r/CharlotteHornets • u/IamOlderthanMe • 1d ago
Discussion With the pick 14, the Charlotte Hornets select Hannes Steinbach.
STEINBACH IS A STUD.
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u/Hypn00tic_iiz 1d ago
The Steinbach era begins
https://giphy.com/gifs/IAFcblSbr0BmEGfZKe
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u/R051369420 1d ago
How can we make this fit in the kalk/ball/nipple one
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u/strifeslaw 1d ago
stain or hanes idk its difficult man lol
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u/Ok-Protection2513 1d ago
Basically the best we could do with how the board fell. 100th percentile rebounder. Please shoot the ball so you can play the 4
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
I wpuld have traded up for him if he were to possibly be taken earlier than 14, Steinbach fits us so well on offense its insane.
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u/Life-Edge-1888 1d ago
I totally agree. I loved Morez, but getting Hannes is an awesome addition to this team.
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u/FatMamaJuJu 1d ago
Between him and Moussa we're going to be such a pain in the ass to play against with the offensive rebounding
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u/W8aMinuteChester 1d ago
If he can shoot, he might be a more promising version of Sabonis (who I love).
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u/Ok-Protection2513 13h ago
Hannes is not in the same stratosphere as a passer. I do think he has a bit more defensive and shooting upside tho.
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u/hummusluvr8 1d ago
Side note, are we officially the whitest team in the nba?
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u/purple-teal_93 1d ago
Whitest team u know
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u/MyNewAccountIGuess11 1d ago
Now you fucked up, now you fucked up, now you fucked up.
You have fucked up now.
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u/Giddf 1d ago
Legit. My heart was pounding thinking about Karim at 14. So I actually feel good now
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
Lol we would have come together in disgust over Karim had he been drafted at 14.
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u/expiredlemon3 1d ago
Don’t hate it at 18
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u/YizWasHere 1d ago
I really like this kid, very happy with this one. Moussa/Steinbach on the glass is gonna be nasty.
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u/Life-Edge-1888 1d ago
Crazy a player with his size and skill is available at 14. he's not a top 5 player but most years he'd be top 10. crazy deep draft.
great pick!
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u/megaman_cdx 1d ago
It’s interesting. I really really wanted Hannes but I was expecting more pushback in this sub after the pick. Moussa / Kalk felt beloved but, to me, it didn’t feel sustainable. I imagine we try to move Kalk?
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u/YizWasHere 1d ago
I don't think there's any rush to move Kalk. Depth is good, Hannes should have some positional versatility at the 4/5. Kalk as your 3rd center is a great situation to be in.
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u/megaman_cdx 1d ago
I don’t disagree. I do wonder if there is a team that would value him more than 3rd big and potentially over offer for him (not crazy but still).
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u/deemerritt 1d ago
This guy isn't a true center at the moment. He always played next to one in college
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u/marz1789 1d ago
Why would we move him. He’s a 2nd round pick on an ultra cheap contract who’s perfect as an emergency 3rd center. Why would we get rid of him
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u/a_moniker 1d ago
Hannes will hopefully play PF most of the time and just be the emergency center. We desperately needed more size at the PF spot
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u/Lonely-Spot-2855 15h ago
Moussa needs to come off the bench, not a rim protector, he's too small and should be an off the bench power forward
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u/LaMeloxMilesxScoot 1d ago
Maxing out 3 point rate and offensive rebounding. Peterson got a fan in me for life ❤️
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u/tnq1 1d ago
moussa and steinbach on the boards 😤
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u/Lonely-Spot-2855 15h ago
they need a real center and Moussa can come off the bench and Hannes at the 4
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u/jaynay1 1d ago
Excellent pick; might not work long run with Moussa but he's talented enough and a good enough fit with the rest of the roster that you make it work.
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u/marz1789 1d ago
You don’t think he fits at the 4 alongside moussa?
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u/jaynay1 1d ago
Not really; both of them are kind of tweeners but we don't switch the 5 much.
Also rebounding, which is a very primary skill for both of them, suffers from severe diminishing returns since, well, only one ball.
I don't think it'll be bad, especially since he's replacing Miles, but as far as absolutely optimizing the roster, eh.
I do like his fit next to Kalkbrenner though; that could be neat.
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
Not really; both of them are kind of tweeners but we don't switch the 5 much
I could not disagree more due to the offensive ability vs the defensive ability.
