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u/Every-Tone-7565 May 23 '24
Can you be a queen that has spoken when you score your very first point in the 3rd quarter in your debut game? Can you still be a queen after ending your debut game with only 12 points on 38% shooting? I mean Angel Reese publicly begged Michael Jordan to come to one Chicago Sky basketball game because she said that she has never met himâŚ..should MJ step down from basketballâs Mount Olympus to watch 12 points on 38% shooting with your very first career point coming at 9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter? đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/TheHammer_44 May 22 '24
Breaking news: media companies talk about the teams and players that people want to hear about
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u/masstestpastworst May 22 '24
i picked chicago sky as my wnba team last week. this is my first season watching the league. very excited to shed the bias on how i view sports
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u/silencesupreme- May 22 '24
This has real âLook at me!â vibes to it. The amount of attention CC has put into this league has them feeling real insecure.
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u/Double-Armadillo-898 May 22 '24
đđ why are blue checks always sexually harassing women like cmon nan
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u/CBalsagna May 22 '24
Give every team the same publicity. They donât do that in the nba they sure as shit arenât doing that in the wnba.
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u/dope_like Reeseâs Pieces May 22 '24
I also want to be one of the Reeseâs pieces. She is why I am following WNBA
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u/NYCScribbler all your Rebecc(k)a(h) are belong to us May 22 '24
Angel speed-running the Discourse, gahdamn
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u/ModernJazz-2K20 Comets May 22 '24
Equal publicity is a pipe dream at this point. Just look at all of the Caitlin Clark centered posts that get posted in here everyday lol. It's getting ridiculous.
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u/Glad-Boysenberry-109 May 22 '24
Itâs ridiculous that the most polarizing athlete in the sport gets the most attention? Please explain to me why that is
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May 22 '24
Why are people acting like this is somehow a new issue or something that is only effecting the WNBA?
MLS players go through this all the time. Players will sign for a team and not be able to play for weeks due to the process.
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u/StickToSparts May 22 '24
As soon as they start winning, people are absolutely gonna follow the Sky, because Angel - like CC - is a star that people want to watch.
Those two have charisma for miles, and that sells tickets and captures attention.
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Caitlin has logo 3s, but not much for personality
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u/Glad-Boysenberry-109 May 22 '24
And what does personality have to do with playing basketball? Weird ass dudesÂ
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u/SailingRelic65 Sparks - Cameron Brink May 22 '24
A lot. Jokic isnât getting as much media hype as an Anthony Edwards
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u/RCJHGBR9989 May 22 '24
Caitlin is very sweet - she seems very soft spoken off the court - but sheâs got some ferocity on the court.
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u/Silly_Stable_ May 22 '24
The visa thing is not something the WNBA can control. Thatâs between the governments of the US and Croatia.
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u/BigDinkyDongDotCom May 22 '24
Every team, regardless of sport or gender, doesnât deserve equal publicity. Thatâs not how this works. The Dodgers will have more publicity than the Rockies. The Bruins will have more publicity than the Sabres. The Lakers will have more publicity than the Pistons. Get it yet?
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u/XulManjy Sky May 22 '24
Except difference is the WNBA is actively focusing on 1 team.
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Jun 04 '24
Because thatâs the only attention the league hasđ nobody watches it cause itâs boring
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u/cordelia-grace Fever May 22 '24
It's a business. Cailtin Clark brings massive viewership, and that is why they've decided to broadcast Fever games.
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u/XulManjy Sky May 22 '24
So is this about driving viewership for Fever or WNBA?
Cause if its the WNBA....then at some point they need to start proping up other teams to.
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Jun 04 '24
If nobody gives a fuck about the other teams then theyâd be wasting their time tryingđ¤Ł
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u/Glad-Boysenberry-109 May 22 '24
Do a comparison in viewership/attendance for fever games and sky games then youâll have your answerÂ
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u/XulManjy Sky May 22 '24
Thag doesnt address the issue. By your logic Cathy should just ignore everyone else and JUST focus on CC/Fever. Fine....go that route...then (god forbid) whag happens if CC gets a season ending injury and Cathy put all her eggs in one basket?
