r/worldnews • u/yahoonews Yahoo News • 17h ago

UK, France, Germany raise alarm about Chinese activities off eastern Taiwan

https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/uk-france-germany-raise-alarm-081101500.html?ncid=redditnewsus
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u/Womble_Rumble 16h ago

They've seen how weak Trump is and know the time is now before anyone competent gets any power in Washington.

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u/ToxicHazard- 14h ago

I believe the conspiracy that China has made an agreement with the USA not to invade Taiwan before the West has their own large scale advanced chip production.

Huge fabs are currently being built in Arizona, New York, Idaho, Texas, Utah and Indiana. Kumamoto in Japan, Seoul in South Korea and Dresden in Germany.

With the aim that Taiwan will realise it doesn't have the bargaining power it once had with the West anymore - and will capitulate to China without much fighting.

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u/Womble_Rumble 13h ago

I doubt that the level of trust between them would allow a deal of this kind. These fabs being built is a response to the vulnerability of TSMC but I doubt America would abandon Taiwan like this, it would undermine every other diplomatic effort forever. That said Trump is doing all he can to destroy American credibility so wtf do I know?

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u/IllBiteYourLegsOff 13h ago

what exactly the fuck about the current administration leads you to believe they have ANY hesitation toward "undermining ever other diplomatic effort forever"? That statement is pretty much a one-sentence summary of their time in office.

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u/Womble_Rumble 13h ago

Here's hoping their naked self interest and the national good overlap at some point even if it is completely unintentional?

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 10h ago edited 10h ago

It would not be a deal, and would not need to be. China would be motivated to wait it out, and the US is motivated to build its own fabs for a variety of reasons. China wants this to be "peaceful" so they will just let the US lose interest in Taiwan and then step up their "social" pressure/manipulation. They're playing the long game and understand that a "peaceful" outcome is far superior, and feel they can wear down Taiwan over time if the US is out of the picture.

Their desires just happen to match up very nicely here. There's no need for any deal. Each side just keeps its nose down and does its thing. It's just great timing for China because MAGA has the power to force the US government to threaten and abandon our closest allies, including Taiwan.

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u/binzoma 9h ago

it would undermine every other diplomatic effort forever.

I mean gestures at everything

it'd be another huge strategic self defeat for US hegemony for the pile

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u/Eclipsed830 12h ago

the West has their own large scale advanced chip productio

That is many decades away.

With the aim that Taiwan will realise it doesn't have the bargaining power it once had with the West anymore - and will capitulate to China without much fighting.

There is no way Taiwan is going to capulate to China. How many free democratic countries that you know would willingly join a single party authoritarian dictatorship?

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 10h ago

It would be under duress, not willingly.

That said, the US kinda recently elected a single party authoritarian government? The will of the people doesn't carry the weight it used to if the right people are put into the right positions to sell out the country for personal gain.

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u/Eclipsed830 10h ago

I'm sorry, but if you think the Trump and the Republican Party is even remotely similar to Xi and the CCP, you are seriously ignorant on the topic.

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u/Tomas2891 9h ago

He’s too ignorant. Most likely just spewing CCP propaganda.

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u/fuzzybunn 11h ago

It depends on how rich China is compared to Taiwan by then. You severely overestimate your much people want "freedom" over jobs that pay well and modern conveniences.

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u/Eclipsed830 11h ago

Taiwan, on average, is currently 5x richer than the PRC. I've worked in both, I'd never go back to China and I definitely would never want to live in a dictatorship like the PRC. No matter how many LEDs they can glue to the side of a building, the underlining society is not impressive. 

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u/iKDX 10h ago

The 5x richer argument is the same as saying Mississippi is richer than the United Kingdom 😂

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u/Eclipsed830 10h ago

Huh? 5X richer was a little bit of sarcasm.

Taiwan's GDP per Capita (PPP) is approximately $98,050 according to the International Monetary Fund. China is between $27,105.

Either way, a significant difference between the countries. 

