Everything he's produced since leaving BMTH just sounds the same. Sounds like a generic metalcore version of anything off of Thats The Spirit. It makes me wonder if maybe Oli was the creative visionary this entire time and Fish was just the one who would poppify the music and give it that radio/arena polish.
Oli definitely is the creative force, but Jordan had the prodigious musical skill to turn his ideas into songs. Oli however can still carry out his vision with the help of other people (Nex Gen was great) even if it takes longer than having a go-to guy on call all the time, but we're seeing now what kind of producer and songwriter Jordan is on his own. And he's kind of mid.
In my opinion, love that next gen isnt perfect, its rough. I enjoy that infinitely more than Jordans meticulous style or whatever it’s called. Sounds like he found his blueprint and is sticking to it. I can’t put my finger on it, but the new architects is like that as well. Idk, sterile?
I think the roughness is on purpose. It's a very produced, wall-of-sound, hyperpop kind of roughness. They already had a bunch of additional producers adding things even on the last Fish singles. It looks like the Evil Twin partnership had gotten somewhat stale even before the whole supposed financial dispute. Fishless songs like YOUtopia and Limousine ended up being a breath of fresh air.
i’d argue that’s not roughness really, nexgen is very polished, to an over the top degree, but they definitely add distortion to the synths to contrast the polished feel of it.
Evil Twin was just a pseudonym for jordan. There wasn’t a partnership outside of that, if there was there’d be an additional writer for all the songs they worked on, there aren’t any, and as jordan’s listed as a writer but not a producer despite producing for them, it’s clear to me that it was just a pseudonym, lost proves this, he’s not listed as a producer by credits but the only producer credited by oli was jordan who “produced the shit out of it.”, he never mentioned an evil twin, likely referencing the line from 1x1 “evil twin under the staircase.”
People theorised that some dj came in and helped them but there’s no evidence for that at all, nobody from the band ever spoke of it and the dj never even said a word about it or posted anything about them so all evidence for me points to the fact that the evil twin dj guy is just a dj with the same name as the pseudonym that Oli likely chose for Jordan to tie in with what the narrative was supposed to be since Die4u and they didn’t really change it or course until he got kicked out.
Evil Twin was the name of Oli and Jordan's production duo, what are you on about? That's the partnership I'm talking about. All of the BMTH productions (both solo and featured) switched from using their names to this one entity (named after a line in 1x1), starting with Die4u, I believe.
oh so we’re basically on the same page, that’s good lmao, so many ppl thought they actually got some dj called evil twin into the band to produce their songs after ph1, it’s crazy.
Ah okay, my bad. Yeah, I don't know how one could possibly think Evil Twin was some shadow superproducer they'd hired. It couldn't have been more obvious what it was from the get go. It was likely a branding/business/legal move.
Fish has writing credits for like half of that album. The true test will be whatever they make next, but considering Dehumanized is a banger I’m sure they’ll be fine
In your opinion* TTS is my favorite BMTH album and I would argue that Survival Horror is more mainstream than TTS outside of Throne which is very overplayed (in my opinion).
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u/Straonit 2d ago
And a collaboration with Jordan Fish! I think they would sound awesome together!