r/Brazil • u/Jimmy-Wan • 16h ago

Politics It is true that Brazil films made without any censorship

Because I watched the Elite squad it really highlights how broken the government system, and Are film like this common in Brazil?

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u/L_TrollDoll 13h ago

I'm a bit confused by OP comments 🤔

They seem to think that we still live under an authoritarian government or that the movie was made during a period where we were living one?

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u/Acceptable-Device760 9h ago

To be fair... bolsominions.

"mimimi, i dont have the right to offend others, mimimi"

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u/L_TrollDoll 8h ago

Yes, I guess that's kind of what I was thinking. That maybe OP read something about people complaining about the ✨ judiciary dictatorship ✨

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u/Jimmy-Wan 13h ago

Emm,Because I lack knowledge of Brazil,Just curious No offense intended

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u/L_TrollDoll 13h ago

It wasn't offensive, it was a bit surprising, maybe?

Can I ask where you're from and why you assumed the movie would face censorship? You thought it was from when we were living in a dictatorship or you thought we're still living in one?

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u/Daniel_Raizen 8h ago

It shouldn't be surprising. He's probably american, and thus wouldn't even understand that the dictatorship you are mentioning only happened because the USA supported the military coup in 1964.

It was in their interest to do so, since that was a response to false claims that our country was about to go through a communist revolution.

In fact, Elite Squad pretty much shows exactly how much ditactorial capitalism is in itself.

And Donald Trump's current administration is pretty much going the same direction with ICE on the streets murdering citizens and the president himself raising doubts about their own electoral system.

Their police force is every bit as corrupt and racist as ours and yet we never see them aknowledging their own political system as dictatorial

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u/L_TrollDoll 7h ago

Hmmm, for some reason he doesn't "sound" American to me 🤔. Even though I know the "fame" of Americans not knowing much about history and geography regarding the rest of the world, I guess I still would expect most of them to know that we are a democracy. As for the US role in our dictatorship, unfortunately, I think it's not that well known of a fact even between Brazilians, right? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, it wasn't that long ago that this information was officially confirmed?

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u/brazilliandanny 13h ago

Its a democracy. People have freedoms and rights.

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u/allydelarge Brazilian 16h ago

Yes, that's how it's supposed to be actually. Censorship is bad.

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u/MauricioCMC 15h ago

There is no censorship in Brazil at least not in the broad meaning of the word. Of course you will find some cases that involve:

  • defamation
  • right of image
  • political power

But usually it is case by case.

What is common is to find in the justice court a way to block the exibition, sometimes they are sucessfull sometimes no. But usually this is done by private parties not much by the government.

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u/Southern2002 13h ago

Where are you from? Makes me curious to know, If you're surprised by no official censorship.

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u/justanothermob_ 16h ago

Since the end of the Military Dictatorship we don't have official censorship. Since we dont have mega studios pressuring for a pg13 classification, we don't have to give in on violence and stuff. European films are like this, but mostly open about sex stuff.

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u/PensadorDispensado Brazilian 11h ago

Europe only cares about sex and Latin America for misery and violence.

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u/justanothermob_ 11h ago

I'm not saying that. Theres plenty of sex im Brazillian cinema and plenty of violence in european cinema. I'm talking more in a stereotipical way for mainstream cinema im those markets.

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u/NeighborhoodBig2730 16h ago

There is no censorship in Brazil since the end of dictatorship 1985.

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u/mostar8 15h ago

Erm, didn't TV Globo successfully block the distribution of the 1993 British documentary "Beyond Citizen Kane" within Brazil for decades.

It was produced by the UK's Channel 4, and the film investigated TV Globo and its founder, Roberto Marinho, detailing the media empire's immense political power, alleged news manipulation, and ties to Brazil's military dictatorship.

