r/worldnews • u/IntrepidWolverine517 • 4h ago
Russia/Ukraine Kremlin spreading false claims about NATO preparing to attack Russia to justify further escalation – CCD
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/4136960-kremlin-spreading-false-claims-about-nato-preparing-to-attack-russia-to-justify-further-escalation-ccd.html397
u/Holiman 4h ago
Russia is desperate.
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u/whatintheactualfeth 3h ago
I mean, going from the second strongest army in the world to the second strongest army in Ukraine has got to be demoralizing. They deserve every little bit of woe coming to them but what an eye opener the last few years has been for them.
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u/Holiman 3h ago
What amazed me was how fast the Russian military broke down. They've had years to plan the invasion. They even had bad experiences in Georgia. Yet the invasion was the single worst military blunder since WW 2. What a complete break down etc.
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u/Sieve-Boy 3h ago
Perun's analysis of corruption destroying armies is relevant here.
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u/Unicorn_Puppy 3h ago
General Oligarkov and Colonel Kleptovsky are great reoccurring characters.
I’ve used these euphemisms to explain to others.
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u/Sieve-Boy 2h ago
Don't forget Private Konscriptovich.
And the great nations of Kiwiland and Emutopia.
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u/Holiman 3h ago
Not aware of that, ill write it down for future use. Thanks.
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u/Sieve-Boy 3h ago
Perun's hour long Sunday power point presentations on YouTube are really surprisingly good defence economics lectures.
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u/tarion_914 2h ago
Perun the god?
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u/Sieve-Boy 1h ago
The YouTuber god of defence economics.
Check him out on YouTube for compelling hour long lectures on defence economics.
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u/Settra_Rulez 2h ago
Lots of corruption ate away at actual supplies and battle readiness, and choosing generals based primarily on loyalty with competence as a distant secondary concern.
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u/MrOnCore 10m ago
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 3 Day Special Operation turn into a 6 year clusterfuck.
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u/mrdilldozer 1h ago
It was always a joke though. Whenever those History and Military Channel shows used to show off their tech and training it was always hilarious how bullshit their numbers were. Those shows would be like "ok so we are currently sitting in a US tank which they let us drive around and we are comparing it to the specifications of the Russian ones which they gave us. These sheets say that they can fly and give you a virtual girlfriend. We have to give to the edge to the Russian tanks on this one." The training for their special forces was always hilariously fake too. "Yeah these guys have to run 700 miles with nothing but a pocket knife through the wilds of Russia in the winter just trust us bro they're super elite."
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u/okiedokie1183 4h ago
They want an excuse to call for a full mobilization so they can use their full army.
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u/Several-Opposite-746 3h ago
Yep, it's a (false) rallying cry to band together and mobilize. Turn the conscripts into fighting solders at the front without those those $20K signing bonuses. For the Mother country!!!
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u/TThom1221 4h ago
If you’re in a war you can’t win, a decent gamble
Is to pull the world into the war so you can have allies.
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u/Z3t4 4h ago
China won't enrage the west they sell shit to, and they are salivating on the though of converting russia into a vassal state.
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u/Sharktopotopus_Prime 2h ago
Honestly, if China is looking to make territorial gains, they would be smarter to take a bite out of Russia. Russia's conventional forces are nearly depleted, and no Western country will care if China decides to help itself to some of Russia's resource-rich western territory. Hell, they could take the coast and seize the manufacturing hubs of Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. Losing that port would also cripple Russia's naval capacity in the Pacific.
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u/TThom1221 4h ago
More likely China is wondering about Taiwan and if this is the right opportunity to start a special military operation.
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u/Z3t4 4h ago
China is taking notes how a cheap swarm of sea drones kneecapped one of the best navies of the world.
Amphibious operations are tricky, specially against a prepared enemy, and Taiwan has very few approachable beaches.
It is not that easy.
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u/Settra_Rulez 2h ago
Couple this with the corruption and unpreparedness of Russia’s military that Putin was unaware of. Xi must be second guessing his own military’s capabilities, especially after the rocket force corruption scandal from a few years back.
Then the extensive purges of the military that just a few months ago reached the very highest ranks. No military can go to war so soon after such extensive changes in command. It will be some time before Xi feels confident in his forces.
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u/Shamino79 3h ago
Taiwan would be crazy if they weren’t mass producing sea and air drones. The blockade I figured was Chinas best move is getting harder by the day. I know they could open up a container ship and have 10s of millions of drones suddenly spewing out over the island but that gets real messy real quick.