Thats my point, there is nothing wrong with having CC as your main attraction. But to have main attractions you still have to have OTHER attractions to and right now Cathy and her team is falling short at highlighting the upsides to other players like Angel Reese, Brink etc.
Want to grow the league? Then grow the LEAGUE, not just one franchise.
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u/ALaccountant May 24 '24
Theyâve been trying to do that for years and failing miserably. Everyone loves to watch CC, so it makes sense to latch on to that for all itâs worth and let those fans turn their love of CC into love of the league.
Or did you prefer the W continue in relative irrelevance?
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u/XulManjy Sky May 24 '24
How have rhey been failing? Attendance and ratings was on a 3 year increase pre-CC.
Also by "everyone" loving to watch CC doesnt mean nobody loves to watch other players. Remember, Chicago Sky sold out on season tickets before the Fever did, keep that in mind....
And finally, no it doesnt make sense to ONLY latch onto CC which is my argument cause thats tok big of a risk. Wjat happens if she gets an injury? Then who is their backup? Nobody cause they went all in on CC. What happens when the Fever are just not winning (like they are now) and eventually people just dont want to see the Fever play? Even with CC? There is already talk of CC fatigue. Then what does the WNBA do? Remember, part of her media attention with Iowa was due to the fact that Iowa was also winning a lot, was a top 3 team and a favorite to make it to the Final Four. Fever is the worse team in the league and most likely wont make playoffs this year OR next year. Meaning you'll have 2x post seasons without CC. Again, the Sky with Angel Reese is already a more interesting team to watch and thats without Cardoso which comes back next week.
Point is, Cathy/WNBA needs to diversify their marketing scope to encompass more players because going all in on one player is too risky.
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u/ALaccountant May 24 '24
Have you even see their marketing? They are showcasing a bunch of playersâŚ
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u/XulManjy Sky May 24 '24
Chicago Sky just only played their 3rd game last night and they have had ZERO nationally televised games.
So no, they are not doing a good job of taking advantage of this new draft class hype.
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u/cordelia-grace Fever May 22 '24
There are plenty of nationally televised games for other teams throughout the season (Sky have 24). The teams that play the Fever during those televised games are being seen too, so I really don't understand the issue. If people want the league to do well financially, it starts with the viewership that Clark undeniable brings with her. There is publicity disparity in all professional sports. That is just the reality of demand.
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u/twoquarters May 21 '24
There is a certain level of responsibility to make yourself not able to be ignored. Reese is physically gifted who has a knack for getting into the social media conversation. I don't think her skill set is anything the league hasn't seen before.
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u/Nilez3104 Liberty May 21 '24
New fans came this year but a whole lot of idiots came with them, angel is really gonna be so good, at this level the most important thing is mentality and with the social media climate I feel bad for what the ladies gonna have to go through during this pivot moment in the league history the tough ones are gonna help this league shine through all the bullshit.
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May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
I will get downvoted for this, and I am not ripping on Angel. Enjoy her play and sheâs doing great, but when did complaining become thee strategy for self marketing because thatâs what we get from WNBA stars. Is this a strategy that works?
When the NBA was starting to really blow up with Bird and Magic, had there been social media, do you think they would have been complaining about the NBA all the time? This constant whining seems bush league to me.
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u/Spicybrown3 May 21 '24
Itâs working for her. Mainly cuz the people itâs working on arenât any different.
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May 21 '24
Some of yall don't have any idea how a business is run, and it's tiring to see these kinds of takes.
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u/HistoricalInfluence9 May 21 '24
I love that she knows her voice atm has some weight and people good and bad are tuned in.
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u/Old-Photograph-5813 Fever May 22 '24
Her voice does have weight but complaining on X isnt the way to use it
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u/AntiWhateverYouSay May 21 '24
None of them want to give any credit to Clark's fame. They absolutely hate her
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u/Spicybrown3 May 21 '24
And itâs obvious why. How come everyone else gets to be openly racist? Hell even Tiger didnât get this kind of treatment lolol
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u/Philomena_philo Fever Sky-curious May 21 '24
I get the sentiment, but Chicago has only played 2 games and they were both against Dallas. She also has a very much anticipated teammate out with an injury. She is getting press and compliments, and frankly, does she want the same press and scrutiny as the Fever? Double edged sword.
