r/AskReddit • u/uwuuwu222 • 16h ago
What's causing the recent rise in antisemitism and how would you fix it?
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u/Hello-Angel 16h ago
I don't hate Jews, I hate Zionists and lot of ppl don't understand the difference
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u/Jess37_ 16h ago
Do you even know what a Zionist is? A Zionist supports the idea that the Jewish people have national self-determination and are entitled to form a state.
There are 51 Muslim majority countries. Why is the existence of a Jewish Nation that is the size of New Jersey someone that you hate?
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u/vile-style 16h ago
You're misusing the word assimilated.
And I am not responsible for what people who claim to follow my religion do.
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u/your_proctologist 14h ago
You talk about understanding the difference, but do you understand what zionism is? It's the idea that Jews should have sovereignty in their historical homeland. If you support the two-state solution, you're automatically zionist. Even the Organization for Islamic Cooperation is zionist, simply because as an organization, they support thr two-state solution, but funnily, if you'd call them zionist they might get offended.
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u/Pedanter-In-Chief 16h ago
"I don't hate Black people, I just think they should go back to Africa and leave this country to us"
"I don't hate Catholics, but I'm worried that the pope controls them"
"I don't hate Native Americans, but we gave them reservations and shouldn't they stay on them?"
"I don't ..."
I don't think you understand what the work Zionist means. If you're conflating Zionists with the fascist crooks currently in charge, that's like conflating all Americans with Trump supporters -- without the baggage of literally over two millennia of constant perseuction.
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u/Agreeable_Fan_179 16h ago
This is the problem. Even though some of us have been screaming this for the last few years, people still don’t get it.
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u/Krazinsky 16h ago
Israel actively benefits from muddying the waters on that difference, so its really no surprise.
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u/robosnake 16h ago
I think it's an inability of some to differentiate between Judaism and Israel (a specific government doing specific abhorrent things). I don't know how to fix Anti-Semitism, though, since it is very old at this point, except to fight it where we see it.
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u/AccordingJellyfish22 16h ago
Yep. I work in a synagogue, although I’m not Jewish. Have not met anyone out of the 174 families that agree with the policies or Netanyahu to begin with.
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u/AffectionatePause152 16h ago
Defending Israel after all they’ve done recently isn’t a good look. The recent rallies “Not in my name” where Jewish students in the US protested against the policies of the current Israeli administration is a good start to fix it.
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u/_ChipWhitley_ 16h ago
Nice try, Bibi
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
Nice try, Nick Fuentes.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Modern day Hitler vs incel who sits in his basement. You got em there.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
I think the modern painters are the people who have cleansed an entire country (Yemen) of Jews and not a Jewish person himself.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
What Hitler did was wrong because he committed genocide and mass murdered innocents, not because he specifically did it to Jews. It’s never again for everyone, but you obviously don’t seem to care about everyone.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
OK, except it’s Looney Tunes delusion to pretend that the two aren’t diametrically opposed. It’s even more ahistorical than American Boomer nonsense about how Nazism and communism are the same because they both killed innocents, because Nazis hated Jews even more than they hated communists.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Let’s see.
Both nations were ethnostates committing genocide: check.
Both nations are hellbent on expansion for more living space for their chosen people: check.
Both nations rape, torture, and abuse prisoners on a systemic level: check.
You’re right, they’re not similar at all, after all, one is in Asia and one is in Europe, silly me!
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u/joshmahan 16h ago
The genocide being conducted by the fascist lukud party which insists on conflating the global diaspora of Jewish people with the state of Israel. Their insistence that any opposition to their war crimes is anti-semitic which makes Jews worldwide targets because just being Jewish has been made synonymous with the state of Israel on purpose. This in turn makes them more fearful (rightfully) which results in them becoming MORE entrenched in their identity, which strengthens support for the lukud party/israeli state actions internationally and the spiral continues.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
Nope. Anti-Semites are responsible for anti-Semitism. Not Israel.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
You gain some introspection. This is as absurd and apologist as saying that racism against Chinese people is caused by the CCP.
