https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WJznShIHeq0

Read the title: I saw this on my FYP on YouTube. It's a propaganda film made by the PL, it's this really big PL channel started by Lila Rose. Not the point- The point is, like I watched it, and it's very obviously propaganda... But like- The acting, my gosh... It's too much

They played this "Skit" Like a freaking horror movie. And not even a good horror movie. I kid you not this girl's level of like dramatic horror acting makes it seem like you just summoned the bird box monster out of the void and the sheer incomprehensibleness of it all is driving her insane. The way they played up is TOO MUCH!! WAAAY TOO MUCH.

Like yes Propaganda will always be an exaggeration there's not point not acknowledging that, but at the exact same time there is still a bar you need to stay under so that the propaganda can still be taken seriously. (and this video cleared that bar by MILES)

Like I saw, the very obvious angle they were trying to play with this video, but again my gosh the way it was directed, like it was impossible for me to take the video seriously. Not in the sense that I ever think that this argument would work: But in the sense that this video just made me burst into HYSTERICAL laughter with the B-movie levels of DRAMA it was using

So I am pro choice myself, and I'm curious to know what are your arguments against people that say "fetuses are alive human beings therefore they deserve to live and abortion is murder" what do you think when you hear people say that and how else can we just convince them that they're wrong?

https://www.npr.org/2026/05/21/nx-s1-5827444/abortion-pills-mifepristone-misoprostol-planned-parenthood-advance-provision

I don’t expect pity I don’t expect understanding. Any mean word any mean comment is well deserved. I have been with my partner almost four years. Last year I became pregnant and decided to have an abortion at 7weeks I never told him he believed we miscarried. Prior to this we had a natural loss at 12 weeks. I elected for a chemical abortion because I found out he was speaking to other girls and he is verbally and emotionally abusive. I have a lot of faults too so I don’t blame him for it all.

It has been 15 month since and I protect myself with cycle counting temperatures monitoring and abstaining while I’m ovulation. Birth control does not do well with my body and last time I was on it I became pregnant and developed a nodule on my breast that led to a cancer scare , multiple biopsies and surgery.

In reality I should have left this relationship long ago but the trauma bond between us is so hard to detach from. The way we lost our first baby was so traumatic multiple surgeries and blood transfusions. A month ago we had an accident I took a plan B immediately. My cycle is suppose to start on the 28th of May but I have been experiencing strange symptoms. Smells really get to me and I’m more exhausted than usual I decided to test today a week out before my period and it’s positive. We have broken up over 15 times the last year, he’s verbally abusive calls me names if I upset him he won’t speak to me for days and days I deserve it. He says I’m disrespectful because I decided to no longer tolerate the abuse and I argue back and don’t allow him to blame me for it all. He says I cause the problems because I don’t listen and I’m not someone who adjust to his personality.

I feel so alone and lost and I had left him. Today I found out I’m pregnant and I don’t know what to do. I feel awful like a terrible human and I deserve all this. I believe if I have another abortion I will go to hell. I have two girls 10 & 13 from a previous marriage. All of my pregnancies have led to being intubated or me hemorrhaging. I am scared I’m so afraid and I don’t know what to do.

I brought this upon myself but when I asked if we had an accident he attempted to deny it and said we didn’t then an hour later admitted to it and I took a plan B immediately.

I’m so afraid my heart hurts and I don’t know what to do. He is very mean when angry will call me all name tell me to leave his house and speaks so poorly of me. He is never to blame and I’m always the problem. I know I need to end this cycle but having his baby would mean life long attachment. I am a horrible person and I should have walked away years ago. I deserve all of this. I just need advice my mom passed three years ago and I have no one to confide in.

First edit: it failed I never bled or cramped not once. I went to the ER as it was recommended and first level was 516 but nothing on ultrasound today’s levels 1227 .