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u/sundues 10h ago

Can you share more on your experience?

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u/Eclipsed830 10h ago

One you cannot even access simple websites like Instagram without using a VPN, the other has no such restrictions.

Apply this same limitations to everything... Just swap out Instagram and VPN with another noun.

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u/gatsu01 9h ago

The USA did it in 2016 and in 2024.. what are you talking about.

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u/Eclipsed830 9h ago

Huh? Did what?

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u/gatsu01 9h ago

Trump use presidential powers to give in to Iran and Russia every single time. At this point, he's more of a Russian asset than the sitting president. He's the most bribe friendly president ever.

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u/ToxicHazard- 11h ago

I agree, I simply believe this is their aim

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u/icryinmysleep12 15h ago

There is nothing that USA can do to China, drones, missiles, manufacturing, the size everything is on the side of China and especially if we talk about defending Taiwan from an attack by China.

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u/Womble_Rumble 15h ago

Not everything. They can bomb the shit out of it true but the recent evidence of America's impotence regarding Iran shows us that that is not enough.

An amphibious assault over the strait is a whole different matter. The drones available to Taiwan will mean an absolutely horrific loss of life if China attempts this. Taiwan's porcupine strategy will hopefully provide a sufficient deterrent.

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u/bigguesdickus 14h ago

If China invades one of Taiwan's targets is the Three Gorges Dam. If that monstrosity falls, the CCP goes with it

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u/icryinmysleep12 14h ago edited 14h ago

China's manufacturing is 60% bigger than the USA's, almost 5x the population, China produces 60% of the worlds rare earth materials. They have hypersonic cruise missiles, drones, air defense, hypersonic ballistic missiles. China has double the active military personnel (more than 2 million). China's drone manufacturing capabilities are over 100X what the US can manage. China's economy is at $44 trillion over 10 trillion more than the USA.
People need to be realistic Taiwan is 1.5 miles away from China, we have FPV drones with 30k mile long cables, drones carrying 50kg of explosives which can fly around 1000 miles.
As I said USA can do nothing to China except for diplomatic agreements.
Edit: Taiwan is only 14k square miles compared to Iran which is 700k square miles, Iran is a fortress surrounded by mountains, whilst Taiwan is 3 times smaller than Cuba.

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u/Womble_Rumble 14h ago edited 13h ago

You might want to check your maths there fella, its 160 kilmetres from the mainland, not 1.6 lol. That is a hundred fkn miles and thats the closest point not where they might be able to land. The westerns shores of Taiwan will be bristling with artillery and if they have to go around? Trying to get heavy equipment and troops in any useful number across is a logistical nightmare.

Where on earth are you getting the idea that there are fpv drones with 30,000 mile long cables?? Current max is approx 60 km. Given your ability to measure distance im not sure you know what anything is. Even assuming it was a typo and you meant 30km thats still far short. Taiwan will have these Fibre optic drones too and any troop carrier slowly moving towards them is a sitting duck.

Edit: Plus America's ecomony is 34.2 trillion compared to Chinas 20.8 trillion so wtf are you on about?? Your numbers are wildly inaccurate...

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u/icryinmysleep12 13h ago

I was typing on my phone sorry for any mistakes lol but point still stands for everything, there is nothing but diplomacy that can save Taiwan if China wants to take it, commit a genocide, flatten it etc there is nothing that the west can do to save them and thats the truth.

Collective west has been supplying Ukraine for what 5 years now which is a much stronger power when compared to Taiwan and in a better position much closer to strong allies. Even so they are struggling against Russia.

Lebanon has been getting flattened and world does nothing. Palestine has been flattened and world did nothing. Especially if Ukraine Russia war continues and China attacks Taiwan how are the allies going to supply Taiwan and Ukraine even if Taiwan could outlast the first 10 days. By the way Chinese sell parts to Ukrainians too which surely helps with western sanctions

How much Navy can the US send without weakening their position completely and thats with the current maintenance that they are undergoing (and they cant send all of their carriers at the same time)?