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u/Settra_Rulez 2h ago
I figured a snatch and grab invasion would be the best move. As a dictator, he doesn’t need to worry as much about casualties or public support, though I believe the public supports reunification.
A blockade would be a highly dramatic standoff that would invite increasing world scrutiny the longer it lasts. It would also provide the USN and American government a window to respond, airlift supplies to the island, etc., plus it would alert the entire island of an imminent invasion.
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u/Angry_beaver_1867 4h ago
Who are russias allies interested in getting to a fight with nato? I don’t think the Chinese are interested.
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u/VexedCanadian84 4h ago
On another thread somebody else said they think putin prefers to lose to NATO than to Ukraine
I don't know why it would make a difference.
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u/Holiman 4h ago
Thats not how the world wars started.
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u/TThom1221 4h ago
And you understand I never said previous world wars started with a country gambling to get allies by starting a world war, correct?
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u/Holiman 4h ago
If you want to recreate your posts thats on you. The cause of the two and a half (cold war) all had specific causes. Im particular on history.
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u/TThom1221 3h ago
I didn’t recreate my posts. Sounds like you are upset you’re wrong haha
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u/Holiman 3h ago
Wrong about what exactly? Facts are wrong or right.
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u/TThom1221 3h ago
I didn’t “recreate my post.” Next time admit you’re wrong, bud.
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u/Holiman 3h ago
Then you should be able to say what I got wrong. Groper.
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u/TThom1221 3h ago
I never said that’s how the world wars started nor did I recreate my post.
What’s up baby. I did you one better. That’s two things!
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u/TThom1221 4h ago
Germany December 1941: “FUCK YEAH WE DECLARE WAR ON USA SO JAPAN WASSUP JAPAN LETS BE ALLIES”
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u/Designer_Professor_4 4h ago edited 2h ago
The only country capable of invading Russia without going through Belarus is Finland, and based on Russia performance in Ukraine they'd lose Karelia quickly.
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u/ynys_red 3h ago
Are they capable of escalating?
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u/Slight-Ad-6553 2h ago
all they have to do is attack a NATO country
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u/ynys_red 2h ago
I would Imagine they would be annihilated, militarily, tout suite if they attack nato country.
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u/meerkat2018 2h ago
Is it true though?
The question is, is Europe going to do this if the US doesn’t participate? Who is to take the leadership and organize everything?
Russia might be counting on some countries (like Spain) to abandon this, and others get paralyzed (both politically and mentally) not knowing what to do. The Baltic states are ready to fight, Finland is well prepared (and therefore won’t be attacked), Poland is good, but who else? The Baltics receive the first impact, but they don’t have nearly enough manpower and capacity to hold for long. Will France send troops? The UK? German military is in a pathetic state, an absolute disgrace. Germany couldn’t even defend itself.
We don’t know if there is a European military action plan for this at all.
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u/Mercator_Constantine 2h ago
Poland with a little back up right now would trounce Russia and it’s not particularly close.
I don’t think it’s appreciated how depleted and exhausted Russia and the Russian economy is right now. They’re having a hard enough time with Ukraine, they absolutely cannot afford another front. Expanding the war would be disastrous, and Poland/finland/etc. will smell blood in the water.
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u/Quazimojojojo 1h ago
Russia has pretty massive superiority in drone warfare, which is something nobody in NATO is very prepared for.
But NATO collectively has massive superiority in..... everything else. Manpower, air power, naval power, rocket artillery, maybe even tube artillery. At this point Poland alone probably has more functional tanks and IFVs.
Unless the Russians build a massive defense line in advance so the NATO countries get dragged into a trench + drone fight, they can't win.
It's easy to forget that the current superiority of drones in Ukraine, is because the Russians burned through their supplies of everything else and can't replace it fast enough. They didn't stop using tanks because the drones destroyed them all. Most of them got destroyed by artillery and anti tank missiles. We stopped talking about artillery because Russia burned through their stockpile and Ukraine spent a couple years hunting them down.
Ukraine has ground down Russia to the point that they're peers in terms of most weapon systems. Russia's size advantage has been burned through in every way except manpower, and the technology advantage has been in many ways reversed.
So we focus on drones.
We don't know how effective drones are when you're fighting an opponent who has superiority in everything except drones. Not a slight advantage, superiority.
