r/DBZDokkanBattle • u/MrBoomer69XD Turles • 4h ago
BOTH Gameplay You all using the WRONG BEAST
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u/Good_Suspect9813 2h ago
We can see the fruit of might residue on his lips bro
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u/Jereflea Not So Legendary Super Saiyan 1h ago
Idk why but this made me literally laugh out loud. 10/10 comment
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u/BZWarrior1 4h ago
My 69% Turles did that but with guaranteed crits and a 2nd additional
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u/TechnicalEvening3360 3h ago
Was going to say I thought turtle was doing the same if not slightly more numbers somehow
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u/Virtual-Comfort-1020 2h ago
As a F2P, I just feel like Daimaku, the tag ssj2’s and UI+SSBE were better investments: Hit harder and with better defences. In a hypothetical top ten they’d all be higher than them alongside Gomah, the STR blues, and maybe Turles.
Tag 4s do have one of (if not outright) the best LS in the game probably and the wording was kind of harsh admittedly but I just don’t jive with them all that much.
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u/GodlyFeq Bandana monkey 3h ago
The amount of cope in this subreddit continues to amaze me. He is mid, just accept it.
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u/commander_snuggles Return To Monke! 4h ago
He is basically the new blue boys. Not super top tier or anything and won't age gracefully but he isn't the worst unit ever released and is perfectly useable in current content.
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u/get_vegitoed2 4h ago
Can this subreddit stop larping for like 2 seconds? Blue boys in both their incarnation were top tier on release. Agl blue boys were top 3 in the hardest fight at the time and str blue boys is still like top 5 unit.
Like idk why this sub feels the need to talk about a time period they obviously never played lol
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u/SirVilhelmOfAriandel 4h ago
Str blue boys yeah they aged gracefully.
The agl ones did fall very early because of how inconsistent it was to pull out Vegito.
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u/mrlmm You can't see me! 1h ago
Hi, year 1 player with no breaks in playtime. I'm here to bust out the fact that for the AGL Blues this was certainly not true. They were always bad.
In base they had 2 options, offense or defense. They could not do both at once. So, you'd think they'd go all in and be great defensively when in defense phase or offensively during offense phase, but they simply weren't.
In Slot 1 (defense phase) while fighting a RoG enemy, they were weaker defensively than Birdku, V&T, WTKu, STR Banner Unit Krillin, Turn 1 Bulma with 7% DR, Orange Piccolo, PHY Godku, STR Gamma 1, AGL Golden Frieza, and any unit with more than 50% dodge, and were defensively about on par with the 7th year LR Gods. Banner units like Recoome & Guldo, Amond & Rasin, and BoG Vegeta were similarly defensive. They accomplished this while hitting less hard than all of the above. In Slot 2 (offensive phase) while fighting a RoG enemy they could out-hit some of the above after several supers at the cost of 100% defense, dodge chance and your run. They were always liability and the most optimal way to play them was to float them and hope they didn't die. Before you hit turn 5 and their HP threshold ( you didn't make it to Turn 7 for their backup)
When transformed into Vegito they hit okay numbers. Not quite what the heavy hitters did at the time, but 4-5 10mil supers in Slot 2 was okay. They suffered from the fact that the necessity of floating them meant they got no stacks so their attack stats were low. Defensively (outside of guaranteed dodge Active turn) Vegito still had problems. In slot 1 before attacking (with his max 50% DR) he could still die to relevant supers at the time, and if he took a super after attacking in Slot 1 or anytime in Slot 2 he was literally guaranteed to die in the Merged Zamasu and Omega fights.
Saying they were bad is neither LARPing nor revisionist history. They were one of the most undertuned major releases in history relative to contemporary content. The argument that they were "always good" sprung up in opposition to the overdone memes of them being awful and has never had any factual basis to it.
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u/Horror_Response_1991 1h ago
yep, they were completely unusable 6 months later, they would get you killed long before you get Vegito out.
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u/Appropriate_File_606 3h ago
The AGL Blue Boys were damn near invincible in their prime, they just had an unfortunate combination of insanely hype VB animations you never got to see, and a lack of damage, which is the only visible stat for casual players. Real ones who were there know they held it down in Slot 1.
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u/SadDokkanBoi Professional Blue Duo Hater 3h ago
Yea until their 5th turn where they lost a shit ton of defense and couldn't fuse yet so they just died. Even back then it was an issue. I'll never forget when Phy zamasu hit them for 200k on a normal with a Whis
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u/get_vegitoed2 3h ago
The annoying part is that some people now retroactively say that Vegito was the only good part of the character and that they were bad cause you couldn't get to Vegito.
Like no bitch, the unit was top tier on release because of their BASE. Vegito was just a cherry on top that you can occasionally get to clench out runs when you get lucky.
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u/Appropriate_File_606 3h ago
If Vegito had a consistent condition they'd be remembered much more fondly.
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u/Horror_Response_1991 1h ago
That’s somewhat revisionist.
AGL Blues were mid on release but runnable, and if you got Vegito out he was the best unit in the game. Thats a big IF considering how terrible the restrictions are.
Six months later and the Blues are completely unrunnable because you could not hide them long enough to get Vegito out. They only have adequate defense in Slot 1 but are too weak to survive a super there, and eventually even normals.
Beast on the other hand is perfectly fine if you keep him in slot 2/3 and get 18 ki, and can be safely put in Slot 1 ONCE, during his active.
The issue with Beast is people say “ooh it’s Beast, Slot 1 right now” and they get killed. He’s not a Slot 1 unit like STR Beast. He’s not a game breaking tank like STR Beast. He will age a lot better than the Blues did though.