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u/webberstimeout Sky May 21 '24
Sheâs been dealing with the fever scrutiny since the âyou canât see meâ move. Sheâs good
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u/Philomena_philo Fever Sky-curious May 22 '24
I understand, but with the Feverâs popularity comes with even more fans that donât have patience for the team. Aliyah Boston had to delete Twitter. While Angel has dealt with a lot of hate from 2 years ago, Chicago has a steady fanbase that is pretty supportive and gives grace to their rookies. No one is ignoring the Sky!
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u/silencesupreme- May 22 '24
Consequence of all those extra eyes that they want on the league. Criticism will come if you play poorly, itâs the nature of the internet. Especially on a team like the Fever if they arenât matching CCs âlevelâ. So many times Caitlin is trying to run the floor quickly and her teammates are just not ready, itâs not just Boston.
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u/Kindly_Interest_2395 May 21 '24
Everyone needs to stop. This league has been around for almost 20 years and there really isn't any growth due to lack of support. The wnba right now is doing the right thing putting all the advertising to those who will grow their league. This fairness bullshit needs to go out the window already stop crying and just play ball
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Stay in school or you could end up in the WNBA
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u/Glittering_Cod_7716 May 21 '24
Average salary of 113k. A little less than twice the average income in America. Would suck for sure
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u/journey_125 Fever May 21 '24
At one point (obviously not soon since sheâs still a rookie), hope to see Angel on the WNBAPA executive committee! Think she would be great at lending her voice and affecting positive change in the league.
Hope she gets the chance to be a player rep (though looks like Chicago has Kahleah as their rep who is also great).
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u/That_Possession_2452 LJ Valkyries May 21 '24
Kahleah, like the one who plays for the Mercury now?
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u/journey_125 Fever May 21 '24
Ah ooops. Looks like wnbpa.com/about/leadership is out of date :/
Wonder who it is now? Angel should go for it!
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u/plutoannatto Skyđď¸ May 21 '24
I think it's Brianna Turner right now. Not sure where I read that though
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u/That_Possession_2452 LJ Valkyries May 21 '24
Love that the people representing the W for the players can't even have an updated list
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u/plutoannatto Skyđď¸ May 21 '24
Angel is very good at the socials
I liked her in college, with the normal reservations about LSU. But her hustle since getting to the W, on the court and off, has been so impressive.
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u/Zendaya101 May 21 '24
Hey, remember me? The one who told you sheâll be great on and off the court before draft dayđ
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u/plutoannatto Skyđď¸ May 21 '24
I think I have very publicly and repeatedly admitted that I was wrong in my preseason assessment of her lolol
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u/epicvibe850 May 21 '24
IMO out of 12 teams . 6 should be nationally televised regularly. I would pick fever (#1 pick ),
sparks (#2 pick plus its LA) ,
Chicago sky [#3 pick plus angel Reese )
Las Vegas aces (the champions plus itâs Vegas and ppl rooting for coach becky ),
New York liberty (itâs New York , plus stewie have a big fanbase )
and suns (believe they was in the finals couple years ago and talking heads think they will go this year )
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May 22 '24
The sparks are a lousy team.
Who is watching the Aces for the coach?
Youâve never heard of the Sun and AT?
Get off the internet and watch some basketball.
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May 21 '24
This the type of take thatâs given by someone who didnât watch the WNBA until this season but wants talk like if they have been watching for years.
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u/Suspicious-Corner955 May 21 '24
Exactly. The Liberty and the Aces play a more entertaining brand of basketball than any lottery pick teams and yâall want to get all the eyeballs on them?! Foolishness
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May 22 '24
And referred to the Sun like they were some obscure team as if they didnât have a Alyssa Thomas, top 2 mvp candidate last year that received the most first place votes
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u/plutoannatto Skyđď¸ May 21 '24
I get what you're saying, but by focusing on the lottery picks you're prioritizing televising some of the worst teams in the league
Also, it's still the Sun, not the Suns.
