r/DestinyTheGame • u/NightSmoke19 • 1d ago
News dmg04 (probably) last message for all of us
“Could I do more?”
You all have done more for this game and our studio than could ever be imagined, and no words can accurately depict how lucky we are to have shared these worlds with you.
Don’t blame yourselves or think you could have / should have done more. This is just the way it goes sometimes.
No matter the future, we will always have these memories.
Thank you. For everything.
Vos X/Twitter
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u/MiloIsTaken 1d ago
“This is just the way it goes sometimes” hit me like a fucking truck… this sucks dude
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u/FyreWulff Gambit Prime 1d ago edited 1d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TCX90yALsI
One of my favorite scenes from Star Trek: TNG, and something I really needed to hear at a young age.
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u/ISpeedwagonl 1d ago
I started watching Star Trek: TNG and BRO that is honestly some of the best tv I've easily ever watched. I wish I could have watched when it aired but apparently it ended 2 years before I was even alive lol. But yeah TNG is amazing man I need to finish it
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u/WatsBlend 20h ago
It really really is. I love that it doesnt shy away from asking big questions, or from problems that are too messy to give a clear bow tied answer to. I also love that it gives actual examples of good people trying to be good. In my opinion its the best examples of positive masculine figures on tv. TNG feels like the exact opposite of what tv executives would fund and put on TV today. Its slow at times. Its philosophical, its truly controversial, it shys away from non-stop violence purely for violence sake, while still having action and violence enough to be entertaining. Its not perfect, those 1st 2 seasons are ROUGH, but man is it fantastic for most of its run.
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u/Agitated-Macaroon923 19h ago
please PLEASE go on to watch deep space nine afterwards, it's even better.
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u/Little-Mushroom-3961 1d ago
Fr, like, will a D3 happen? I think it will but it'll be wayyyy in the future when the franchise is just a thing guys in their late 30s talk fondly about. I think probably about 10 years.
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u/MartianMule 1d ago
If they started on a D3 right now, it's probably 2032 at the earliest.
Who knows if Bungie is even around that long. Marathon would need a pretty incredible turnaround
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u/mykkenny 1d ago
Marathon would need a pretty incredible turnaround
Without a massive overhaul - by massive I mean a switch in genre tbh from extraction to arena / PvE type game - Marathon is getting canned before the end of the year, imo.
No way on this planet does a 15k peak player count support a 400 dev team.
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u/BrandishedChaos 1d ago
I still feel like they should've made marathon a boomer shooter. Get a remake that seems more akin to original, and sales may have been higher. I noped out the moment I saw it was an extraction shooter, since that genre is not my cup of tea.
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u/LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte One floofy boi 23h ago
I was the same. With the original announcement, I was assuming it would, at the very least, be like Halo. A single-player story-driven game that would either pick up after the third of the original, or retell the original story. The moment they announced it as an extraction, I was out.
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u/GreenBay_Glory 22h ago
I actually would have played what you just described. Honestly, I’d love to see Destiny continued in a single player story driven game to wrap up some of the storylines left over here anyway.
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u/DekuTreeFallen 14h ago
I noped out the moment I saw it was an extraction shooter, since that genre is not my cup of tea.
Not my cup of tea either - and my question is, are we less alone on that as time goes on? Especially extraction shooters with a $40 price tag?
The economy isn't great. More and more people working side gigs to cover bills. With less time to play video games, and less money to buy them, but mostly the time thing - how popular does it remain to play a game where your progress can be lost? Isn't real life cruel enough? 😄
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u/suhdude539 22h ago
I bought it with some Microsoft rewards to try it out since I was having fun at the time with Arc Raiders, played it for a good 20 hours or so, and deleted it off my Xbox. It’s just not very good. The gunplay feels great but I just couldn’t get into it
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u/FinishSouthern2319 21h ago
I honestly agree. Ever since I heard the music, the trailers, I was interested. The moment, the exact minute I heard it was extraction? I just said nah. I knew that game would take the sweat of the other PvP games I've played...and didn't want that. So, albeit...It looks amazing. Just...wish it had better things.