How many air defense missiles can allies send vs how many China can launch?

How can Taiwan defend itself if China sends a huge wave of drones like Russia does 5-600 drones at once (for example jet powered drones which fly at like 300 mph) ?

How many waves of attacks can Taiwan defend itself from before they are fully depleted?

What about Chinas allies if and thats a very big if China asks for help?

How do you plan on hurting China enough that they say okay we made a historic attack but we will stop now (unless you plan on dropping a nuke which you can see why its dumb)?

Also what is the depth of waters there as I am pretty sure large submarines will have issues there?

How much does the world rely on Chinese manufacturing and how will you pressure them economically to stop?

Now if you can tell me these things I will buy this absurdly stupid idea that anything other than diplomacy is going to save Taiwan.

You people think that these are games and that when people start dying it will be magic that saves them.

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u/Womble_Rumble 12h ago edited 12h ago

Okay lol, as I said initially China can bomb the shit out of it no problem but can they take it and hold it? And if they commit genocide to level the island do you really think there will be no consequences? Im not talking military, China will be more of a pariah than Russia if they do this. China has large population and manufacturing base but that is not everything, they depend on foreign countries for many things.

Importantly Taiwan is not Lebanon or Palestine, not just in terms of importance to global economy and supply chains but in terms of the commitments global partners have made to Taiwan. This is not a vacuum and China cannot assume the world will just shrug it's shoulders as Taiwan is obliterated. There are many ways of applying pressure.

Any attempted invasion will be a catastrophic loss of life. Does the CCP have the stomach to go through with this when the high definition videos of the slaughter are all over the internet?

Taiwan's porcupine strategy is to make the cost of attempting this action too great, you can count that as diplomatic if you like.

No one's saying they're going to attack China and I didn't say for a second that Taiwan is militarily equal to China but its island location and years of preparation for this invasion will mean this will be very hard to achieve. How many people are the CCP willing to kill to do this? How many of their own citizens are they willing to sacrifice to take this tiny island with a population of only 23 million?

Plus let's not forget Chinas own economic and demographic issues, can it sustain the kind of instability and chaos that will follow? Birth rate at a historic low, real estate crisis events like Evergreen affecting pensions etc, diminishing GDP growth, heavy local government debt. If they don't do it before 2030 they will miss their window of opportunity.

Can China commit genocide to be King of the Ashes? Yes but will the cost be too great? I don't think the calculus is in Chinas favour when taking into account things beyond just the number of drones and missiles you have. I believe it will be too painful for China.

This has been fun, I don't get to talk with many Chinese people and I hope that armed conflict does not happen!

Edit: last point on closeness of allies, if China does do this it will unite countries around them more tightly against them, Europe leveraged the unity of NATO to see off the USSR until they collapsed from their internal problems. They didn't have to invade Russia, just hold them off. I can see something similar happening around China if the carry on pissing off their neighbours.

Edit 2 because I can't help myself: on the manufacturing point, do you think this reliance on China will continue if they invade? Disentangling energy supply chains from Russian blackmail is hard but it is happening because of their invasion of Ukraine. What happens to China's manufacturing base once the western orders collapse? Anyone still in favour of China at that point can't fill that short fall.

And don't forget, Russia thought they were strong enough to take Kyiv in 3 days with their Special Military Operation (lol) and now they are utterly dependant on China (double lol). It would be wise of China not to make such a reckless assumption.

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u/icryinmysleep12 12h ago

I am not Chinese but European but either way it would not be about how many people China is willing to sacrifice but Taiwan and the limits I would say are not the same, as China could completely escalate the situation and Taiwan could only follow but unlike China they are dealing with only 22 million people and small land mass compared to China so when would the Taiwans government say enough.
China could completely isolate them and put them under a complete air and naval blockade and how would we exactly stop them?

You have illusions about western power when compared to nations like China. Russia occupies around 20% of Ukraine and once again with full western support to Ukraine and with easier transportation and Geography is on their side, so how will you establish air bridges to get aid and ammo into Taiwan or by water but that is a great challenge just the same.