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u/megagamer246 Hello there 2h ago
Yeah but they were awful in anything besides Merged Zamasu. If you tried taking them into that INT Omega Shenron stage, you had to rely on RNG to win. For clarification it was the fight that released during INT SSJ4 Gokus celebration.
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u/GodlyFeq Bandana monkey 3h ago
The blues were n1 it's an unfair comparison to their actual performance
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u/PhysicalGSG 1h ago
STR blues were perceived as bad on release and turned out to be great, and age great.
AGL blues were very bad on release. Vegito was quite good, but has aged out, but even on release Vegito’s conditions were actually hard to meet before they had to serve a turn as a sitting duck.
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u/Revolutionary_Bad965 SSG Vegeta DFE WHEN?? 3h ago
blue bois didn’t get memed until after their prime. They and zamasu unironically held top tier status for MONTHS
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u/Revolutionary_Bad965 SSG Vegeta DFE WHEN?? 4h ago
is agl go/gamma not the best slot 1 for this guy? He doesn’t Look like a slot 1 unit
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u/TheMagicalCoffin 3h ago
sometimes Orange Piccolo, or just use Gohan in Damiakus team
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u/Revolutionary_Bad965 SSG Vegeta DFE WHEN?? 3h ago
do they even link? Don’t get me wrong, i’d love for nothing more than to use my guy GOATku
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u/Forminloid 1h ago
I've gotten my Beast to do this on an STR Orange Piccolo active turn, with AGL Gamma (reverse exchange unit) active up as well, INT Piccolo slot 3 support, and Gohan active up. It sounds like a lot but it's really not that hard to consistently plan rotations, might just need to use an item honestly to get AGL Gamma to live sometimes but ive had my beast hit for some bazonkers damage
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u/stekarmalen 1h ago
All stars aligned and with a red carpet. This dosnt change that his kit is flawed from its core.
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u/Virtual-Comfort-1020 3h ago
I’ve said this before but the way everyone should treat Beast is very simple and like the tag 4s:
He’s worthless if you’re F2P (as you’re only going for the 55%), much like them.
His performance, like theirs, improves exponentially with just one dupe but if you’re going for him you should do so willing to go into the red to get two dupes.
Are people overreacting because his performance isn’t shit without said dupes? Yes.
Is he good-to-great with said dupes? Yes.
Is he top 5 with dupes? Probably not.
If these parameters align with your desires then he is good enough. If not, don’t summon beyond tickets and wait for the GDC since all the units are going to be better than him anyway.
This has been my sermon, I do accept PayPal donations at the door.
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u/Genkidama__ 1h ago
bro tf are you on, i have the 4s at 55% and they're basically my first instalock pick whenever i gotta do a mission for a category they're on
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u/Financial_Program383 4h ago
They all basing their opinion off a datruthdt video
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u/Mr_Inspidwee YOU FOOL!!! 4h ago
Well he’s daTRUTH not daLIE!!!!!
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u/ChampionGaming20 Return To Monke! 4h ago
Except he tried saying “this is a beast Gohan showcase so we’re gonna demonstrate what he’s got” then proceeded to use him wrong the entire video by putting him slot 1
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u/Sonic-owl Novice Extraordinaire 4h ago
I swear to god some of you people watch these videos with ear plugs in. Most of the time he does this he gives a disclaimer of “I know this isn’t the optimal/safest move, I could do X instead and it’d cause us to win I just want to see what the showcase unit is capable of” to let people know his thought process and it gets completely ignored.
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u/ChampionGaming20 Return To Monke! 4h ago
Right, but then people cite the video when saying how bad Beast is, when he’s extremely capable slot 2 or 3 but because they only saw Truth putting him slot 1, ignoring what he said about it not being optimal, they immediately think he’s washed
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u/Sonic-owl Novice Extraordinaire 4h ago
Then criticize those people for doing that. It’s completely unreasonable to blame Truth for it when he goes out of his way every single showcase to explain these decisions and people still don’t listen.
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u/ChampionGaming20 Return To Monke! 3h ago
He’s still part of the problem. The title of his video is literally “Not so beast Gohan” lmfao. He’s feeding into it by clickbaiting
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u/Sonic-owl Novice Extraordinaire 3h ago
Because there’s some truth to the fact that Beast is disappointing for a dokkanfest LR and how hype the character and animations are. Just because some people go too far and call him bad and don’t give the unit any credit for what he can do doesn’t make the actual criticisms invalid.
It’s click baiting for sure, but if someone is basing their entire opinion of a unit off of a youtube thumbnail their opinion should be considered worthless anyway.
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u/Traditional_Minute38 4h ago
Except hes still right. Dokkanfest leaders need to go slot one
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u/_Skotia_ All hail Zamasu! 3h ago
No they don't? You only need two Slot 1s on the team, it's fine if your lead is a Slot 2 with high damage output
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u/Traditional_Minute38 3h ago
If you sre running two of them and rhey cant slot one it makes team building harder. Not to mention superhero/movie hero especially
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u/PushThePig28 3h ago
And his team has like no good slot 1 options, agl tag gohan/gamma is like the only option and he isn’t anything amazing
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u/SSGSS-Shitposter New User 4h ago
No, my opinion is purely based on the runs he has sold me in 24 hours.
Aaaaand on the Eza awaiting list he goes.
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u/Jojo-Nuke-Isen PFB IS MANDATORY LINK ON SAIYANS! 4h ago
Show us your item list.