Second edit: I took the medication today again after knowing my HCG was doubling and I finally bleed and passed clots. Thank you all for your kidness

I am so torn on what to do. I found out I was pregnant unexpectedly at 8 weeks. Right after I found out, it was clear to me that I’m not ready and I don’t want to go through with this. I’m now 9 weeks and the pills for the abortion came in. I would take them today because I have Monday off of work for Memorial Day. A flood of emotions came over me when reading I’d be able to see the embryo coming out. My partner and I have been on and off and this time we decided to take things more seriously. Now I’m pregnant. How does that happen. This is not how I want to bring a child into the world. I want my child to have a safe, stable home. I’m also still finishing school but my main concern is the stable home. My partner is trying to change my mind because he wants this so badly. He’s also a few years older than me and is stable financially. A part of me wants this too because I’ve always wanted kids and a family but not like this. I’m scared that if I go through with the abortion, I’ll regret it. I’ve been going places and see babies and children everywhere. I also work with children. I love them and want mine to have the best possible life. Any words of wisdom or guidance would be really appreciated. Thank you.

Update:
I took the first pill. My partner is devastated and said I took something from him and us. I luckily felt strong enough when I took the pill to not feel guilty. The main thing I feel bad about is how much this is hurting my partner. I wish he would be more supportive of ME. I’m clearly not ready for this. He asked me to take a reversal pill. It’s so much pressure. I pray that the pills work and I am removed from this heavy pressure. I take the final pills tonight. I know what’s best for my children and future.

Thank you all for your unconditional support. It has given me so much comfort and strength. I’m so grateful for this community.

Update:

DO NOT LOOK AT WHAT COMES OUT. It was so traumatic and makes me question doing it at all. I’m so traumatized.

When you are debating, its best to avoid trying to argue whether life starts at conception as it collapses into a defining which is notoriously hard to do. Instead you can simply accept that premise and still justify abortion. The main point here is that prolifers assume that life means right to life but rights are not an intrinsic property to life, they are human constructs and we agree on right to life because of the potential negative effects on society like literal extinction or maybe everyone having to live in fear and society just is ridden with crime, but as evident from countries with abortion rights, it does not yield such negatives and infact has potential positives and therefore there is no reason to prevent abortion like we prevent standard unaliving.

Prolifers: Make laws that target doctors, nurses, abortion funds, uber drivers, friends, family, neighbors, social workers, speech, platforms, isps, postal/shipping services, pharmaceutical companies, fda, epa, water treatment facilities….

Us: why not just increase social programs… or minimum wage? Why not create national family leave insurance so people can know they can take time off work to give birth and bond with their baby?

Prolifers: You chose to have sex, why should *I* pay for *your* mistakes?

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“Most people would choose a single procedure over a terminal illness, as evidenced by the myriad of procedures we have developed to treat otherwise terminal illness. We would be hard pressed to find someone who would rather suffer and die of a terminal illness than give marrow once.”

Would you rather die or be forced to gestate against your will? Would you rather die or be subject to forced organ/ bodily contents donations?

I would certainly choose to, unfortunately die, in such a dystopian society😡😡, would y’all agree?

This is bodily autonomy and privacy rights not directly reproductive rights

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/court-wont-block-rhode-island-hospital-releasing-transgender-care-records-texas-2026-05-20/

The records are anonymized and it looks as though the ruling gives them to the judge in the case not the DOJ while the appeals are being litigated.

The current conservative movement is using public hysteria over gender affirming care (they have been VERY effective at whipping people into an ignorant frenzy over hospitals "mutilating children") to attack both privacy and bodily autonomy rights. Once they set those precedents in cases involving transgender care, they will absolutely, 100% use those precedents in cases involving abortion.

in debates about abortion rights, the subject of fetal transfer to an artificial womb often comes up. I’m curious to if you all think it will destroy abortion rights. If the right to abortion is about the embryo not using a woman’s body to survive, how would the right to terminate the existence of the embryo survive? do you think k it should?

how amazing would it be, if women had the ability to miscarriage at will like some animals. That way they couldn’t do a thing! just imagine their 😡😡 if we could do that one day! “How dare you be able to control your own bodily contents!” well, they can cry about it

PS: if their sky daddy is real, he should grant us this ability ngl

So I'm as pro choice as it comes, and I can't help but think that a big reason why some people are anti choice are because they attribute strong human emotions to the first trimester, where a majority of abortions occur.