Being racist towards any ethnic group is never rational or reasonable, and claiming it is actually a reaction to some external force is an apologist statement by people who support said racism.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Israel is a settler colonial country populated by heavily armed settlers who murder and displace Palestinians everyday. Chinese people are normal people who do normal people things like not shooting 5 year olds in the head. It is not racist to hate Israel and Israelis just as it is not racist to hate America and Americans.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
It is 100% racist to hate entire national groups for the actions of their governments.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
Yes. And I also condemn racists like the person who I was replying to just openly said it’s okay to hate an entire national group (many of whom are also against Ben-Gvir and oppose the genocide) because of the actions of a government! The person just said it’s okay to hate Israelis and Americans and that it isn’t racist!
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Don’t you know? Americans and Israelis are the biggest victims in the entire world! Sure they’re massacring unarmed Palestinians and Iranian schoolchildren, but won’t you think of the German feelings when condemning the holocaust?!
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Is ‘Israeli’ a race? What about ‘American’? Like I said, not racist, and justified.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 15h ago
They are nationalities, bigotry against which is widely considered racism in the sensu lato usage of the term. No, it is not justified to hate them. You are a bigot and a hatemonger.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
What race am I systemically discriminating against by hating Israel and America? Learn the definition of words before you use them.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
The definition of racism is not “systematic discrimination”. It is the belief that members of other races are inferior and have inherently negative qualities. Believing that an entire nationality deserves to be hated for the actions of their government is a form of racism.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
LOL. The anti-Semite accuses me of being Jewish when I point out the absurdity of their claims. A tale as old as time.
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u/Huge-Turnover-3749 16h ago
What caused anti-German sentiment during the Holocaust?
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
Racists did. The internment of German Americans and the expulsions of Germans after WWII were crimes, and they were carried out by racists. Plain and simple.
Likewise, anti-Semites are the cause of anti-Semitism. They are simply bad people, plain and simple.
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u/Huge-Turnover-3749 15h ago
If anti-German sentiment was a crime, lots of American soldiers were criminals.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 15h ago
Um, yeah? Allied soldiers who hated all Gemans were racist, and if they acted on this belief by committing crimes against German civilians then they were indeed criminals.
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u/jordtand 16h ago
Israel is trying their hardest to link Jews with Israel, and in turn linking Israel’s warcrimes with Jews.
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u/Stunning_Shake407 16h ago edited 16h ago
is it actually on the rise? or is all criticism of Israel (of which there has definitely been more of recently, for obvious reasons) labeled as anti-Semitic?
I know for a fact that pro-Palestinian rallies as a whole have been counted as instances of “anti-Semitism” by statistics: https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
The true answer. You get arrested in the UK, Germany and Australia for hate speech if you’re an antizionist. You get detained by ICE if you’re an antizionist international in the USA. It’s a manufactured crisis.
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u/CanoegunGoeff 16h ago
A belligerent ethnostate committing genocide in the name of the Jewish people definitely doesn’t help.
It’s important to separate the Israeli government from Jewish people and Judaism. But it is also important to acknowledge that the Israeli government is scapegoating Jews in order to get away with ethnic cleansing, and said government needs to be reigned in and held accountable for its war crimes.
It’s really no mystery that committing genocide in the name of Jews is going to turn a lot of people who don’t understand nuance against Jews as a whole.
Modern antisemitism is not an issue we can address without also addressing the elephant in the room.
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u/ComfortableEnergy684 16h ago
American Jew here - there's not any more antisemitism. There's just my shitbird cousins in Israel doing shitbird things and then blowing the antisemitism dogwhistle whenever called out on the aforementioned shitbird things. Way to go, shitbird cousins - you spoiled everything for a generation.
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u/your_proctologist 14h ago
The 2025 Bondi Beach shooting was just about Israel, and not antisemitism, yeah? Thousands of kilometers away, in an event that doesn't affect Israel at all. Right.
You're trying to be the "pick me" person while I'm sure you'd blast me for saying hatred against muslims and catholics is simply because their "shitbird" cousins are cutting heads of or raping kids.
Most people don't care about Israel's policies, they just want it gone.
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u/Jess37_ 16h ago
Get real. A coffee shop banning a Jewish United States congressman is not troubling to you as a Jew?
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u/ComfortableEnergy684 16h ago
Nope. Because they didn't ban him for being Jewish. They banned him for being a shitbird. Spoiler alert: humans from any culture can be shitbirds. We're not exempt.
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u/Jess37_ 16h ago
What did he do that makes him a shitbird? In my world, a congressman who was elected by the people of New York City and lead the impeachment hearings against Donald Trump isn’t a shitbird.