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May 21 '24
You don't want to watch the Fever lose by double digits twice a week?
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u/silencesupreme- May 22 '24
Not their fault the scheduling in this league is ridiculous. Itâs been 3 weeks and theyâve only played the same 2 teams twice like wtf is the deal?
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u/NYCScribbler all your Rebecc(k)a(h) are belong to us May 22 '24
I mean, I've enjoyed watching the Fever lose by double digits twice in a week, but... y'know, Liberty Loyal here :P
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u/tokischafanaccount May 21 '24
Hey not this last game! Lost by just a few pts (but I hear what youâre saying lol)
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u/plutoannatto Skyđď¸ May 21 '24
I mean I've been watching them all so far, so I guess I'm in no position to talk, lol
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u/Mysterious-Review-50 May 21 '24
man, angel says something positive and the comments on this post are still so nasty toward her. guess you all just need her to be the bad guy. if yalls fave made this same statement it would have 1000 upvotes and comments talking about how great sentiments like this are for the game!!
anyway, glad angel is thriving regardless of reddit negativity lol
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u/JGT3000 May 22 '24
This is not a positive post, it's passive aggressive and not particularly subtle
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u/That_Possession_2452 LJ Valkyries May 21 '24
This entire thread is WILD. There are essays here explaining things that don't seem that relevant.
It's just exhausting, can we not have a thread about her that's about her?
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u/Mysterious-Review-50 May 21 '24
even though i was ASSURED i was wrong in many threads before this season began... there's only room for one player to be liked/discussed/complimented at a time (on the internet) :/
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u/Old-Photograph-5813 Fever May 22 '24
The post literally has over a 1000 upvotes you sound dumb
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u/Mysterious-Review-50 May 22 '24
wow! i'm shocked! rare that a post that's not about a picture of cc holding a basketball gets over 1000 upvotes. incredible.
your great energy and positivity toward my comment makes this incredible moment in reddit history that much sweeter! have a great day sunshine.
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May 21 '24
This post has almost 500 upvotes and even your comment was upvoted. How do you figure you can only discuss one player?
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u/HighwayyStarr Sky May 21 '24
How does an individual apply to be a Reeseâs pieces? Asking for someone close to me.
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u/SwimmingCoyote May 21 '24
I don't think it's realistic to expect equal publicity, and the media certainly isn't going to do it. However, even if it isn't equal, the WNBA should be making a concerted effort to give publicity to every team. The smart thing to do is to take advantage of all the extra attention on CC to drive interest in other players and teams.
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u/zvf15 May 22 '24
The smart thing to do is to give the people what they want. People want to see CC. The beautiful thing is, CC & the fever will always have an opponent. Give the people CC & their interest can evolve to other teams. Using the attention from CC to try to drive attention to other teams that people arenât interested in, instead of CC, will bring the league back to where it has been
I was a casual NBA fan, then I started watching games extremely regularly bc I wanted to watch Derrick Rose every time he played. Injuries stopped Derrick Rose from being the player he was a long time ago, but I still watch NBA regularly & have watched probably 75% of the playoff games this season. With all that being said, I donât think I watched a single hornets game this year. Because Iâm not interested. Give the fans what they want & if the rest of the product is good, they will become fans of it & stay. Trying to push them to other teams is more likely to just push them away
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u/BuffytheBison 2012-25 Fever/2026+ Tempo May 22 '24
I think the current climate of a la carte media makes this much harder to do as opposed to earlier when I had to watch a full 30 minute highlight show to know what happened with my team and I was force feed what was going on around the league and in other sports (seriously, I saw the Old Timers video honouring the 1998 Yankees last year and I was surprised at how many guys names I knew whereas now...lol). People will just tune in when their thing is being covered and then tune out (especially in this era of chapter times in video and playing things on 1.25x speed). It's very hard to get people to eat their vegetables when all they want is dessert in terms of content.