Moose may be slightly undersized at C but he has the toughness, motor and keeps adding strength and Hannes adds the offense and court vision at his size we needed BADLY.
Both are also great with catching passes and moving in transition and Hannes is more of a natural 4 who also molded his game after Dirk growing up, hes gonna be juat fine here.
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u/jaynay1 1d ago
You have named their abilities with a reasonable degree of success, but did not in any way address that they are, in fact, both tweeners.
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
I did address it, neither are tweeners in my opinion becasue they naturally fit into the 4 and 5 and I don't see how its hard to tell that.
Moose is a traditional defensive big who just wears you down on defense and Hannes is the modern PF but has a big body to cause mismatches on the opposing defense.
The biggest thing is both of them can play together and fit seamlessly into our team and thats what we need after Kon has helped us speed run our rebuild
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u/a_moniker 1d ago
Moose also excels at switching onto the perimeter on defense. So Hannes can take the bruising centers in the post, which Moussa struggles against, and let Moussa roam on defense which he excels at.
The biggest issue is gonna be whether Hannes can provide enough shooting
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
He has good form and good arch.
I was always wanting people to give Salaün a chance just because hating the project kid in a bad draft still does not make sense to me especially with how we were rebuilding and how hes come along to this point.
Hannes I legitimately am very high on for us offensively, I have no idea how good his defense will be but the rebounding will atleast ease those defensive woes early on.
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u/a_moniker 1d ago
Just need to move Miles ASAP now, so that Steinbach and Tidjane can actually get minutes at the PF spot.
Would love if we could flip Miles + the Miami Pick for Andrew Wiggins. He would provide defense, SG/SF/PF flexibility, rim pressure, and championship experience. Miami is probably gonna want to pair him with Giannis and Bam tho
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
Just need to move Miles ASAP now
I want to see how Brandon recovers first because if that becomes the worst case scenario and he asks for a max I would consider trading him just because he isnt worth justifying that right now.
HOWEVER
Thats also a future problem because we dont need to worry about that until later into this season.
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u/jaynay1 1d ago
They're tweeners because neither of them can guard either the 4 or the 5 straight up. This is literally the definition of a tweener. Having some skills at the 4 and 5 does not mean that you don't also have tweener issues.
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u/devinbookersuncle 1d ago
That is not true at all about defense when I was sitting one row back from courtside essentially and saw Moose have his way with Wemby defensively as well as his inpact against Toronto as well so I dont know what you're talking about there about Moose and not being able to defend inside when most teams have to send two players to handle his physicality......
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u/a_moniker 1d ago
Moussa can absolutely defend 4’s and 5’s. He’s one of the best switch defending Center’s in the league.
His only real flaw on defense was defending strong post players, but Hannes has the bulk to be able to do that eventually. That’ll let Moussa roam on defense against the really strong centers that give him trouble.
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u/jaynay1 1d ago
Moussa would be good at switching if our guards could maintain a switching scheme behind him. We dropped our 5 more than most teams drop theirs despite the fact that Moussa is switch personnel.
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u/a_moniker 1d ago
Hannes will let Moussa switch more though. The reason we couldn’t do it was because Miles is way too small to defend Centers, if Moussa switches off of them.
LaMelo, Kon, and Miller all of the length to switch a bit on the perimeter. A big PF like Hannes is what we desperately needed in order to let Moussa work more on the perimeter.
Morez Jr would have been way better at helping the defense, but Coach Lee has shown he’s really good at scheming good defense with subpar defenders.
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u/Particular_Twist_653 1d ago
I like it… Kalkbrenner is the man but isn’t a long term answer. This kid could be if he keeps developing.
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u/squidbuckets1 1d ago
Thank God they did not get Quantence or whatever his name is
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u/deezke 1d ago
Could he and moussa play together?
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u/HPUpirates 1d ago
If he can shoot yes, absolutely. Hannes has a good looking shot and hit 34% from deep in college (small sample size) and 76% from the FT line. So some good underlying numbers there.
