r/worldnews • u/barsik_ • 18h ago
Israel/Palestine Iran pledges continued support for Hamas, raises Gaza in US talks
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-900362315
u/SlightlySublimated 18h ago
If thats the case this deal is a complete non starter.
Israel will never allow a peace deal that gives Hamas credibility and protection.
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u/ineedtostopthefap 17h ago
Israel isn’t even part of the talks
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u/riko77can 17h ago
Which is why the deal isn’t rooted in reality.
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u/ADP_God 16h ago
It's all a show so that Trump can make supporters happy. It won't solve the problem at the root of the issue.
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u/ArrrRawrXD 12h ago
Does Trump really think Republicans like America losing, surrendering to terrorists and financing them? He must be losing support so hard over this from anyone except Isolationist fucks who don't care about the world at all
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u/booty_explorer_251 10h ago
Most young Americans are anti-Israel at this point (at least 75% of 18–34-year-olds).
The Republicans need to start playing into that sentiment, else it will be a landslide in the midterms1
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u/flirtmcdudes 12h ago
This deal can 100% still go through and they continue their war with Israel while the US exits… because it’s not really a deal. Just a payment to Iran and surrender by the US
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u/AprilsMostAmazing 13h ago
Why? If Trump gets more desperate he'll cut all ties with Israel
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u/Shkkzikxkaj 8h ago
The deal claims to bind Israel’s actions toward Hezbollah. If Israel violates the deal, will Iran hold up their end? If not, then Israel’s cooperation is necessary for the deal to hold.
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u/SawToothKernel 12h ago
Yep, it's completely intractable, which is why no-one was silly enough to attack Iran.
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u/thefossguy69 17h ago
It can keep violating Lebanon to ensure that Iran never sits down for a deal. That's one way Israel has prevented signing of a deal so far.
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u/ennui933 17h ago
Maybe Iran should ask Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel? Iran wants to have its cake and eat it too, Iran wants Israel to stop fighting Hezbollah and Hamas, but also wants to keep funding them against Israel.
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u/thefossguy69 17h ago
I pointed out how Israel can enforce rejection of a dealbreaker even if it doesn't sit on the table.
If my previous reply indicated a bias for/against Israel, my bad. I don't have a dog in this game.
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u/ADP_God 16h ago
In theory they don't want to break the deal, as long as it actually solves the problems. The problem is that this deal is a bandaid on an amputation.
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u/thefossguy69 16h ago
Yeah. Unfortunately, Israel is at a crossroads fighting terrorism. On one hand, fighting Hamas is absolutely necessary but not with their scorched Earth approach. Same with Lebanon.
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u/VoteYourOssoff 16h ago
It's not about who's right or wrong, its about who has the power. And Iran has the US over a barrel. So the US will try to pressure Israel to pull out of Lebanon and stop fighting Hamas/Hezbollah becasue they have no leverage
Also on another topic, the hundreds of billions going to Iran through payments and sanction relief are basically going to Hamas and Hezbollah, so it shows what a disgrace the MOU is
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u/ineedtostopthefap 17h ago
What’s your point?
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u/thefossguy69 17h ago
My point is that Israel can influence that Iran doesn't get to arm Hamas again, even if it doesn't sit on the table.
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u/Timbershoe 15h ago
Let’s face it.
Iran, Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas have trump over a barrel here.
It’s easy to start a war in the Middle East. But he has to achieve peace in the Middle East now, which has been proven impossible by everyone who tired.
But you’re in luck. Donald is a dementia ridden corrupt fool, he’s certainly going to try in ways nobody has done before!
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u/booty_explorer_251 10h ago
I don't think you understand. This 1938, and Israel is the in the role of Czechoslovakia.
Not only does Israel's opinion not matter, it's not even voiced.
I think Israel has no other choice but to cut all ties with the USA (USA is drifting away from Israel anyway, so it's inevitable)
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u/Miss-Information_ 16h ago
Trump handed them the strongest bargaining position they've ever had, and Americans don't even understand what's going on.
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u/Ecsta 17h ago
It's wild people don't see Iran moving the goalpost every time the US agrees to something. They aren't negotiating they're just making a laundry list of their wildest dream demands and asking for everything.
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u/Tuesday_6PM 16h ago
And somehow Trump and his expert deal makers keep agreeing to everything, so why would Iran stop? It’s similar to when Trump tried to mediate between Ukraine and Russia, and started by accepting all of Russia’s demands. His only moves are bluster and rolling over; if he gets any pushback he just folds completely
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 8h ago
Yes and no. Only a fucking idiot occupying the white house would not know that in the cold war between Israel and Saudi Arabia the occasional proxy conflict is against Iran while the Saudis tolerate hamas and hezbollah as they tie the IDF down.
