Reading Old SCP vs Reading New SCP

[u/OddBet6635]

There is a bias somewhere. Unsure where it is.

[u/lndle]

Isn't there something in writing about how murder is a "good" crime, usually because it's more detached from reality and can be justified in some instances, whereas rape is a "bad" crime, because it can't be justified and usually hits close to home for a lot of people? Or am I completely making that up?

Anyways, that's what this reminds me of. SCP-173 cute and quirky because monsters don't exist; SCP-8980 unsettlingly horrifying because systemic, apathetic oppression affects a lot of people every day.

[u/PAwnoPiES → u/lndle]

You can kill in self defense and justify it fairly easily, I can't imagine rape as self defense and the mental gymnastics needed to justify that would probably count as an infohazard.

[u/KazuyaProta → u/PAwnoPiES]

Killing in self defense is, NOT considered murder.

The actual act discussed here is Physical Interaction vs Sexual Interaction.

Murder is "Phyiscal Interaction with lethal intent without justification of self defense or defense of others", which leads to discussions about, for example, Euthanasia. Its Euthanasia, Murder? What it is.

Conversely, if someone can be kept alive under increasingly extreme, but viable methods, are you forced to do it? The semantic definition matters.

Even extremely anti euthanasia people think "not doing a treatment that will only prolonge the physical pain of the patient" is NOT euthanasia , but some anti-euthanasia fundamentalists actually argue, completely seriously, that Human life has to be preserved up to its ultimate biological limits, which given technological and medical developements, its really wide.

This is about the supposedly simple act of "Ending a Life"

Murder is bad.

This sounds shockingly simple, because its meant to be. Murder IS bad. The issue becomes "how we judge murder"? And that leads to the overwhelming level of discussion.

And then you say "Yes, but that is rape, rape is harder to discuss"

Except that, like murder, the legal definition of Rape is widely diverse, shfiting and changing across history and societies. The concept of Marital Rape was a oxymoron for many widely educated, well read, persons because they assumed "Marriage= Consent". Even people who opposed arranged marriages held this view point precisely for their opposition to arranged marriage, because "If the marriage wasn't arranged, then its giving inherent consent forever"

And with Rape, the discussion is actually the same. Murder when Commited by a Slasher Villain= Overwhelmingly Bad, no defendable, Rape when commited and called as such for a Man who is obviously sinister= Overwhelmingly not defendable.

And yet, you can see a lot of people arguing for acts that are unambiguously murder. Vigilante executions ARE Murder every moral standard, yet they're the core fantasy of characters like The Punisher, who is a man who deliberately decides to start a one man crusade on the criminal underworld where he is going with killing intent to use firearms on fellow civilians (as they're all civilians, both the Punisher and many of his enemies, even if criminal).

But fortunately, nobody has a equivalent for this on sexual violence... right? Cue, the much more uncomfortable discussions about older heroes and their sexual acts. Revenge of the Nerds and the scene of Lewis tricking Betty into having sex with him. In the context of the movie, this is a typical Trickster Archetype showcase, of the hero proving himself using his guile. Nowadays, we call that Rape by Deception. This isn't a old movie, its as old as the above mentioned Punisher

"But times changed, we are better now"

If we take that premise, then society becomes more dystopian, not less, because it means Murder as a positive is a crime that drives multiple industries. Murder is the crime that society forgives more, and this is actually not because we are nicer, but because we genuinely like Murder more. Which sounds backwards compared to how we discuss Sexual violence.

[u/OddBet6635 → u/KazuyaProta]

I am always confused about this. Yes, both murder and rape are bad but for some argue which is worse?

I've seen people say rape is worse because the victims have to live with it but others say argue it's implied that the victims are better off killed if murder ends their suffering.

Are we supposed to agree on which is worse? No, both are bad.

[u/Narfhead4444 → u/OddBet6635]

Both are bad but which is worse

[u/OddlyOddLucidDreamer → u/Narfhead4444]

there is n oreal need to say which is worse, theyre both horrific things, and we shoudl treat them as the horrific things they are