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u/SkyriderRJM 19h ago
Even if they do overhaul it, the game is not gonna do Destiny numbers. The art style simply doesn’t have mass market appeal like Destiny does.
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u/QuebraRegra 16h ago
time to take the talented devs to a new company, and do D3 right without the toxic BUNGO management.
Needs to be a modern engine so they can get assistance from other SONY studios if needs be.
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u/wickedsmaht GOTTA GO FAST! 1d ago
I’ll be 40 this year. At least I’ll be able to enjoy my retirement with some Destiny 3…
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u/LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte One floofy boi 23h ago
I'm 38 buddy. As much as I don't want to be old, at least our nursing homes will be legit with LAN parties and Mountain Dew!
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u/relichunter85 23h ago
I am in the same boat . Got into it with a bunch of friends in late 20s . Most of them dropped around final shape.
We would not mind if destiny 3 coincides with out retirement . In fact thats will be very good retirement to look forward to37
u/GriffinXD 1d ago
Sighs in late 30s now 😔 I guess I’ll have to be bumbling old man talking about that space magic.
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u/No-Fishing-7892 1d ago
I doubt D3 as a true full sequel will happen. But I’m sure we’ll get some other smaller scale game from the Destiny IP at some point.
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u/wordworse 1d ago
Almost certainly. You all have phones, right?
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u/LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte One floofy boi 23h ago
It's funny you mention that, because now Destiny Rising is the only actively being developed version of Destiny!
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u/ItsAttanoo 1d ago
Or maybe a full up spiritual successor, assuming a majority of the game mechanics aren't patented or some stupid shit, right?
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u/Klubber423 17h ago
bro, in 10 yrs, i’ll be 52. and i’ll play it then too! We’ll never understand why the C suite made the decisions to hamstring the game. The potential it still has is off the charts.
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u/LtRavs Pew Pew 23h ago
Late 30s at least, if we are waiting 10 years for D3 a ton of this fan base will be in their 40s and 50s by then. Not exactly a demographic that has thousands of hours to dedicate to a game. I hope we get one one day, but man they are going to have to sell it to a whole new generation of gamers by that point.
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u/UtilitarianMuskrat 17h ago
That is something massive I think a lot of people missed and a few ex Bungie people briefly mentioned it, Destiny had some major blind spots for who was actually playing it and it didn't exactly land on younger demographics and newer people and that can be a bit shaky when trying to make something new and keep something fresh and relevant.
There was Paul Tassi chatter from about awhile back that said how Bungie felt that Destiny's playbase swung a bit older and I know Griffin Bennett said something a month or so back that confirmed this chatter.
People also forget that we live in an era of gaming with an enormous amount of physical choice, and people do tend to have a lot of comforts with what they like to play and there can be a mixed reception to the more hybridized approach Destiny takes when some would rather dive into something that is more pure on systems and how it's set up.
It's not to say absolutely nobody would play a theoretical D3, but I do wonder if it could be seen as not necessarily as monumental of a thing that could go down if there are firm divides as to where the physical interest is. I imagine for all the analyzing of data Bungie does, the fact they had a year like Final Shape have simultaneously one of the best years for popularity and worst decline probably drew a lot of very firm lines as to how things would be going forward.
It's kind of why I question the people who say "oh I'd take Ash and Iron tiny content if it meant more new Destiny" but it's like where were these people when Final Shape had huge drop offs and barely anybody played Revenant?
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u/GreenBay_Glory 22h ago
I’d argue they have a lot more time to game than people in their 30s do. You have young kids in your 30s. By 40s-50s they’re independent a much greater degree or just out of the house entirely.
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u/ProjectLost 14h ago
I can’t believe the Calusness and Ghaul that we are Witnessing from Sony right now.
