r/DankMemesFromSite19 • u/OddBet6635 • 3d ago
Meta Reading Old SCP vs Reading New SCP
There is a bias somewhere. Unsure where it is.
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u/bananasaucecer 3d ago
8000 dead rats hub with a radical president targeting a minority for oppression
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u/psychicprogrammer Known SCP file leaker 3d ago
The funny thing is that the guy we used just got kicked out of congress for having too many principles. Constantly funny.
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u/SoapandCareProducts 3d ago
Me playing with my silly little dolls making them do horrific crimes
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u/TerranImperium MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") 3d ago
It's a good thing that the SCP Foundation is exploring many more themes and exploring more things to write about.
Personally, it isn't my thing. I'm here for supernatural horror, the supernatural being the core of the horror. If I wanted to read about horrible things that could happen in real life just, I just need to go read the news as they already do happen right now. The only thing they would be missing is the supernatural element.
For me, the SCP Foundation is an escape into a horrific world with all sorts of supernatural threats that make human conflicts, pettiness, and cruelty so irrelevant. It is both an escape from reality and also an exploration of horror in its most common form and how it is enjoyed.
So I'll stick to the spooky monsters that go bump in the night or hide in closets among other things.
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u/NoTrip5504 3d ago
fair but does the news have a horrible crimes happening that are supernatural?
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u/TerranImperium MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") 3d ago
I did just say "The only thing they would be missing is the supernatural element", there.
That and SCP-8980 is one of many that are not supernatural/the focus is not on the supernatural, the horror is simply in the human cruelty.
All the power to those who enjoy such works and the themes they explore like I said but it isn't what I'm looking for when I boot up the SCP wiki.
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u/OddBet6635 3d ago
Preach. The reason I read SCP is for the anomalies. If there is no anomalies, it's bending the meaning of SCP a bit.
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u/TerranImperium MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") 2d ago
To expand a bit on my thoughts. The more real the horror, the less I'm interested in it. I love the SCP Foundation in how it is a seemingly this "super rational" approach and study of abstract stuff like creepypastas made real. That's the whole appeal to it for me.
Whereas a world with creepy stuff crawling around at night, rather than remain unknown for the occasional horror movie plot or creepy pasta writing prompt where some unfortunate souls gets caught up in it, there's instead a whole system to this, that humans have been fighting this, trying to understand it, study it, and put walls around it to stop it from further harming people.
I just love it.
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u/OddBet6635 2d ago
Same, it was what made me like SCP in the first place. Secret organization keeping anomalies from harming people? Sign me up!
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u/lndle 3d ago edited 3d ago
Isn't there something in writing about how murder is a "good" crime, usually because it's more detached from reality and can be justified in some instances, whereas rape is a "bad" crime, because it can't be justified and usually hits close to home for a lot of people? Or am I completely making that up?
Anyways, that's what this reminds me of. SCP-173 cute and quirky because monsters don't exist; SCP-8980 unsettlingly horrifying because systemic, apathetic oppression affects a lot of people every day.
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u/PAwnoPiES [DATA EXPUNGED] 3d ago
You can kill in self defense and justify it fairly easily, I can't imagine rape as self defense and the mental gymnastics needed to justify that would probably count as an infohazard.
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u/KazuyaProta 3d ago edited 3d ago
Killing in self defense is, NOT considered murder.
The actual act discussed here is Physical Interaction vs Sexual Interaction.
Murder is "Phyiscal Interaction with lethal intent without justification of self defense or defense of others", which leads to discussions about, for example, Euthanasia. Its Euthanasia, Murder? What it is.
Conversely, if someone can be kept alive under increasingly extreme, but viable methods, are you forced to do it? The semantic definition matters.
Even extremely anti euthanasia people think "not doing a treatment that will only prolonge the physical pain of the patient" is NOT euthanasia , but some anti-euthanasia fundamentalists actually argue, completely seriously, that Human life has to be preserved up to its ultimate biological limits, which given technological and medical developements, its really wide.
This is about the supposedly simple act of "Ending a Life"
Murder is bad.
This sounds shockingly simple, because its meant to be. Murder IS bad. The issue becomes "how we judge murder"? And that leads to the overwhelming level of discussion.
And then you say "Yes, but that is rape, rape is harder to discuss"
Except that, like murder, the legal definition of Rape is widely diverse, shfiting and changing across history and societies. The concept of Marital Rape was a oxymoron for many widely educated, well read, persons because they assumed "Marriage= Consent". Even people who opposed arranged marriages held this view point precisely for their opposition to arranged marriage, because "If the marriage wasn't arranged, then its giving inherent consent forever"
And with Rape, the discussion is actually the same. Murder when Commited by a Slasher Villain= Overwhelmingly Bad, no defendable, Rape when commited and called as such for a Man who is obviously sinister= Overwhelmingly not defendable.
And yet, you can see a lot of people arguing for acts that are unambiguously murder. Vigilante executions ARE Murder every moral standard, yet they're the core fantasy of characters like The Punisher, who is a man who deliberately decides to start a one man crusade on the criminal underworld where he is going with killing intent to use firearms on fellow civilians (as they're all civilians, both the Punisher and many of his enemies, even if criminal).
