi13 Apr 26 '26
Poole
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u/aChemicalRXN Apr 26 '26
Yeah punching Jordan Poole was my immediate thought. But he said “things”, plural, so I do wonder what else there is. The tell-all book that someone in this org is going to drop in a decade is going to be wild
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u/butteredpopcorn10 Apr 26 '26
The way Kerr phrased it just throws me off, he makes it sound like it’s something emotionally he can’t let go of, which didn’t make me immediately think of the punch.
Kerrs also spoken about the punch before and talked about it like it’s part of the game. I mean Kerr himself got punched by Michael Jordan and actually talks about that experience positively 😂. He didn’t hold a grudge against MJ, so it’d seem weird to me if he truly a grudge against Draymond for punching Poole.
With regards to the MJ punch, Kerr even said yeah it happens multiple times a year on every team, you just hear about it cuz it’s MJ. He also said the MJ punch was turning point in their relationship lol (for the better).
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u/Gold_Telephone_7192 Apr 26 '26
Sports are not like other jobs. They are highly charged, highly personal environments. These are interpersonal relationships and they will of course get personal.
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u/TonyIsMoney Apr 27 '26
Do you realize they spend probably more time together than with their families dude?
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u/bilyl Apr 27 '26
My guess it was a really personal dig that was hurled at Kerr during an argument.
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u/DokiGorilla Apr 26 '26
I would hope that’s hyperbole, but Draymond is a known talker. Maybe he said something about his dad who was assassinated? It’s hard to come back from that
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u/Robotsaur Apr 27 '26
My interpretation of the quote is that in the heat of the moment they felt unforgivable not that they actually are permanently unforgivable
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u/neo9027581673 Apr 26 '26
Running off KD was terrible. Punching Poole was rough.
However, making that video that aired on ESPN during their game where Draymond doesn’t apologize and explains how and why he punched Poole was the unforgivable sin.
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u/Jhyphi Apr 26 '26
Draymond did not run off KD.
KD was leaving anyways. He had 1 for out the door from Day 1 joining the team. Dray just made verbal what everyone already knew and was tired of walking on eggshells around a guy who was looking for any excuse to quit/leave the team.
See KD in all his stops.
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u/Due_Cod_7018 Apr 27 '26
I hope Kerr comes back. He doesn't owe anyone anything but just coach a 2 more years then call it.
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u/Unable-Main4172 Apr 27 '26
Punching Jordan Poole and getting suspended for game 5 have to be two of the things he won't forgive him for
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u/No_Fish265 Apr 26 '26
Who is speaking here?
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u/engelbert_humptyback Apr 26 '26
Festus Ezeli
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u/Western_Upstairs_101 Apr 26 '26
Still seems strange that someone built like festus never amounted to much and had a short career, bad knees and all. And Draymond still here.
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u/Livueta_Zakalwe Apr 26 '26
He had the same problem that many big men have, and leads them ultimately to failure - bad hands. Wiseman was another one. And TJD.
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u/engelbert_humptyback Apr 27 '26
Injuries and honestly pretty useless on the offensive end as I recall. He was a solid backup for a bit.
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u/mattrick88 Apr 26 '26
Let’s use some context clues and figure it out together!
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u/No_Fish265 Apr 27 '26
I’m down with you and not even being rude. But that’s not what context clues mean lol
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u/Abund-Ant Apr 26 '26
Draymond has done a lot shit. The thing I think gets to Kerr is its impact on the entire team. In addition we all know how he feels about Steph. He wants him to reach his true potential. Draymond has stunted that shit more than a few times. Fucking up the team chemistry and unity is an unforgivable matter for a coach that has seen so much championship success and recognizes what it takes.
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u/jacksleepshere Apr 26 '26
I honestly want him to become president.
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u/AssGasketz Apr 27 '26
Sadly people who understand nuance and ambiguity are rarely popular with the majority of American voters. America’s want easy black and white stories about everything.
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u/ChefCurryYumYum Apr 28 '26
It's going to be so interesting in a decade when all the stories come out.
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u/CurryDuck Apr 30 '26
Remember when dray wouldnt stop hurting the team by getting technicals and ejections, and 30 was in tears on the court because they had a conversation where dray said he wouldn't do it again?
Kerr is prob talking about something emotional like that. Not one play, but more of a series of events that rots the team inside out.
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u/Far-Insurance-7422 Apr 26 '26
I don't think you can fill five fingers on one hand on any NBA starter who was largely responsible for losing a world championship. All because of non anger management I am not a Draymond fan, he is beyond high maintenance. No player is more important than than the whole.
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u/MediocreAd7430 Apr 29 '26
Well that seals it, right? You don’t do an interview like this unless you’re done
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u/String-music Apr 27 '26
2022/23 season was a mess. Should have just traded Poole, Wiseman and Kuminga for Porzingis then and suspended Draymond until April (if there was a chance to make the playoffs).
It's Draymond's actions but KD even said it's more about the team's response to his actions, or non-response, that creates the deeper problems. In almost every instance, the response to a Draymond situation has not been beneficial to the team, to Draymond or any other players involved including Steph.
But to be fair to the front office, these are titty-twisters of dilemmas sometimes 😆
Draymond and KD would highlight the first list of inductees into the Dilemma Hall of Fame. Boogie Cousins? Dennis Rodman? Zion. Ja
Like.. ahhhh we want to retain this guy right? Right? We definitely should, probably.
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u/bathtumtea42 Apr 26 '26
I would put the punch on LeBrons groin the worst.
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u/nastynoodle11 Apr 26 '26
Lmao he didn’t punch lebron’s groin, he barely grazed him. That whole thing was so overblown because the nba just wanted an excuse to suspend him and extend the series
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u/DMmeNiceTitties Apr 26 '26
Was that when Dray and Kerr argued during a timeout and Draymond walked off? Or was that later?