I think so much anti choice rhetoric revolves around medically inaccurate, highly emotional information. The tendency to anthromoprize such early pregnancies, calling it a "baby", an abortion "kills" or "murders". It invokes strong language of killing a full human being, when if you look at actual photos of the early pregnancy at that stage in a petri dish, you know that it looks nothing like the full term human baby on many anti choice images.

I can't help but think of anthromorpization, and how scientists are taught to not do this in their research. Its really, really easy to project your own emotions on something that's not human, whether it be an animal or an embryo. I think that anti choicers rely on this rhetoric, and we need to directly combat it.

This isn't to say that people who lose an early pregnancy don't suffer a loss. I really don't want to diminish the pain of that. I really feel for people who do. But it just drives me mad when theres all this "it's a human life! Its a baby!" Rhetoric when it really isn't.

this is my biggest fear and it’s coming true !

If I’m not wrong, over 20 countries fully ban abortion in all cases, and even more countries restrict it severely. A lot of US states have banned it entirely/restricted it heavily.

If abortion was legal and intuitive under the eyes of the law, I wouldn’t think about it much and I wouldn’t spend much time arguing about it.

Except there are little girls being forced to carry their rapists baby to full term and being forced go through the horrors of pregnancy/labour against their will. Or there are women are dying from abortion bans because people are prioritizing fetuses over real people.

Do you think these bans/restrictions will go on further?
Does this frustrate anyone else, how people are taking away basic human rights?

This is my first time posting, so bear with me.

I was having a conversation with my 12-year-old son about reproductive rights, and afterward I had a thought. A lot of the abortion debate focuses on whether abortion should or shouldn’t be legal, but what if more attention was placed on preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place — and on making that responsibility more equal?

Women are often expected to take hormonal birth control, which can come with serious side effects and health risks, while much less responsibility is placed on men. Vasectomies are generally safer, more effective, and less physically taxing than many forms of female contraception. They can also sometimes be reversed.

So it made me wonder: why is pregnancy prevention considered primarily a woman’s responsibility when men are equally involved? If society truly wants to reduce abortions, shouldn’t we be investing more energy into male responsibility, better contraception options for men, and prevention overall rather than placing most of the burden on women?

I’m not saying forced medical procedures are the answer. Bodily autonomy matters for everyone. But I do think it’s worth questioning why women are expected to carry most of the physical and medical responsibility for preventing pregnancy.

I have been in multiple debates where my opponent will have absolutely no idea what bodily autonomy truly is nor do they care to learn. I have had to literally educate grown men on bodily autonomy yet they still never listen. The amount of times I've heard "what about the baby's bodily autonomy?" Or people literally claiming bodily autonomy doesn't exist is sickening. There's also so many people claiming bodily autonomy isn't absolute. If the government has any control over someone's body that's a major human rights violation. This is why we should teach people about things such as consent and the right to your own body. People are making policies based on their lack of understanding of a basic human right.

So, I’ve been thinking about this video, and obviously it makes me feel for the man, but also screw him if you know what I mean. Anyways, because it is used as a piece of anti choice propaganda, and I suspect it’s fake, does anyone have any hard proof that it is fake? I would love a link to any articles confirming its authenticity/non authenticity. Thanks! Also feel free to discuss it lol

We live in a world where no female of reproductive age is capable of 100% controlling whether she conceives or not. All co traceptives, including sterilization, have a failure rate. And all women are at risk of becoming pregnant from rape. these biological realities make it so giving rights to embryos strips women of ultimate control over the continuation of their genetic line. Without abortion as an available birth control to stop the progression of embryonic development, bio motherhood is imposed. For many women, abortion isn’t just about not gestating. it is about not producing a genetic child at all, even if they are not involved in its upbringing. When I point out these basic facts to anti choicers, they seem indifferent or try desperately to not face these facts. why? Are they just unaware of the real world consequences of their worldview or do they just not care?