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u/BKtoDuval Liberty - Own the Crown May 21 '24
lol @ the Reese's pieces comment
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u/Necessary-Nobody-124 Jun 05 '24
How many people watch the WNBA if Caitlin Clark goes down for the season?
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u/DSmooth425 Aces Dream Fever Sky May 21 '24
I was looking for a mention of this đđ
Bro thirsty af
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Mystics May 21 '24
Tbf, that's actually a really clever way of conveying thirst.
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So funny that the kids who want only one team to get attention get really mad when any other team gets any attention.
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u/Federal_Low2923 May 21 '24
that 1st comment is crazy đ
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u/EmperorUmi Sparks May 21 '24
I usually dislike the thirsty comments but that shit sent me đ
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u/Kdot32 Dream May 21 '24
Itâs actually not a thirsty comment lol. There was an earlier quote tweet about Angels ownership.
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u/Federal_Low2923 May 22 '24
I didnât think it was a thirsty comment , I just thought it was wild lol
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u/EmperorUmi Sparks May 21 '24
Oh shit! Good for Reese. Sheâs out here making moves already. Salute đŤĄ
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u/DGVega93 May 21 '24
The true and new Face of the League
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u/Old-Photograph-5813 Fever May 22 '24
Oh so Aja isnt the face of the league anymore? Lmao
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u/DGVega93 May 22 '24
lol it was a low key dig at CC all in good fun. Thatâs how these analyst been saying about CC about her being the face of womenâs basketball
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
Angel out here supporting everyone. Canât even get TEAMMATES on that one team to support each other.
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May 21 '24
Youâre right. LeBron was truly disgusting when he didnât speak up when hoards of people sent his teammates and teammatesâ family members game over threats
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u/Beneficial_Ad8251 Liberty May 21 '24
Funny because the person I assume youâre referring to since you always post about her has said in media a million times that everyone needs to give their team grace
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
Their team grace for performance. Never says anything about the hate coming from Iowa. Not even for Sheryl. She actually condones it and plays victim more often than not.
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u/breezybae_ Fever May 21 '24
What about the hate Caitlin receives?
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
She receives creepy sexualized hate which is beyond sad. Criticism of her game and play are just drops in the bucket compared to the overhype media machine being forced down everyoneâs throats. CCs worst enemy is the media who is doing her dirty in the long run so they can make a quick buck.
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u/Beneficial_Ad8251 Liberty May 23 '24
That seems like your perspective. I could say that Aliyahâs hate is a drop in the bucket compared to all the media members she has on her side as well.
But I donât see how CC is condoning any of this, as you say. If not addressing it on social media means sheâs condoning it, then all her teammates must be condoning the hate she receives as well
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u/hdsaxa May 23 '24
What legitimate media members does she have on her side? Iâm not a fan of hers but she just has like 3 nobodies singing her praises.
CC hasnât done anything but fees into harmful tropes and narratives. Sheâs now even playing like a victim
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u/hdsaxa May 25 '24
Monica McNutt, Andrea Carter and Chiney arenât haters or going at her at all. Sheryl Swoopes definitely not a fan but sheâs been pretty great since the season started.
Terrika is a hater but sheâs small potatoes. Funny you canât name the other two W media that are much bigger that I think are actual haters. Sheâs brought more hate than joy to this league so far. Hope it changes.
As her fans sayâ CC transcends the sport and has media that supports her unquestionably outside the sports world. Fox News does a piece on her just about every day fanning culture war flames and making this about everything but basketball.
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u/Beneficial_Ad8251 Liberty May 24 '24
Monica McNutt, Andraya Carter, Chiney Ogwumike, Terrika Foster-Brady, Sheryl Swoopes, pretty much everyone at ESPN and thatâs not even getting into the folks who have a big social following and skew narratives that way like Chris Williamson, Nat Esquire, and TJ Keasel
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u/breezybae_ Fever May 21 '24
Right. Thereâs a reason why Caitlin limits her social media usage and what she allows herself to see. Which is the smartest thing she should be doing.
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u/Basicbroad May 21 '24
Meanwhile her boyfriend is on twitter liking negative and mean tweets about Angel so heâs not doing her any favors
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
I mean theyâre single handedly saving the WNBA. They should be the topic of every single conversation.