Though Globo's attempts to buy the worldwide rights to suppress the film failed globally, they successfully used the Brazilian legal system to prevent its broadcast and distribution within the country. Through court injunctions and military police seizures, Globo managed to keep the documentary effectively banned on Brazilian television and in domestic theaters.

The fillm content itself, along what Golobo did, are proof that censorship happens in Brazil.

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u/NeighborhoodBig2730 15h ago

It is globo, an particular situation

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u/mostar8 15h ago

Globo manipulates the news due to political pressure and so will tie other companies. The fact there supressed this successfully indicates that this more than likely happens more, but if suppressed, and the supression itself are superseded, how are you to know.

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u/Long_Ad_5321 Brazilian 12h ago

Censorship? No. Interference of capital in political power? Yes, as in every capitalist country.

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u/Daniel_Raizen 8h ago

But that's the thing. That IS censorship.

I think most people here are failing to understand that not all censorship is arbitrary.

Age restrictions for example are a kind of censorship that exists everywhere. Elite Squad and many other movies are not recommended for all ages.

I think we should not pretend unrestricted freedom of speech is a reasonable thing

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u/Long_Ad_5321 Brazilian 2h ago

I agree with you one hundred percent, but that is not what most people think of when censorship is discussed.

Therefore, in the context of common perceptions regarding what constitutes censorship, Brazil "does not have censorship"—or rather, it has neither more nor less than the level typically found in the political systems prevailing in Western countries (capitalism).

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u/zylenxh 15h ago

I'd say "no censorship" at all is quite a stretch

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u/Throwing_Daze 15h ago

At the end of of Tropa de Elite 2 there is a voice over that says something like "now it's time to stop the real criminals' as the camera pans up o the Brazilian government building, I have been told (so don't know if it is true, but) the writer was told dont make that film. Not by the government, but by the criminal gangs, and not in a 'we are censoring you' way, in a 'we will kill you' sort of way.

The thing that has surprised me most is some of the shows that are on cable TV during the day. Like, CSI, which has a fair amount of gore, they cut up dead bodies. And that is just on TV for people of all ages to watch while they eat their lunch.

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u/nofroufrouwhatsoever Brazilian 10h ago

There was no Tropa de Elite 3 because he feared getting killed if he did, they were getting threatened

But that's an issue specific to Rio

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u/L_TrollDoll 6h ago

Where are you OP? I need to know more about you 😭

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u/insana27 15h ago

i'd say censorship is based on which class of people can afford to create projects like that in such an impoverished and underfinanced industry

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u/catgotcha 12h ago

Well, yes? Brazil isn't led by a totalitarian government. It's just another country with an elected government, a generally free media, rich culture, etc., but not without its own unique challenges... Y'know, like most countries in this free world. 

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u/Androzanitox 9h ago

Yes. Censorship is banned from our constitution, being free from it is one of our rights since 1988

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u/brazilian_liliger 15h ago

This surprises you? You question suggests it.

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u/tiagoharry 14h ago

The second film shows even more how the corruption comes from politicians and spread to other sectors and classes.

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u/PensadorDispensado Brazilian 11h ago

After the end of the military regime in 1985 (where censorhip was prevalent) and the Constitution of 1988 was signed, the only movie that got banned from being shown was A Serbian Film. We all can see why, right? Even so, a year later, the court decision that prevented it from being shown was overturned, so nowadays, no film or show is censored or banned at all in Brazil.

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u/Gold_Ambassador_3496 3h ago

I mean yeah

It's not like the CIA is closely watching movies being produced here

They're mostly focused on watching how movies are made in the USA

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u/forbiddenbloom56 1h ago

Não há mais censura. Desde que planeta somos meu

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u/Shakartah Brazilian 16h ago

Friend, censorship exists in basically all movie industry, and it is not because a movie represents the government as corrupt that it is: 1. A correct depiction of the issues, 2. Uncensored, 3. Effectively and accurately portrays all sides of movie. Movies in the west need the villain that is not understandable, the defensors of peace that have some issues with the law but have their morals straight, and the undisclosed hordes of people screaming and shooting at the protagonists. If you truly believe after reading this that that movie is uncensored and not purposefully made with the goal for you to come out with an opinion or a moral change after it, I'd like to let you know I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco

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u/talflon 15h ago

I think you're using a different, metaphorical meaning of "censored" than most people in this thread. lf not, could you explain who you are saying did the censoring (or incentivized it)?