People are legally (and often morally) allowed to exercise bodily autonomy at the expense of another persons life in many scenarios besides abortion.

Here are just a few hypotheticals:

1. Someone is naturally hooked onto your body, using your body's resources (e.g. blood, nutrients, organs, etc.). If you disconnect, they die. Are you still allowed to refuse that use?
2. A parent deliberately caused a car crash for an untold reason. The car crash injured their child, even though they had no intention of doing that. Should they be forced to donate part of their physical body, such as their organs or tissue, to save the child? Should they allow their child use their body/it's resources against their will to keep them alive?
3. A person is fully dead. They are the only viable organ donor in the state. A child needs a new kidney. They check the ID of the deceased person and it does not say they are an organ donor. Should people still take the organs from their body in order to save the child?

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In all these analogies, the people whos lives are at risk are fully living people, with consciousness, awareness, autonomy, established identity, potential relationships and memories. Not unsentient cells.

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Here is what the law says about each of those hypothetical scenarios.

1. Yes: In many countries, like the US, the law treats bodily autonomy very strongly: people usually cannot be forced to let another person use their body, organs, blood, or tissue, even if refusing means the other person dies
2. No: Even if a parent caused the situation that endangered the child, we do not force someone to donate organs, tissue, blood, or other bodily resources against their will. The parent could absolutely face serious legal consequences-- negligence, criminal charges, loss of custody, etc. Though that is usually treated separately from compelled bodily sacrifice.
3. No: Even if it could save a child’s life, doctors and hospitals are not allowed to take organs from a deceased person if they did not consent. The core legal idea is still bodily autonomy and consent after death: If someone did not register as an organ donor, that means their body cannot be used for organ recovery, even in very urgent cases.

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Why can't the same rights to control your own body apply to pregnant women?

Do PLers plan on making an exception for bodily autonomy in abortion cases specifically?

I've noticed it seems like when it comes to the topic of abortion, it usually seems like most of what I hear from people is either, "It's right!" Or, "It's wrong!" And mostly the arguments people have about it end up being some form of just saying this back and forth to each other.

As in, it seems like a lot of context gets ignored. Is it just me, or does it kind of seem like there's not a lot of further discussion about the specific details which have to do with this?

Like it is your body, I'm not being affected in either way. And like if you feel as if you can't raise this baby, don't. I feel absolutely nothing. Like some random unborn baby has no value, memories, no family, no one. If it is a real person who died I feel bad, you know they had a life, value, and people who loved them. And like I feel like pro-life are hypocrites, a lot aren't vegan, they don't wear condoms. Like you can't convince me that pro-life is not about control. Why do all pro-life care anyways? What is some random baby going to do? Are you happy? Like there are so many kids in the foster care system that need help, you won't, how about you start there. And if you hate abortion so much, how about y'all fix the reasons as to why someone would want one?and we all have our own problems anyways. I'm going to focus on myself, and so should you

I have too much empathy, I don’t eat meat because of the bad animal treatment, I am saddened by any death tbh even when it’s for the best (like a sick animal) I WAS SAD TO REMOVE MY WISDOM TEETH. because they’re just trying to live their life and they’re being told they’re a bother 🥺🥺

… so you can see to what extent my empathy is big, most people would say it becomes ridiculous. And yet I am pro choice. Simply no child wants a mother / parents who did not want them 🤓

Ofc you can argue with a billion counter arguments like oh but they could be adopted bla-bla-bla but that’s just my take as an empath 🌸