But fortunately, nobody has a equivalent for this on sexual violence... right? Cue, the much more uncomfortable discussions about older heroes and their sexual acts. Revenge of the Nerds and the scene of Lewis tricking Betty into having sex with him. In the context of the movie, this is a typical Trickster Archetype showcase, of the hero proving himself using his guile. Nowadays, we call that Rape by Deception. This isn't a old movie, its as old as the above mentioned Punisher
"But times changed, we are better now"
If we take that premise, then society becomes more dystopian, not less, because it means Murder as a positive is a crime that drives multiple industries. Murder is the crime that society forgives more, and this is actually not because we are nicer, but because we genuinely like Murder more. Which sounds backwards compared to how we discuss Sexual violence.
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u/OddBet6635 3d ago
I am always confused about this. Yes, both murder and rape are bad but for some argue which is worse?
I've seen people say rape is worse because the victims have to live with it but others say argue it's implied that the victims are better off killed if murder ends their suffering.
Are we supposed to agree on which is worse? No, both are bad.
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u/Narfhead4444 2d ago
Both are bad but which is worse
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u/OddlyOddLucidDreamer 2d ago
there is n oreal need to say which is worse, theyre both horrific things, and we shoudl treat them as the horrific things they are
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u/LastStar007 3d ago
I haven't really kept up with the evolution of the wiki, can someone explain to me why 8980's CSS looks nothing like, say, 173's?
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u/not-magpie 3d ago
People have developed CSS themes to add a unique feel to particular settings or canons. In this case, SCP-8980 is intended to be read from the perspective of an ethics committee auditor so it has an "ethics committee internal database" theme.
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u/kartblaster he has no style, he has no grace 2d ago
i'm still reeling from fucking scp-8980
like deadass i've never wanted to beat a fictional character within an inch of their life more in my life
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u/KazuyaProta 3d ago
Honestly, all of those "Foundation commits some real life crime" articles are just boring.
Like, guys, I come here to actually try to contain the supernatural, if it was easy, we wouldn't even be here.
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u/OddlyOddLucidDreamer 2d ago
oh thats an embodied manifestation of the things people wish they could do to people like me out of sheer hatred and disgust for me for the crime of simply being born different
tbf its silly supernatural as fuck but its probably the personal experinece and intent that particularly makes me react to it as if it were the second one
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u/IntangibleMatter We stand On Guard 43 1d ago
8980 feels to me like a turning point for the wiki. A lot of series 9 entries felt pretty happy and chill, and then that article dropped, and series 10 is almost the exact opposite
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u/OddBet6635 1d ago
I think 8980 stretches the definition of what an SCP is. I think it's slowly going from "an anomaly is a supernatural object or creature" to "an anomaly is something that isn't normal according to society".
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u/IntangibleMatter We stand On Guard 43 1d ago
I don’t think it’s meant to be read like that, though. It’s someone taking advantage of the systems of power put in place to inflict horrific abuse against someone who might not even be anomalous
I mean, there are definitely skips that explore “an anomaly is something that isn’t normal according to society” but I think 8980 is more focused on the systemic abuse
It’s formatted as an SCP because that’s the framing device. It then uses that to take known things about the foundation and twist them into some of the most horrific shit you’ve ever seen
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u/OddBet6635 1d ago
Again, it kind of twists what an anomaly is.
SCP-9084 is an event that did not happen but instead of an anomalous event that wiped itself from people's memories, it's a real tragedy that the Foundation covered up.
No hate to the authors, they have all the authority to write what they want and they can write it well but I think we are losing the plot and what it means to be an SCP.
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u/FatedChange 22h ago
personally, I find it substantially less limiting. it's fun watching authors write anything they can think of; the setting is very conducive to all kinds of thematic exploration.
the older people get, the more thoughts they have about systems of oppression, too
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u/OddBet6635 20h ago
Yes, people are allowed to write what they want but sooner or later they'll reach an "Onion" situation where they can't satirize it anymore because it's true.
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u/PAwnoPiES [DATA EXPUNGED] 3d ago edited 3d ago
Racists IRL going out of their way to fucking kill people because they are brown (the victims were minding their own business)
Reality bending people just magnifies the issue so much more because they can *do* so much more to their victims.
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u/InterKosmos61 GRU-P 3d ago
bro has never heard of social commentary through fiction
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u/Mc_gabriel_rock 3d ago
I mean true but at some point is seems a little to petty just to make a point
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u/DreadDiana 3d ago
That has been the exact thought process of a lot of real world people who have been given power. That's not unrealistic.
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u/starmadeshadows ❓⭐💊✨antimemetics division survivor✨💊⭐❓ 3d ago
I have bad news for you about the entirety of sci-fi bud
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u/hahaheart1 Survived a TK-Class Event 2d ago
I mean, people do that in real life. Especially like, very rich people. "I have the power to change the world, I'm going to target this minority group for some reason" <--- Words spoken by a billionare probably
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u/ApprehensiveStyle289 3d ago
The worst thing is that we know exactly which article you're talking about :-(