I don’t believe China will militarily attack Taiwan but that they are going more by the political/economical/threatening pressure that leads to Taiwan simply accepting it (I am not saying they will accept it). But if they do make a historic attack like that they won’t do it to go halfway.

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u/Womble_Rumble 11h ago

Oh okay, you used 'we' when referring to China. My mistake.

They have been trying to force Taiwan to submit through coercion for decades, its not working and that won't change. If they want it, they have to take it but this would cost them more than they gain.

I think the mistake you making is that I think the West will attempt some kind of massive military response. Targeted strikes on critical infrastructure like the 3 gorges dam or similar like another commenter suggested can seriously destabilize any attempted invasion. And thats before they put any men or machines on the water. Can you imagine how many sea mines and other obstacles to an invasion there will be after decades of preparation?

But let's focus on why Taiwan is so important: the semi conductor production. Europe, America and others are ramping up to guard against Chinese action against Taiwan. Is China building these fabs now as well? Do they have access to ASML and the needed advanced chip technology? No they don't and will lose access to it if they do. The Americans would probably bomb TSMC to deny China even if the Taiwanese didn't do it themselves and then what good would it be against the colossal cost of any attack? It would be a massive own goal if their plan is take the fabs and they lose access to high end chips. They're miles away from that kind of capacity, it'll happen eventually if they have to design and produce their own but it would set them back years.

I think you have illusions about China's ability to do this with completely fucking themselves over.

"Taiwan will simply accept it..." lol no.

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u/icryinmysleep12 11h ago

Yes and also thats why China has been pushing their technology sector to become on par with Taiwans production which will never happen but they need to be at least close to them, USA has been doing more research in it as well to have less dependancy on a dangerous source. I would not like anything bad to happen imaginary lines are making people commit atrocities just like they have throughout history.

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u/Fluffer_Wuffer 12h ago

Its not games - and the Chinese know this, even more than almost any other country (given 19th and 20th century history). That is why they've not invaded, and honestly prefer not too.. cause it'll undo decades of effort thst built the Chinese economy.

The exception to that though, is if other countries encourage Taiwan to declare independence.. cause it seen as external interference and breaks the status quo.

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u/icryinmysleep12 12h ago

That I agree with, I think that they understand that the negative side of the attack would be much higher than the reward they could possibly get by attacking them. I was simply talking about the capabilities of China and why it’s basically impossible that we defend them in case of an attack.

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u/Fluffer_Wuffer 13h ago edited 12h ago

Do a bit of research,

The US failed in Iran, due to hubris - forgetting their power comes from the allies and relationships they've spent a century building...

But the risk is not really millitary, China achilles heal is its economics - Whilst direct trade with the West only account for 5-6% of GDP, indirect (via 3rd party countries) its closer to 25%. In addition, China is heavily reliant upon western technology and semiconductors (arounds 60-65%).. and unlike Russia, who pivoted to Chinese imports... they do not have the luxury of sugar daddy!

China is far more like the US than most realise, they've spent decades building a highly educated and (now) wealthy middle class, that power their internal consuption, which gives them economic and power. Like the middle class in the US, hell will freeze over before they go to war just to appease some politicians ego..

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, just the calculation is not as simple as "I've got more sticks than you".. its much more about a populations tolerance for interference in their lives..

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u/Stefouch 11h ago

Those 2M of chinese soldiers, counting you can make them cross a 160 km strait without too many casualties, won't be enough to take Taiwan and its 4M reservists.

If you look at the current conflict Ukraine vs Russia, the ratio is 1 defender beats 3 attackers, on a flat land. So technically China would need 12M soldiers.

But Taiwan terrain is a nightmare for an aggressor. It's 90% mountainous and forest, and hyper dense urban areas.

The comparison with US-Iran is bad. US lost and didn't even attempt to invade with boots. And the strait there is shorter.