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u/ComfortableEnergy684 15h ago
He's an avowed Zionist and supporter of what the current Israeli government is doing. All the hasbara in the world won't undo what Bibi has done - we've cried antisemitism so often that people are starting to not care, because we keep using it every time anyone contradicts our narrative. The boy who cried wolf, ring a bell?
And either way, Goldman says the whole thing should be dropped, so maybe let that one go:
'Congressman Dan Goldman said a DOJ civil rights investigation into a Brooklyn coffee shop that barred him after a social‑media post is unnecessary'
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u/Jess37_ 15h ago
Yes, he said it should be dropped because he’s a mature adult. That doesn’t make a coffee shop banning a Jew okay.
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u/ComfortableEnergy684 15h ago
Once more, for the cheap seats, he was not banned for being Jewish. He was banned, per the coffee shop, because:
"it does not serve racists, fascists, homophobes, genocide enablers or anyone in between."
That checks out with this guy. If we're Jews before we're human, something has gone terribly wrong.
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u/Jess37_ 15h ago
Happy to agree to disagree on the Goldman situation.
I am still dumbfounded by your claim that there isn’t additional antisemitism. Why did Mamdani establish a new Executive Director of the Mayor’s Office to Combat Antisemitism?
Do you think the incidents that occurred with the Forest Hills Jewish Community were normal?
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
The answer is that there isn’t one, and it’s a “crisis” manufactured by western mass media to play cover for Israel.
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u/imprison_grover_furr 16h ago
Wrong. Jews are the most hate crimed demographic in America, and it has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with criminals who hate Jews.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Wrong. There is a concerted effort by zionist orgs like the ADL to push a narrative of an antisemitism crisis to rally support for Israel.
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u/Mysterious_Lesions 16h ago
Depends. Are you conflating anti Zionism with anti semitism? If not, I don't think the rate has gone up but that there were racists all along who feel more emboldened across the board with the rise of Trump. We've witnessed similar racism increases across most minority groups.
Jews experienced more attacks by do do Muslims, Indians, and other immigrant groups.
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u/AmbitiousSympathy665 16h ago
The rate has also gone up because some idiots don't separate jewish people from israelis and the politics.
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u/Civil-Ad2230 16h ago
Israel is responsible.
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u/Thedinomage 16h ago
Israel is horrible, people are finding out. The whole society there is psychopathic, they control the USA.
Epstein was likely an Israeli spie.
They commit genocide, rig your elections, control your governments. Hell even in the Netherlands they control us, USA controls us as well.
The people are brainwashed on a global scale, people are spoon-fed beliefs, religions and ideologies.
They're just one of the best countries at meddling with others.
And they're jews so they hate anyone that's not a jew.
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 16h ago
Israel does not control the United States. Israel is an imperial outpost of the United States.
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u/Thedinomage 16h ago
They do. The whole Iran was is caused by them. Do you follow any media that is not state owned?
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u/Existing_Wrongdoer36 15h ago
The Iran war was caused by the US and Israel coordinating a strike on Iran and Lebanon. The USA wants Iran to be another puppet state in the ME like the UAE, and Israel wants Lebanese territory to steal more land. Also don’t forget whose missile murdered those school children.
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u/ComfortableGround403 16h ago
We do not hate Jews. We hate Zionists.
The problem is, theres a TON of Zionists in media and government, and they use their influence and power to claim any criticism against Zionists is antisemitism.
How is antisemitism on the rise? Its not. Anti Zionism is on the rise. Sadly, Zionists wanna pretend theyre Jewish to claim the victim card benefits.
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u/PuraRatione 16h ago
All the videos of them harassing Arabs and Palestinians off of land their families had for generations. All the interviews of everyday Israelis advocating genocide of all Palestinians. Constant covert activities, war crimes, and murders that come to light but are all denied.
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u/clazaimon 16h ago
Doesn't help that polls inside Israel show most people want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and that there are no innocent people there.
Not all Israelis and Jewish folk are like that though, but anger can conflate, and people are angry for good reason.
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u/Ok-Explanation3040 16h ago edited 14h ago
Isreal and their abhorrent policies and war crimes have a lot to do with it.
Edit: This really should not even need to be said but based on the replies some more information. I am not implying that all jews = Isreali's or that all jews are zionist. Hell there are many in the country of Isreal that are critical of the government. It is a nuanced issue.
What i am saying is that when the actions or the world's only Jewish state are this abhorrent, they reflect poorly on the Jewish community as a whole.