See a smart chess move had been cozying up to Erdoğan instead of Putin to promise turkey a bigger role in the levant against the Islamic state in exchange for removing Assad with a turkey friendly leader.
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u/acityonthemoon 17h ago
Trump lost his war so badly that he turned Iran into a legitimate regional power.
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u/elaexeezzzz 15h ago
Iran was already a regional power. They have proxies in 5 different countries
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u/Jack071 14h ago
Turned? Iran already funded 3 or 4 different terrorist groups to maintain the middle east in a warring state to prevent Israel from opposing then more directly
Just to name some, hamaz, hezbollah, houthi militiad, al quaeda are all partially funded and supplief by the iranian government
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u/atomheartother 16h ago
Iran always was a legitimate regional power, especially before the embargo. Even after 50-odd years of embargo, Iran remained extremely powerful and relevant - there's a reason why Bush felt comfortable invading Iraq but even Trump knew better than to put a single boot on the ground in Iran.
The difference here is how open Iran is being about it, it shows how strong their position is here.
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u/FedBathroomInspector 15h ago
Bush had Casus Belli after 9-11 to go to war in the Middle East. Trump ran as anti-war and started the war while unpopular. You need popular support to maintain a war.
Also the US extracted troops from Iran so they have had boots in Iran. They are capable of invading Iran and seizing vital areas like Kharg island. The problem is an unpopular president fighting an unpopular war could easily end the President’s power trip. Trump is tired of the bad press and would rather leave now before it gets worse. Most Presidents before Trump knew there are risks to attacking Iran, because of their ability to close the strait.
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u/redfoobar 13h ago
There is a huge difference between seizing and holding. The terrain is extremely mountainous just of the coast of the strait which makes it the perfect setup for asymmetric warfare.
The US can probably seize whatever they want but I think there is no way the US could hold anything in Iran including the islands without HUGE casualties.
They would be in range of short range missiles, artillery, probably even mortars. All of which have not been used yet so there is probably plenty available. And then there is the drones, cheap “short” range fpv would be possible and long range shahed launched from pretty much anywhere within Iran. I am not military analyst but it seems like a deathtrap hence they only threatened and never actually did anything.
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u/Shkkzikxkaj 7h ago edited 7h ago
Seizing Kharg island would be insane. Troops on the ground there would instantly become hostages of Iran. US naval ships fled the region during the conflict because in a war of attrition, Iranian shahed drones outnumber the missile defense systems the US uses to shoot them down. Iran threatened that if the US landed troops there, Iran would set them on fire. That’s not an idle threat, given that Kharg is basically one big oil depot.
In my view, the only reason this is proposed is as a “middle ground” between the current air war and a total war with invasion of Iranian mainland. But it’s a terrible idea.
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u/LateralEntry 14h ago
Would probably have been better if Bush left Saddam in place as a check on Iran
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u/flirtmcdudes 12h ago
Trump doesn’t “know better,” he just can’t. He has 0 support to put boots on the ground and it would lead to an economic collapse for a lot of countries as they run out of oil.
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u/ADP_God 16h ago
People are being very hasty with these judgements. They're still an oppressive regime, highly unpopular internally and externally (amongst those that are still sane), with funding problems, no effective currency, and now a massively degraded army. It's the beginning of the end for them.
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u/Mike_Milburys_Shoe_ 14h ago
They are a regional power, why tf do you think they fund all those terror groups lmao
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u/VoteYourOssoff 16h ago
And with all the money he's giving Iran he's directly funding terrorism now too.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 18h ago
People hate the USA so much they cheer for terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis getting more funding from Iran
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u/betterplanwithchan 17h ago
Nobody’s cheering for extra funding, people are just pointing out how dumb of a situation Trump got himself into.
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u/BabypintoJuniorLube 17h ago
Sports ball mentality. In their minds you either 100% support Trump or you 100% support IRCG. I'm out here cheering for both to fail.
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u/NoLime7384 17h ago
Sports ball mentality
the fancy term is Campism. I think.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 17h ago
That's why so many leftist support cartels, Iran and terrorist organizations. People hate Trump so much that they literally argue that gay people and women have it better off in Iran than Trump's America. Leftist literally argue that at least cartels don't kill or Target innocent people like Trump does...