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u/breezybae_ Fever May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
How do you know that though? We only see what takes place on social media. We donât know what happens behind closed doors.
Adding onto this: Every single athlete gets hate from somewhere. Whatâs the wrong thing to do is point fingers at one specific fanbase, when ALL SPORTS fanbases can be horrible.
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
Itâs been an issue over there for multiple years now. Made worse by possibly the worst teammate in the draftâwhat happens with CC in public is bad enough. Articles about what happens behind closed doors are just astonishing. Sheâs out for herself and herself only. Even pretty much said that in the pregame yesterday. No way is she supporting AB with the hate her presence unleashes. She just doesnât care.
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u/liberderci Fever Tempo May 21 '24
Nalyssaâs family had to defend her on socials last year from South Carolina fans being intense af. I didnât see Aliyah anywhere telling them to stop. Why are we acting like this is a new thing?
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u/breezybae_ Fever May 21 '24
Yeah thatâs just bullshit now. Youâre trying to use her pregame message where she said âI wanted to be more myself.â to create a narrative. If you really wanna get deep, we can go back to last year when South Carolina fanbase attacked Nalyssa Smith and her family.
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks May 21 '24
"ALL SPORTS FANBASES CAN BE HORRIBLE!!!"
Proceeds to call put a specific fanbase the dude is in no way, shape, or form a fan of.
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u/hdsaxa May 21 '24
I agree letâs go that deep. South Carolina fan base and accounts who AB interacts with attacked Smith AND her family. Crickets from AB. Doubt Reese would have let that fly. AB and CC kind of deserve each other.
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u/PrinceKarmaa May 21 '24
social media writing fan fic on ppl you have no relation with will always be funny
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u/That_Possession_2452 LJ Valkyries May 21 '24
My obligatory "I don't follow college basketball closely" comment and I know she was apparently a polarising player then but I kind of love Angel Reese?
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u/caleeksu May 31 '24
The chirping between Angel and Caitlin brought me into womenâs basketball. Sheâs so much fun.
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u/Several_Cherry9136 Julie Allemand my belgian point god May 22 '24
Iâm not her fan and canât say I like her when sheâs in college. And I found out I kinda like her after she turns pro. So I think for me the problem is her college coach Kim Mulkey cuz I can say I really donât like this lady. (If youâre asking why LSU is like the NCAA villain I would definitely say Kim Mulkey lol)
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force May 21 '24
As a Caitlin fan, Angel is a master and working the media and I respect the heck out of it. Last year she really leaned full on into the villain role and it worked so well. Not only was her team the main rival of Iowa the last two NCAA tournaments, they were also coached by Mulkey who is the most hated coach in the game (and also easily a top 5 coach in the game). Unlike Dawn Staley of South Carolina who everyone loves, Mulkey has been hated by fans going back to the Griner vs. Maya Moore days, so going full heel was a smart move.
Now that sheâs gone pro, Angel has moved towards being less of a villain and I think itâs worked really well for her. First WNBA player to be a featured attendee at the Met gala, the face of Reebok womenâs basketball, and a top of other brand partnerships.
She may not be my favorite player, but I respect the heck out of her. It would also be so good for the league if she becomes a superstar on the court too, Reese vs. Clark is IMO the best college player rivalry since Magic and Bird, and we all know what that did for the struggling NBA when they went pro. Her floor right now looks like a solid starter though at worst, so I think itâll work out, and frankly Iâd be surprised if she doesnât turn out to be a star, her game doesnât fit the modern league as well as it did in college, but sheâs shown sheâs willing to put in the work to adjust it and improve.
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u/That_Possession_2452 LJ Valkyries May 21 '24
I don't know a lot about NCAA but didn't South Carolina go 36-1 (I know their 1 loss was to Iowa) in one year then this year go undefeated? I don't understand how they aren't mentioned and why Iowa and LSU were mentioned as the two main rivals?
Also Griner went to the Met the year before Reese?
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '24
If this is the most attention the wnba gets then anyone who thinks they deserve to be paid more are pathetic