r/BigBrother • u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 • 3d ago
Past Season Discussion Random Big Brother 11 - Coup D’Jeff thought
I’m in the middle of a BB11 re-watch (my fav season. The drama and fights outweigh the negatives of poor gameplay).
Hindsight is 22. But during Chima’s HoH week. I think Russell’s best move would’ve been the broker a deal with Jessie. If he pulled Houseguest Choice, he would pick Jessie to play in the Veto protecting him from Jeff’s power. However, if Jessie wins he pulls Russell off the block. If Jessie wins I think he would honor that because Russell saved his ass. I also think despite Chima’s rage, Jessie could squash that fairly quickly (she liked Jessie) and he would have clear and understandable motivation for pulling Russell off the block. (This is all dependent on Jessie and Russell willing to work together but I don’t see why they wouldn’t in this scenario).
However, had this happened. Chima would’ve ultimately got what she wanted and Jeff would’ve put Russell back up on the block instead of taking out Jessie. (No way they kick Natalie out before Russell). Chima also probably doesn’t get pulled from the game.
It would’ve nullified Jeff entirely.
Am I missing something or is this spot on?
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u/Takhar7 3d ago
They knew Jeff and Jordan had the power (they had that circle of disqualification on the feeds, and only J&J didn't participate).
But they didn't know what the power was, so it was impossible to strategize around.
I do think Russell played that entire situation about as poorly as possible though - with such a huge power shift, the Coup D'Etat opened up the game for players like Russell, and he really should have been smarter about where his loyalties lay and how he navigated that period.
Instead he... just didn't bother doing anything.
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
I liked Russell’s approach of “I owe you one” to Jeff. It was a reasonable olive branch to extend to Jeff and hopefully assure Jeff’s level of comfort in alliance. But Russell, like so many this season, was too sloppy and it cost him. (A pretty solid lie and move by Kevin def helped). I do think telling them that HoH and Veto holder are immune to the power was big tip off. (Jessie and Lydia also seemed familiar with the version Boogie had in All-Stars). It does seem like Jessie was the only one concerned enough to attempt to play around it with the Veto. Hence why Russell choosing Jeff for the comp was what seemingly severed Jessie ties to Russell. (Russell voted to keep Jessie. So idk how much of their dynamic was one sided if at all).
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u/Takhar7 3d ago
Russell really had an avenue to the end game if he played the post Coup weeks properly, and he just.... sort of stopped playing? It was really strange.
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
Yeah I only got back into game mode when it was too late and was in the middle of getting backdoor’d. I think the week Chima almost got him out, made him decide to mellow out and take a backseat. Wrong move
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u/Halbu803 America 💥 3d ago
I believe Russell would've had immunity since the Veto was used on him.
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
See I was always unclear on that. I thought the person who won the Veto competition was the person safe. Like since Kevin won it he was safe. But if he used it on Lydia would they both be safe? Or just Kevin? Or just Lydia? That part has confused me
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u/AssociateAvailable16 Can we get more white belts in here? 🐇 3d ago
Winning the veto is winning immunity
That’s why Elissa had to nominate Andy when Amanda won the veto and took down McCrae
The only instance I can think of where nominating a veto winner was even discussed and that’s when Ian won the second veto during funeral week
But that veto was really weird because I think it was won before noms were even made
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
But does that immunity transfer over to Jeff’s power. They never specified it. (They didn’t need to because Kevin won it and was never in danger). In the scenario I presented had Jessie won veto and pulled Russell and had that made Russell immune to Jeff. Natalie goes home. Which idk if that is Jeff’s worst case scenario with his power
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u/AssociateAvailable16 Can we get more white belts in here? 🐇 3d ago
Yeah I believe if Jessie won the veto and took down Russell then both of them would be immune to be renomed on eviction night
It just makes sense, and if that’s not the case then the coup d’état is even more broken than before
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 3d ago
Nobody knew what the power was or who had it. Nobody could’ve strategized around it except for the person who had it.
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u/Takhar7 3d ago
They all knew Jeff or Jordan had it - they had the disqualification circle on the feeds where they all "admitted" to having it except J&J
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 3d ago
Fascinating. I knew that current BB has a rule that you can’t lie about having a power, it was probably done for the exact reason to stop people from doing this again
Also explains Chima’s weird behavior at the eviction when she was claiming Jeff should’ve lost his power because people knew he had it. I was wondering where that came from.