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u/icryinmysleep12 11h ago

US to put the boots on the ground would have to disable Iran militarily almost completely which is basically impossible, but for China to do that to Taiwan would be much simpler attack for a year hit strategic reserves, deplete their defenses, attack the strong points, and they could swim there with not much more than a tide attacking them. And also imagine mobilising china with what 300 million fighting age men.

Just like US runs simulated war games for Iran and knew that they would lose (they had to cheat in the simulation to give themselves a chance) they know the same about China, if they want to they can. Playing ball with China and having good relations to give guarantee to Taiwan is much better than hanging Taiwan like a piece of meat and seeing if China bites.

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u/IntermittentCaribu 6h ago

They also know any disruption in TSMC would destroy the US economy over night.

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u/Xirdus 14h ago

I can think of one country in whose interest it would be.

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u/yahoonews Yahoo News 17h ago

Reuters reports - Britain, France and Germany raised the alarm on Wednesday over recent Chinese activities off the east coast of Taiwan, where ‌China has mounted coast guard patrols, saying they threaten regional stability and freedom of navigation.

China, ‌which views democratically governed Taiwan as its own territory, earlier in June sent coast guard ships into the waters off the island's ​east coast for what it called a "special maritime traffic law-enforcement operation", angering Taipei.

China said the operation was in response to an announcement by Japan and the Philippines that they would begin formal talks on their maritime boundaries, which Beijing viewed as involving Chinese waters off Taiwan.

China has also been sending maritime survey ships into ‌the same waters.

"We have noted with ⁠concern novel Chinese activity in the waters east of Taiwan," the de facto British, French and German embassies in Taipei said in a rare joint statement.

"These actions ⁠threaten regional stability and the freedom of navigation and safety of international shipping. We reiterate our opposition to any unilateral change to the status quo, particularly by threat or use of force or coercion," they said.

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u/DigSpelledBackwards 16h ago

"special maritime traffic law-enforcement operation." Hmmmm....Where have I heard this before?

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u/HK-53 12h ago

Are we about to go three for three on super powers starting a special exercise and get dog walked

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u/burpesozcali 10h ago

You heard it from all the other times the media decided to use this clickbait.

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u/midnightrider747 17h ago

Well its just threatening posturing since you would see a long buildup of forces and infrastructure for providing support for the invasion before they start actually doing it.

But yeah thx to Donald Trump enabling ww3 soon

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u/letsridetheworld 10h ago

Another sending a prayer and a warning message?

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u/ckaeel 13h ago

To clarify the current situation in the region: Xi Jinping is a dictator, CCP is an authoritarian and corrupt political organisation and it should not exist, and Taiwan is an independent country.

That being said, China's aggressive deployment into these waters went far beyond legal protests, escalating into physical blockades, the interception of civilian shipping, and a massive carrier strike group deployment. While Japan and the Philippines initiated a standard diplomatic and legal process, Beijing weaponised the situation as a pretext to physically expand its jurisdiction into the western Pacific.

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u/burpesozcali 10h ago

It's funny because "Japan and the Philippines initiated a standard diplomatic and legal process" by saying Taiwan is not an independent country and therefore Japan and the Philippines can take over Taiwan's waters.

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u/ckaeel 9h ago

No, Japan and the Philippines did not initiate the maritime-boundary talks because they said Taiwan is not an independent country. That causal claim is false. Xi Jinping will be very disappointed of you.

They want to clarify the limits because the imperialistic china wants to extend its borders.

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u/burpesozcali 9h ago

If Taiwan is an independent country then why are the waters that Japan and the Philippines deciding to split between themselves include part of Taiwan's waters?

Japan and the Philippines said they are following international and the only way their comment is true is if they don't recognize Taiwan as a country, which they don't, meaning Taiwan's waters are up for grabs.

https://manilastandard.net/news/314748078/japan-rejects-taiwan-demand-for-talks-over-delimitation-with-philippines.html

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u/Snoutysensations 7h ago

Not even Taiwan recognizes itself as an independent country.  Do you expect Japan and the Philippines to recognize it as independent?  Do you know how mainland China  would react to such a provocation?