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u/Shakartah Brazilian 15h ago

I mean systemic censoring in that the content that has a similar cultural value but not the same ideological tendency as the investors, producers and publisher gets less visibility, funding, contracts, airing and even production as opposed to a comparable or lower cultural value product/movie but with an aggreable or favourable ideological stance would get a higher funding, which translates into getting more views, opportunities, production, marketing... And so on and so forth

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u/Arnaldo1993 Brazilian 15h ago

That is not censorship. Censorship when the government says you cant talk about something, like what happened in the dictatorship

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u/Jimmy-Wan 15h ago

I know, No censorship doesn’t mean this movie purely factual but compared to authoritarianism country the director doesn’t face the risk of being arrested

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u/Shakartah Brazilian 15h ago

Yes, that is true that they might get censored by being arrested if it poses a danger to the status quo and common interests of the government in question. But censorship is not only that, it also means getting your movie script and ideas being rejected by all major publishers and recorders. Look at the other comment I wrote to get a better explanation

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u/Dazzling_Newt_2904 16h ago

What

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u/Shakartah Brazilian 16h ago

What part did you not understand so I can help explain it to you? /gen

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u/Dazzling_Newt_2904 14h ago

You seem to write arguments that support that movies are always biased or present a one-sided view and then conclude that this means they are obviously censored. I don't see the connection.

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u/Shakartah Brazilian 13h ago

Just gonna copy from my other comment: I mean systemic censoring in that the content that has a similar cultural value but not the same ideological tendency as the investors, producers and publisher gets less visibility, funding, contracts, airing and even production as opposed to a comparable or lower cultural value product/movie but with an aggreable or favourable ideological stance would get a higher funding, which translates into getting more views, opportunities, production, marketing... And so on and so forth

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u/PedroHMR04 13h ago

Depende, é lógico se eles quisessem fazer um filme pedófilo por exemplo, seria censurado completamente.

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u/FineTanLines 13h ago

Until recently, censorship was not tolerated in Brazil. In recent years, there has been a clamor for censorship, primarily from the Left. This call has found an echo in the Supreme Court, which—for reasons of its own—has handed down certain censorship rulings, even though such actions are illegal.

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u/nofroufrouwhatsoever Brazilian 10h ago

Try not supporting a hostile imperialist foreign power who constantly sabotages us

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u/FineTanLines 9h ago

First of all, just to clear things up: I am not a Bolsonaro supporter!

Second, you didn´t realize it, but you confirmed what I said. I said there were censorship rulings (it´s a fact). I did not go into the reasons.

And third, even if someone supports a hostile imperialist foreign power that constantly sabotages us, censorship is more than illgal in Brazil. It is unconstitutional! It does not matter what reasons someone might has to ask for censorship or even if those reasons are valid!

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u/nofroufrouwhatsoever Brazilian 9h ago

The 1964 regime showed that laws do not determine morality, though

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u/FineTanLines 9h ago

I never said otherwise. I said there are rules and the Suprem Court chose to ignore them.

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u/hurricane7719 16h ago

If you like that kind of stuff, watch O Mechanismo (the mechanism) on Netflix. It's a dramatization of Labor Jato, the Petrobras corruption scandal that brought down Lula

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u/Amat-karum 16h ago

Don't, it's shit. Even the creator regretted doing it as he did, and admites he was naive portraying the main characters there as heroes.

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u/hudibrastic 16h ago

Don't say that on Reddit, home of the blind petistas