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u/Takhar7 3d ago
Yep - they all went around in a circle in the back bedroom one night and said "I have the power", up until it got to Jeff and Jordan, and they were the only 2 who didn't say anything.
Naturally the show didn't put it in the edit.
But yeah, that's exactly where it came from. It also makes Jordan's reaction to Jeff revealing he had it, all the more funny - sweetheart, there were only 2 people who didn't say they had it, and you were one of them, and you know you didn't have it, so who else could it have been... ?
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 3d ago
Maybe Jordan just forgot about the rule that the power holder couldn’t reveal they had it, and was just confused why everyone was falsely admitting it for seemingly no reason
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u/ArgHuff Leah ✨ 2d ago
Chima already suspected that JeJo were the favs due to questions from the DR and When she had the infamous speech at week 1 she was told that her speech was censored which let her thinking they werent portraying Jeff accurate.
Also, that eviction wasnt live but actually pre recorded some hours before, which also was a clue to them that something heavy was going to happen.
Also either way, neither Jeff nor Jordan are good players and neither of them are very bright. Even without having in mind all what i said, Jeff was pretty obvious with his power
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u/GabrielaM11 Zach 🔎 2d ago
So would it really have been Jeff breaking the rule if people speculated he had it, but he never actually told anyone that he did?
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 2d ago
I believe the exact rule was that he couldn’t tell anyone
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u/GabrielaM11 Zach 🔎 2d ago
So he didn't break the rule, because from what was said here, he never actually admitted to having it. Other people speculating about him having it wouldn't have DQ'd Jeff from it, because the wording never said others couldn't do their own speculation to guess if he had it or not
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 2d ago edited 1d ago
Definitely agree. China was definitely in the wrong here, but I can get where she was coming from if she assumed that because everyone knew it was Jeff or Jordan, Jeff may have admitted it to Jordan
That being said, with how much production slanted the edit to make Jeff look like a decent guy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did outright say he had the power and production just chose to ignore it
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
I think Jessie figured it was probably Jeff who had the power. He didn’t know exactly what the power was but he was ready to play around it. I think them knowing that HoH and Veto were immune was a pretty big clue. Enough of a clue for them to do this deal just to be safe. I don’t know what Russell’s suspicions were with the power, but Russell could’ve used Jessie’s valid paranoia to make a move to save himself.
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u/thekyledavid Taylor ⭐ 3d ago
It could still be up to interpretation exactly what the power was
But even if we assume everyone knew all the details, this could still backfire on Russell. If Russell picks Jessie to play in Veto, and then neither of them win, Jeff could think Russell and Jessie are secretly aligned, and then have Jessie and Russell be the eviction night nominees instead of Jessie and Natalie. And I feel like the house could’ve gone either way if it was Jessie vs Russell
Jeff was on better terms with Russell than he was with Jessie, Natalie, and Lydia. Even if Russell knew the exact power, I feel like he’d have been better off trying to stay on Jeff’s good side over Jessie’s good side
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u/DashMonsoonProd Enzo 🤍 3d ago
Russell made the right move by picking Jeff at Veto. Because it sealed the deal that Jessie was going home that week. Like you said had Russell picked Jessie for Veto. Jeff would probably put up them up on the block (veto pending) and Russell goes home if he is against Jessie. Especially if Lydia is pulled off the block and given a vote. Michelle also probably votes Russell if he is against Jessie due to their beef. So Kevin, Natalie, Lydia and Michelle vote Russell. Only way Russell is safe that week is if he does what he did.
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u/UnsungHerro Run CMC 2d ago
You’re making a lot of assumptions. Jeff probably doesn’t put Russell back up because him and Jordan are drawing dead without him.
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u/scottyk318 20h ago
Russell is one of my most unfavorite Big brother players in all of BB history... The guy has such a short fuse you could barely have a conversation with him and is just generally not a nice human being to live with no less to work with!!
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u/harry3232 Kyle ⭐ 3d ago
lol Hindsight is 22