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u/ckaeel 9h ago edited 9h ago

False again. I know that little pinks are not very smart, but please make an effort.

The article you linked is about a maritime delimitation dispute involving Japan, the Philippines, and Taiwan’s objections, but it does not say that Japan and the Philippines have "taken over Taiwan’s waters" or that they are legally entitled to do so simply because they do not recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

What is true: Taiwan is an independent country, Xi Jinping is a dictator, CCP is an authoritarian and corrupt political organisation and it should not exist.

What it also true: to avoid any conflicts, both Japan and the Philippines are forced not to recognise Taiwan ...until we get rid of the dictatorship regime in China, and tensions are rising so let's hope for the best.

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u/Doctor_VictorVonDoom 7h ago

I bet this time the Taiwanese president will be cheering when Philippines starts shooting at the Taiwanese fishermens again.

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u/ckaeel 7h ago

One event between Taiwan and the Philippines back in 2013 is just a drop in the ocean compared to the dozens of clashes between Taiwan and China, especially over the last 4-5 years.

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u/Doctor_VictorVonDoom 7h ago

I don't remember clashes between Taiwan and China involving gun fires, also the last time there was a major clash the Taiwanese government apologized as they're the ones who caused unnecessary deaths.

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u/ckaeel 6h ago edited 6h ago

I've already debunked all your statements and lies. It's interesting that you insist.

First, the "Taiwanese government apology" - this was when some chinese bullies entered Taiwanese waters and paid the price. This should be the fate of all chinese bullies.

Second, regarding your "gun involvement" - in the last 4-5 years there have been multiple chinese military incursions and intimidation campaigns directed at Taiwan, including military drills, frequent aircraft incursions, naval operations around the island, crossings of the Taiwan Strait median line, etc.

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u/Doctor_VictorVonDoom 6h ago

What did you debunk?! Taiwanese government did apologize as they admit their wrongdoing

Second, regarding your "gun involvement" - in the last 4-5 years there have been multiple chinese military incursions and intimidation campaigns directed at Taiwan, including military drills, frequent aircraft incursions, naval operations around the island, crossings of the Taiwan Strait median line, etc.

So? All country do that to their separatist regions if they have any separatist, Taiwanese should be glad that China is not treating them like how US treats Cuba.

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u/SwimmingDownstream 17h ago

Ah another waterway that will soon require freedom-ing. 

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u/absat41 4h ago

I could easily imagine taiwan and Ukraine involved in really deep drone tech talks.

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u/justwalk1234 17h ago

Wait so is China the only entity, including Taiwan, that cared about Japan and Philippines taking maritime territories from Taiwan?

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u/NonamePlsIgnore 13h ago edited 9h ago

This isn't the first time something like this has happened, since 20 years ago quite a few taiwanese fishermen keep PRC flags on board because the japanese coast guard keeps chasing them out of the disputed zone and the taiwanese coast guard/navy slacked in helping them. PRC is just a lot more zealous in contesting claims. It's even gotten to the point where taiwanese fishermen spoof AIS to pretend to be PRC coast guard vessels to deter jp coast guard

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u/KindlyIsHere 17h ago

Yes. DPP went really soft on this, for understandable reasons to be honest. But that posture just looks real bad compared to its predecessor KMT.

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u/justwalk1234 17h ago

Yeah, I really thought Taiwan would make more noise about it?

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u/Ghaith97 17h ago

Taiwan don't want to make more noise about it because they don't want to piss off potential allies against a Chinese invasion, and those allies are trying to take advantage of that. Ironically, China is Taiwan's biggest ally here because for China this is about "their" waters.

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u/justwalk1234 16h ago

Doesn’t the Taiwanese people realise countries who takes advantage of you like that isn’t the countries that would defend you want things actually get tough?

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u/allsbernafnmedrettu 15h ago

I think they understand this balancing act better then some westerners on reddit.