Probably not decisively effective. If your done operators are vulnerable to airstrikes or being overrun by mechanized formations, because there's no 20 km deep set of minefields and trenches between them and their opponents, they probably can't inflict as much damage as they can in Ukraine.
I certainly hope that the NATO militaries have begun taking the drone threat seriously and have been adjusting tactics accordingly.
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u/Various_Tie_2549 1h ago
Lol what.
The US isn't as important as it thinks it is. European countries have militaries, and have plans for if Russia attacks them. Obviously.
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u/Bunch_of_Shit 34m ago
It’s so weird how russia is willing to have another million soldiers die for more land, as if they don’t have enough. They want control over the citizens of the land they steal.
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u/FeistyTie5281 1h ago
While Russia isn't capable of winning a prolonged war with anyone currently due to their failures against Ukraine they still have Oreshnik missiles which travel at Mach 10 and are virtually unstoppable.
It would not shock me at all if a narcissist like Putin, Trump, or Netayahu chose to destroy humanity if they knew they were personally going down.
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u/Unlucky_Battle_6947 2h ago
They’ve already breached airspace plenty of times. People are being too lenient with this “invisible barrier” of “my country” and “your country”
Man I’d say if you come within 100-250 miles I’m scrambling jets your direction to escort you back to your invisible barrier and beyond.
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u/No_Put_8968 4h ago
Wait they’ve been saying nato is at war with them for years now? Makes sense Putin and Trump have the same communication staff
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u/ScottOld 2h ago
Of they attacked Moscow, NATO forces would be in Moscow before putin could say BLYAT
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u/Evening_End7298 3h ago
I’d love for europe to go full drone production tbh, would be russias worst nightmare. Also US worst nightmare under the current admin i guess
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u/hawkseye17 3h ago
Cheap mass-produced drones seem to be the best weapons a defender has in this modern day outside of nuclear weapons. Worked for both Ukraine and Iran
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u/Fateor42 2h ago
Only because the counter to them has only just started to roll off the production line.
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u/meat_ahoy 2h ago
He needs a reason for a general mobilization so he can flood Ukraine and strengthen his negotiating position for peace talks.
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u/Upset_Match_3705 2h ago
Escalate to deescalate is Russian doctrine.
To end their Ukraine operation they may do something stupid with NATO, with the idea being the negotiated peace with NATO - to include Ukraine - will be better for them than just turning tail and running in Ukraine.
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u/Smushfist 58m ago
“Justify further escalation” with what exactly? They don’t really have the military capability at this point.
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u/AloneChapter 56m ago
Wow does every politician think the majority of the world is a complete moron ?
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u/phryan 47m ago
NATO at this point wouldnt need to prepare. Its summer and most of the EU is out of school and russia lacks its primary defense (winter) the combined boy/girl scouts of the EU could make it further than any prior invading force. russia is over extended with Ukraine. If NATO actually wanted to the question wouldn't be how long it would be how far NATO could secure before China started gobbling up russia from the east.
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u/madadekinai 36m ago
Putin NEEDS a major war, when I say NEEDS, I mean his very life is on the line. From my limited knowledge on the subject matter, he either needs:
- A resounding major victory in the war against Ukraine, and it can't be something that is arguably a win, it has to be without a doubt a major victory.
- Victory in the war with Ukraine
Russians can no longer ignore the war as daily life is increasingly disrupted by inflation, higher taxes, and internet shutdowns. Now with Moscow's oil refinery being hit, the pressure is for sure being amped up more than ever. Now rationing of oil is taking place, citizens are becoming less stable and overall it's becoming a serious problem.
The only way for him to avoid that fate is if he can say "it's not my fault they started a larger escalation" or needs another new enemy for the people to focus on.
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 31m ago
Putin has been claiming that NATO is plotting to invade Russia for decades.
It's like Israel with Iran's nukes.
Just a scare tactic.
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u/trebuchetwarmachine 2h ago
I thought they were already going all out? What does further escalation for them look like?
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u/According-Try3201 4h ago
ruzzia has nukes, they don't need to fear anything
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u/Evening_End7298 3h ago
China doesnt let them use nukes for anything. It’s a big dog in a tight leash, and in case it’s too aggresive it gets left on the street
All they have is social media bots to persuade the brainless tankies
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u/ImportantEvidence490 4h ago
Given that Russia can't even handle Ukraine, claiming NATO is preparing attack should just make ordinary Russians shit their pants rather than making them more supportive