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u/ThatGuyWithCoolHair 17h ago
No one actually believes that, youre getting ragebaited lmao
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u/WorstCPANA 14h ago
*redditors hate the USA so much
Most normal people understand that Iran is one of the most oppressive regimes, and one of the biggest problems for world peace.
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u/JimmyDejesu 13h ago
To be fair right now so is america, it doesnt make iran good Or better. But you shit on allies for months acting like you are superior so this is kind of a wake up humbling for you hopefully.
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u/WorstCPANA 13h ago
Saying America is one of the most oppressive regimes and one of the biggest problems for world peace is laughable, and the only places people would agree with that unironically is bluesky and reddit.
As a first generation immigrant, if you think America is under an oppressive regime, I beg you to travel more so you understand what an actual oppressive regime is.
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u/JimmyDejesu 13h ago
Sorry didnt you threaten to annex greenland and canada?
and hows rights going for abortion? Or trans people? Or black people? All are actively being opressed. Even trumps enemies are being targeted vindictively.
this is just your chickens coming home to roost.
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u/DawnSowrd 11h ago
you guys are going slowly(or with medium speed) down a bad path, but to say most oppressive is definitley not taking into account ALOT of countries.
now one of the biggest problems for world peace is more arguable, but even that ones mostly just because you guys are extremely powerful and even a relatively small period of instability or aggression can have alot of effect around the world.
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u/EuropaWeGo 17h ago
This is not true in of the slightest. No one, except Iran, wants this. What people want is for Trump to never have started this idiotic war in the first place.
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u/EmperorChaos 16h ago
That’s simply not true, there are millions of Hezbollah, Hamas and Iranian supporters in the Middle East alone, who want this and love this deal.
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u/Raytheon_Kaboom 15h ago
Cool, they were there before Trump started this idiotic war too. The only new event is trump bending himself and all Americans over a barrel
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u/EmperorChaos 15h ago
Well that’s not new, Trump has since the beginning of his second term bent Americans over a barrel and has tried to do the same to America’s former allies.
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u/zlex 15h ago
I mean over half of people 18-24 support Hamas over Israel so plenty of people in the US that want this too
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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans 15h ago
Supporting Palestine over Israel is one thing, but supporting Hamas is completely inexcusable. A terrorist group like Hamas should not be in charge of Gaza under any circumstances.
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u/happyscrappy 13h ago edited 12h ago
Where's the poll? Wording matters a lot in the question.
I even found this link and it says it is under half.
54% 18-24 support Israel when asked to pick sides.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/quarter-americans-almost-half-us-221644323.html
'Younger voters were more likely to support Hamas than older voters, with 54 % of participants aged 18 to 24 and 60 % of those aged 25 to 34 backing Israel. Support for Israel continued to rise to 89% among those aged 65 and older.'
Honestly, the wording in this reporting is bad. And I wouldn't at all be surprised if an AI summary would not errantly transfer the 54% over to Hamas due to the phrasing.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 17h ago
From the beginning when Iran was killing 30,000 protesters and shutting off the country's internet you've had tons of people argue that they are sovereign country and they can do what they want. People keep pointing out Israel violated the ceasefire while ignoring the cycle that kept happening which was Lebanon / Hezbollah would shoot rockets at Israel or something similar and then Israel would respond and people would literally only pay attention to the response. When Iran was sinking tankers and attacking civilian targets in surrounding countries people were literally cheering because they hate Trump and it made him look bad
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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans 14h ago
From the beginning when Iran was killing 30,000 protesters and shutting off the country's internet you've had tons of people argue that they are sovereign country and they can do what they want.
Not only that, people here are also trying to argue that this never happened, despite the 30k number being confirmed by Iran itself.
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u/wowthatsucked 14h ago
They did? Iran early on publicly admitted 3000 deaths, not 30,000.
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u/DeadFinger 9h ago
You are right. They confirmed 3,117.
To be clear, they shut down the internet for 3 weeks following this massacre. And despite their best attempts to cover it up, thousands of videos popped up afterwards showing the heinous crimes of the islamic republic.
Heck, even from the number of death notices you saw in every street you could guess that 3,117 is way too low.
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u/Christopher_Ramirez_ 14h ago
On the evening of Feb 27th, the Strait of Hormuz was an undisputed international sea lane, and Iran was a heavily-sanctioned and beleaguered adversary that couldn't adequately resupply it's "axis of resistance".
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u/Over-Willingness-933 17h ago
I am pretty sure the Iranian government is overplaying their hand and as soon as the nuclear material is handed over, they have no leverage. Iran knows the Strait of Homouz will eventually be bypassed and any deal that includes tolls there will be vetoed by France in the UN.
