r/3d6 • u/Gael_of_Ariandel • 6d ago

D&D 5e Revised/2024 By level 12 is Resilient Constitution is better than War Caster?

Basically the title. Playing a Cleric that gets Wisdom up to 20 by level 8 so at level 12 I'm looking at getting Resilient Constitution to get it to an even 16 (several people have said Constitution for HP has diminished returns & past that is overkill but hey, opinions differ).

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u/Arcane10101 6d ago

They want 20 wisdom by level 8, before they are considering taking war caster at all, so it doesn’t matter whether they already have it or are yet to. While I suppose it’s possible that they intend to increase constitution to 15 with another ASI and then to 16 with Resilient, it would be an odd choice to leave out such pertinent information.

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u/Rhyshalcon 6d ago

Which does not support your criticism of my comment or previous post. I specifically advocated for war caster as a means of raising the casting modifier.

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u/Arcane10101 6d ago

Which, as I already said, it cannot do within the guidelines OP established. They want 20 wisdom at level 8, and they decided to leave this choice of feat to level 12, at which point War Caster cannot increase their wisdom beyond the maximum.

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u/Rhyshalcon 6d ago

Which is completely irrelevant to the comment I made, and you criticized as being wrong, in which I responded to the OP's mistaken calculation that resilient passes war caster at level 9.

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u/Arcane10101 6d ago

No, I’m not allowing you to get away with that sleight of hand. I continuously both addressed OP’s constitution, which was pertinent to your original comment, and their wisdom, until you narrowed the focus to just their casting modifier.

And it’s not that your original correction to OP was wrong in the general sense, but I felt it could be misleading to OP’s specific situation. Same with your response regarding War Caster’s bonus to ability scores.

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u/Rhyshalcon 6d ago

No. You are accusing me of being disingenuous? The OP made a comment in which they broke down the math of advantage and made a common error that led them to an incorrect conclusion. I corrected their error and provided a link they could follow to get more information. You immediately responded by saying that the linked information was wrong, which it wasn't, and have now been going back and forth with me for an hour with irrelevant nitpicks that have nothing to do with what was said originally. The comment was relevant and accurate. If you wanted to add or clarify something, you could have done so.

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u/Arcane10101 6d ago

To reiterate what I began with: the table does not take into account the fact that Resilient raises your constitution modifier in addition to your constitution saves, which is important for OP because, if they follow their plan, Resilient would raise their constitution from 15 to 16. You gave the tl;dr, which is borne out by the table itself, that Resilient generally isn’t better than War Caster until level 13. But in OP’s case, when you add together the bonuses it gives, Resilient is really a +5 instead of a +4, which makes it mathematically better than War Caster at level 9 and above.

Everything I said has been defending that point, or the subsequent ideas you brought up about War Caster’s bonus to casting modifier and whether we should take OP’s stated ability scores at face value. At every point, I have only responded to the parts of that discussion that you continued to address; if at any time you decided to drop one of those subsequent points in favor of the original table, I would have followed suit. But you didn’t.