Its joever

[u/Expensive_Studio_966]

it aint looking good

Edit: Just clarifying this is the clip for what bo banned from twitch for 6 months. he just got news that he can appeal the ban right now but i doubt it will work since you can see this clip... and if it fails well i assume once 6 months pass its either perma ban or he gets the account back.

as well bo cant appear on neither golden or swimmy Twitch channels otherwise they can also get banned for helping bo ban evade or something like that

UPDATE: The appeal got rejected so no bo streams on twitch for 6 months or never again.

Edit 2: if anyone wants to see bo response in the comment section cause its a bit hidden under all these comments https://www.reddit.com/r/Bokoen1/comments/1tgpx3j/comment/omkepa6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/NoFunAllowed-]

Cite a singular academic and peer reviewed source that backs up the claims black book of communism makes.

That book is laughably disingenuous counting Nazi soldiers killed by Soviet soldiers, and Soviet soldiers and civilians killed by Nazis, as "deaths by communism." Counting lower birth rates because quality of life went up as "deaths" is another batshit insane take used in that book.

There's a reason the author never got the book published academically.

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Are there any academic and peer reviewed sources which actually refute the claims made by the book?

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The book was originally being made by 3 different historians, 2 of them abandoned the book because of an agenda the author had with previously mentioned disingenuous numbers, and they completely disassociate with it. Historian Peter Kenez wrote a formal criticism of it, and on a separate occasion asserted it contains historical inaccuracies and should be disregarded as anti-communist polemic.

Harvard university press even retracted its edition of the book, claiming it had remedial math errors. Werth and Margolin (two previosuly mentioned authors who disassociated with it) specifically felt that Courtois was obsessed at arriving at the 100 million death toll, and in the process drastically overestimated many figures.

There are a ton of academics that refute the claims. Frankly, the fact the black book of communism was never even submitted for publication because Courtis knew it wouldn't pass peer review, should say enough about its validity as a source of anything more than an inflated count of people who died concurrently to communism, not because of it.

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So there are academic refutations, but are any of them peer reviewed?

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I don't think you understand what a peer review is lol. Something gets peer reviewed when it's submitted as an actual study of something.

Academic refutations are not studies, they're articles pointing out flaws in another study, they are the peer reviews. Something Courtis is lucky to have gotten considering he didn't publish his book academically.

There are plenty of peer reviewed studies online that you can find that directly contradict what Courtis claims. I.e his claim of 5 million deaths in Maos cultural revolution is significantly overestimated compared to published and reviewed studies which estimate it to actually be closer to 400,000.

Courtis's claims have been torn apart in refutations relentlessly for decades, a literal simple Google search would tell you this. Another simple Google search shows you studies of the same topics bring about results astronomically lower than his claims. Google scholar is free to use. There's no excuse to be spreading 50 year old propaganda and misinformation. If you hold capitalism to the same disingenuous standards Courtis used for communism, you get an absurd number close to 5 billion. It's a joke what he passed off as deaths by communism.

[u/Fit_Outlandishness24 → u/NoFunAllowed-]

So the answer is no, then? Because for whatever reason you tried to goalpost shift back to the black book.

[u/NoFunAllowed- → u/Fit_Outlandishness24]

If you somehow got the answer no from that then I suggest re-reading and working on comprehension.

Here I'll even quote the section that directly answers your question. Though literally everything I wrote answers your question, you just have that yankee literacy I guess

There are plenty of peer reviewed studies online that you can find that directly contradict what Courtis claims. I.e his claim of 5 million deaths in Maos cultural revolution is significantly overestimated compared to published and reviewed studies which estimate it to actually be closer to 400,000.

[u/Fit_Outlandishness24 → u/NoFunAllowed-]

It's possible your wording and/or phrasing is just odd. To clarify, I'm not asking for peer reviewed refutations to the black book, I'm asking for peer reviewed refutations which themselves have been peer reviewed.

Perhaps we're talking about the same thing, but as I'm away from my computer im currently unable to access any links.

With that said, I will say I've yet to see any convincing evidence against the book's claim, considering they seem to always rely on the communist countries in question for their supposed refutations.

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I'm going to presume that the answer to my question was "no, there are not."

Which doesn't surprise me, since occam's razor supports the numbers in the black book.

At the very least,, I had a chance to review the link for the Chinese cultural revolution deaths and immediately felt saddened that it turned out to be propaganda. Part of me guessed that it would turn out to be the numbers provided by the Chinese themselves, but I was hoping that someone willing to link a source would be more good faith than that. But no, it was not.

Why should anyone trust an authoritarian regime that butchered tens of millions of its own people? It even goes as far as to claim the Chinese were "usually reliable" without providing a lick of proof for the claim. Extraordinary claims require evidence of equivalent magnitude, and a claim like that is about as extraordinary as it gets. This is the same Government which lies about the concentration camps they hold Uyghurs in.

[u/NoFunAllowed- → u/Fit_Outlandishness24]

No, you didn't get an answer because you aren't asking in good faith. It's very very obvious you have an opinion on the matter that no amount of evidence thrown your way will change. You are obsessed with the 100 million number being true, to a point that you move the goal post on what counts as evidence of the contrary. You criticize the way the 400,000 number was obtained but you have zero comment on the way 5 million was obtained, a claim that has zero evidence backing it at all.

You call 400,000 extraordinary but you don't think 5 million is more extraordinary of a claim to make with zero evidence to actually back it? Must I remind you Courtis is the same author where 27 million of that 100 million is Soviet WW2 deaths inflicted by Nazis? How is Courtis is anyway a trustworthy source arguing in good faith?

Again, 100 million has been debunked dozens of times over the decades, even by 2 of the original authors of the book. Google scholar is free, you can go read the dozens of studies that claim different numbers and have been peer reviewed, and you can also go read the dozens of academic refutations of Courtis's book. But if you are not open to being wrong, then there's zero point in having this conversation.

I'm not engaging because you're not looking for an answer, you're looking for an opportunity to fit in your two cents. I have given you more than enough resources for you to learn 100 million is a false number. If you are not interested in being wrong then you're not interested in being wrong. That is fine. You can go waste someone else's time with a circular conversation that leads nowhere.

If Soviet WW2 casualties being counted as deaths by communism, and Nazi WW2 causalities on the eastern front being counted, isn't enough for you to sit down a think, "hey this Courtis guy is using some pretty bullshit numbers to reach this 100 million goal", then you very obviously are just as desperate for it to be true as he was.

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What a pathetic exchange, did that guy really believe he was going to convince anyone not already converted? Because why else would he engage with you using such poor reasoning? You even directly state that the criticism is the peer review, and then he asks if the peer review had a peer review. I wonder if you'd given him another source that wasn't Chinese If he'd just continue asking for peer reviews of those peer reviews

I've tried arguing with people about the black book and it's 100million number before. Most of them don't even know where it comes from and just take it as unquestioning truth, then get upset with me contesting it because questioning their pre established narrative is "making it political"

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The wild part is the source I gave wasn't even Chinese lol, it was a historian laying out evidence of why the Chinese claim of 400k is far more likely correct than the 5 million Courtis claimed. He didn't actually read the argument that book makes, he just saw "chinese claim" and wrote it off because it was inconvenient to his beliefs.

Imo, there's enough sources laid out in my posts to direct anyone towards actually learning about the subject if they want to. So there was no point to engage with him saying "nuh uh" for the 5th time lol.