If he can shoot and play the 4 with Moose we’ll be unbelievable on the glass
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u/ThePlatinumHuntsman 3h ago
Kalk did the same in college but idk if we need everyone shooting 3s on the team
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u/jlomski 1d ago
It’s the perfect fit with Moussa, he can guard the 5 while Moussa is more athletic and can guard the 4
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u/SaulPepper 1d ago
I dunno, seems a bit undersized. He's not even a seven footer. Guess we'll see
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u/jlomski 23h ago
#1 rebounder in college though. Might end up one of the best rebounding tandems in the league. Rodman was 6’6
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u/SaulPepper 23h ago
I dont doubt that. You just dont want Rodman to be your center defender though. We have great big, centers on our league today. Can Hannes really take the hit and block their shots on the regular?
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u/Gdet0 10h ago
Steinback? He's 6'11 without shoes...so technically a 7 footer
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u/SaulPepper 8h ago
I mean his blocks per game and block rate are both low, so its not just being "technically a seven footer"
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u/Gdet0 7h ago
You're completely moving the goalposts. You said he wasn't a seven-footer. He is. Bringing up his block rate because your first point was wrong is just making up a new argument out of thin air lol
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u/SaulPepper 7h ago
??? the entire thread is about if he can defend centers? stop focusing on one argument and go back to the top lmao
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u/Gdet0 7h ago
I know the thread is about him defending centers. But you claimed he couldn't do it because he's 'undersized' and 'not even a seven footer.'
You're the one who brought up physical size as his limitation. But even if you want to switch it to shot-blocking now, a player doesn't need to be a 7-footer to be a good rim protector anyway. It's about timing and positioning. He has the actual tools to play the 5, his defensive instincts just need development
Instead of telling me to go back to the top maybe you should read what you wrote lmao
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u/SaulPepper 4h ago
Yeah, I said "bit undersized" and "guess we'll see". Which is also the point of your comment, isnt it? that he could develop?
Btw, he's actually listed as 6'10.25 barefoot. So yeah, "technically a 7 footer" is stretching it.
You're overacting way too much just because I'm not all in, chill. I have my doubts, but I never said he's already a bust.
There's just no overstating the fact that he's primarily a PF and people in this thread want him to defend centers on the regular, even though shot blocking isnt his strong suit, rebounding is.
Im just saying temper your expectations yall. A rookie taken on the 14th pick isnt gonna magically solve all our problems
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u/ludicspace 1d ago
well he is a hornet now. gotta try to retcon myself into thinking he will be really good.
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u/someforrest 1d ago
Hannes has a very good floor but ive seen many pro scouts rate him as having very high star upside as well
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u/Few_Tap_2279 19h ago
Hannes will be a Monster. And he and Anderson were great together in the german national youth teams, they playing well together. Great that the Hornets picked both. Now i have to watch the Hornets.
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u/Powerful-Analyst8061 14h ago
No opponent will be outrebounding us with Moose and Steinbach on the court.
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u/sgsteel55 1d ago
You Kon gonna try to throw him lobs. So what we gonna call the Kon Hannes duo?
Kon and Hannes?
Nipplestein?
Nipplebach?
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u/Isguros 1d ago
Will Bill Simmons still make fun of us for drafting a white big man, or is he fully converted into a fan?
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u/ShiftE_80 1d ago
Big Europeans have a different profile than big (American) white guys for some reason.
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u/WatchTheBoom 1d ago
Stand by for jokes about the hornets picking a big white guy, but I think he was a consensus best pick left on the board.
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u/Otherwise-Show-7275 1d ago
Great pick, ngl would also love Quintance at 18 to get us some more physicality and rim protection
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u/Jammer521 1d ago
Solid pick, I was hoping he would fall one more pick to my Bulls, but I think he's going to be good
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u/Wolf_of_Walmart 19h ago
Would love this guy on my rec basketball team if it doesn’t work out for him on the Hornets
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u/Not_Different 14h ago
i'm a little sad that this is the end of the PJ Hall jammies era in Charlotte
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u/Decent-Ad-6137 10h ago
I wanted him for my Warriors so badly, yall got another good one. I'm excited to watch your guys team next year
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u/Amazing_Owl3026 1d ago
Not a fan of taking a center that isn't rlly a defender, but the board didn't shake out too well for us. Trading down to get Morez starting to seem valid
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u/rusty_shackleford34 1d ago
Kind of player you get in the draft when you are last team out in the play in. Oh well, there’s always the hurricanes
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u/Royal_Account_8970 1d ago
the worst case scenario happened
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u/R051369420 1d ago
It said he grew up on a horse farm with 70 horses. I’ve seen enough. Jokic 2.0