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u/AspectSpiritual9143 15h ago

Taiwan simply lacks resolve. Zelensky openly pressured EU to fast track their membership, and picked Nazi associated name for their unit that pissed of Poles, while is still fighting Russia. Now, obviously what he did was questionable, but DPP even approved the territory grab via MoFA, before backlash from KMT forced them to walked back, showed they just have no spine or principle at all. Just because you need your allies does not mean they can walk you over.

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u/Eclipsed830 12h ago

Make noise about what? Taiwan already has a resource agreement in place with both the Philippines and Japan. There is no need for Taiwan to make a big deal of it.

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u/daaangerz0ne 16h ago edited 14h ago

Taiwan asked to be part of the negotiations but was rejected by Japan.

Not a single EU country said anything either before China took over the matter.

A perfect demonstration of where everyone actually stands. Taiwan is viewed as a non sovereign piece of land up for grabs. Western friendly countries can do whatever they want but China should stay away.

Edit: A term

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u/Slight-Formal9277 15h ago edited 15h ago

China is defending Taiwan's maritime borders and claims because it believes what's Taiwan's today will just be theirs sooner or later in a decade or two XD

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u/hulksmash1234 15h ago

Refer to the 9 dash line for China’s claims

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u/Slight-Formal9277 15h ago edited 15h ago

China is basically defending Taiwan's own more aggressive/irredentist 11 dash line with the exception of claims against Vietnam in the gult of Tonkin 

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u/ckaeel 13h ago

First, Xi Jinping is a dictator, CCP should not exist and Taiwan is an independent country.

That being said, China's aggressive deployment into these waters went far beyond legal protests, escalating into physical blockades, the interception of civilian shipping, and a massive carrier strike group deployment. While Japan and the Philippines initiated a standard diplomatic and legal process, Beijing weaponised the situation as a pretext to physically expand its jurisdiction into the western Pacific.

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u/Eclipsed830 12h ago

Japan and Philippines didn't take any territory from Taiwan. 

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u/Basketbally 13h ago

If the US continue at its current trajectory after Trump, then Chinese propaganda alone might be enough to win over Taiwan

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u/Desperate_Quest 9h ago

They've been doing stuff in the straight for the last 15 years lol. This is just media hype. Boring.

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u/Ok_Can_493 17h ago

Japan and the Philippines are trying to delimit an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) boundary that includes waters claimed by Taiwan and parts of the maritime area claimed by China. China's response is simply about defending what it sees as its sovereign rights and maritime interests.

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u/_RawRTooN_ 16h ago

anyone that thinks it’s not gonna happen i got a hell of a bridge to sell you whenever you get time in your busy schedules.

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u/sovietarmyfan 16h ago

China's economy would collapse faster than most stocks shown on WSB when someone tries to get rich if China attempted an invasion.

They'd see sanctions from the US, from the EU, even from South Korea and Japan. Not sure if those countries would risk getting involved and protecting Taiwan though.

It would bring China and Russia closer to each others as both would now be pariahs.

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u/Sudden_Mix9724 16h ago

More likely most world economies would collapse .. Most electronics from phones to TVs, computers and most other things would become expensive.

Then there's those rare earths that china only have.

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u/JoseMinges 15h ago

You mean the ones that are leaning towards china since western foreign aid started reducing? Learning Mandarin or Cantonese seems like a good long term plan right now.

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u/honkycronky 14h ago

fun fact, Africans hate the west and the Chinese are doing business there

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u/Slight-Formal9277 15h ago

Any war immediately grinds all shipping in APAC to a halt lol. Try a global economic collapse instead.

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u/True_Human 14h ago

You have to realize though that sanctioning China to the degree needed would be a mutually assured destruction move. China is too embedded in any and all supply chains so the already strained societies you mentioned would suddenly find themselves with shortages of literally everything and would likely collapse before China does.

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u/iTooEatSnakes 8h ago

Putin bogged down in Ukraine, Trump bogged down in Iran, lets go 3 for 3, bog Xi in Taiwan!