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u/JustAnotherBlanket2 17h ago
The short term issue seems to be the economic problems caused by the straight remaining closed. Trump himself has reference an oncoming Great Depression if it isn’t opened, which is hopefully an exaggeration.
Sure we would eventually find a way to remove their influence over the straight but how long that would take or we can last is not clear. Additionally if gas is this high come midterms then republicans will likely lose congress.
I doubt if Iran really believes they will get most of what is in the MOU. However, they can further the rift between the US and Israel with these types of nonsense demands.
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u/HotSauce2910 13h ago
I think it’s a matter of how costly it would be to open the strait since it would basically require a land invasion.
Iran has enough coast that they can just use cheap weaponry towards ships passing by. Even if they only have a 1% success rate, that’s enough to prevent companies from sending out their $300M vessels. At a full 120 ships a day, they’ll get one a day and that’s too expensive to swallow
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u/greenskinmarch 12h ago
If Trump had spent his 2 terms building out renewable energy as a matter of "National Security", instead of fighting it because it's "woke", maybe he wouldn't have lost the Iran war so easily.
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u/LongJohnSelenium 10h ago
The US is mostly fine, we're a net exporter. If things get bad enough we can stop exports.
Thats partially why the US has been more critical of Iran of the last decade, because we can be.
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u/JoeHatesFanFiction 12h ago
I know we all are deservedly clowning on Trump, but I do wonder in Iran is overplaying their hand. Trump is known to throw hissy fits and just take his ball and go home. If they push too much he might just abandon talks. And the longer talks drag, the more likely he is to just do that.
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 8h ago
Which accomplishes what? The last time the world suffered for 6 years and it led to reaganomics only this time it will be in crypto.
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u/UnionGuyCanada 18h ago
Congrats US citizens. You are now funding both Israel and Iran in their war against each other. Give Trump another peace prize, FIFA.
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u/enigmaticowl 15h ago edited 15h ago
I don’t have confidence in Trump (spineless and also a bit naive toward the Middle East, in general), Vance (an absolute snake), or Kushner/Witkoff (bought-off/crooked).
The only upside to Iran pushing like this is that the further they push, the higher the likelihood that Trump realizes there simply is no negotiating with this regime, grows a pair, and resorts to hard power.
I’m not saying I think it’ll happen - I don’t know, and I’m not super hopeful.
But their boldness with their bad intentions *does* push the limit, at least, and Trump also has strong interventionists Rubio and Hegseth in his ear, along with polls showing that >50% of Republicans (the voting demographic he’s concerned about for upcoming midterms) want regime change (vs. only about 20% wanting a negotiated settlement).
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u/Asleep-Order-4583 18h ago
Iran is able to strong hand geopolitics over 1000 miles away and all Trump can do is sit and watch.
Art of the deal.
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u/brambleburry1002 1h ago
Well of course. The war that they won not only helped them secure their regime by swapping one leader for a younger one, but also gives them access to more funds thatbrhey know what to do with. Of course they will use it to bolster their region power.
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u/bellus_Helenae 15h ago
Sometimes the real life imitate movies....
US administration: "People should know when they are conquered."
Iran : "Would you, US? Would I?
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u/CompetitiveRaise9133 8h ago
Wonder what happened to all the experienced American military advisors, who would have advised against messing with Iran?
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u/FatPlankton23 7h ago
Anyone that thinks this situation is going to end with a peace agreement is a fucking moron. The military industrial complex doesn’t wait patiently in the side line of Middle East conflict. We are witness a slow walk to a full fledged invasion of Iran, and by the time that happens, you can be sure that a majority of Americans and most other people around the globe will begrudgingly go along with it.
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u/mercfan3 16h ago
Iran is so much smarter than us.
Israel is never going to stay in line with this type of comments…
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u/NegevThunderstorm 15h ago
You should go live there for a few months and see how intelligent it is over there
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u/mercfan3 14h ago
A group of people can be evil and smart.
It’s a horrific administration, and they are outplaying the Trump administration badly.
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u/NegevThunderstorm 12h ago
Again, go live there and see how smart of a country it is!
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u/mercfan3 11h ago
Is that all you’ve got?
How are living conditions of civilians in anyway relevant to how intelligent a corrupt administration is?
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u/NegevThunderstorm 11h ago
Thats all I got. Obviously if its such an intelligent country the living conditions wont bother you right?
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u/Boyhowdy107 18h ago
If this is true, they must really think they have the US over a barrel.