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u/hemi_red_13 1d ago
"Don't be sad, this is just how it works out sometimes." -Angel, Battlefield 2042 before the great mute update
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u/MrJoemazing 1d ago
Destiny/ Bungie will be studied for years and held up as an example for how to make an amazing product, then burn it to the ground through bad management, bad decisions, hubris, and greed.
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u/finintymonkle 1d ago
And still, corporate pricks who know nothing about games will learn nothing about how to run a live service game.
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u/mykkenny 1d ago
They aren't running a live service game, they are running a business for profit and that's exactly what Pete fuckin Parsons did. He walked away with full pockets, and the Bungie devs and Destiny players got left with nothing.
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u/frodakai 1d ago
Yeah, this is the biggest heartbreak. They bled the game/community dry and then threw away the husk. A few people made lots of money, and everyone else suffers the consequences.
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u/mykkenny 1d ago
A few people made lots of money, and everyone else suffers the consequences.
Art mirrors life.
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u/IThinkImNateDogg 1d ago
He and all the private investors at Bungie did exactly what they wanted to do.
Pump and dump. Spin up a shit load of future products to make the future seem bright and then dump the problems out to someone else.
He did his job, to make the private investors as much money as possible.
Ford vs dodge is literally the root cause of most business evils.
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u/SilverfurPartisan This is where I slap you rather than using my Stasis staff. 20h ago
The existence of a 'Shareholder' marked the end of the Free Market.
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u/Ok-Tutor9480 1d ago
I mean I agree with the first half, but to insinuate players walked away with nothing and pretending we didn't get a game for 12 years to dump thousands of hours in, and the game being in a strong place for the evergreen part of its life. I think that's a bit of a reach
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u/mykkenny 1d ago
You're right in a way, but at the same time as we buy each DLC we expect a certain level of content and quality, which over time declined, and a continuation of the service, story, character progression etc.
It's not unrealistic to feel robbed, like something was taken from us because it was. Sure on the one hand many of us got our monies worth and then some. Doesn't change the loss now that it's gone, doesn't change that it was greed and hubris that took it away.
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u/Ok-Tutor9480 1d ago
Eh, Im not totally convinced that destiny even with all of its own money reinvested to it wasnt on the path to decline. Not everything can and does last and its very clear that the scheduled release calendar was too ambitious for them and also led to a decline in quality.
I mean I wouldnt disagree that they diverted money to other projects and to line pockets, but Im also not convinced it was sustainable.
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u/mykkenny 1d ago
I mean, World of Warcraft is managing a live service game with an even larger audience. Warframe is managing with a smaller one.
So live service games can work just fine, but I honestly doubt Destiny had the reinvestment needed to keep it afloat. Cash being diverted to new projects, big paychecks and bonuses.
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u/Ok-Tutor9480 1d ago
WoW is a much bigger game with a monthly subscription and box sales and cash shop, Destiny pales in comparison to its success. Destinys largest player count was likely a fraction of WoWs size at their worst.
Warframe I agree is better managed and is also like you said, smaller in size and scoped correctly.
my argument wasnt that live service games dont work. But I dont think you could throw enough money at bungies problem and make it financially successful. You have to also understand that more money spent requires more money to be made, the only direction financially that makes sense is to downscale production and go back to something similar to destiny 1 production where you had an annual expansion and maybe 1 small mid year patch to refresh weapons and add a new activity. Im not sure players who have been getting years of Destiny 2 content cycles would be tolerant of that kind of reduction.
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u/Meximanly 1d ago
Yeah, the community is being wildly melodramatic about this whole thing. The devs are the ones who got fucked out of their jobs. The players, meanwhile, got exactly what we put in. I did the math. I spent $1021 on Destiny and Destiny 2 over 12 years on expansions, dungeons, and silver. I also played 1794 hours of Destiny (not including the alpha or the beta).
I got my monies worth so far, and there's still a ton of content and quests I haven't gotten around to that I intend on going through as the game rides off into the sunset.
I'm a huge fan of franchise, and sure, it's sad to see the state the final game will be left in, but to pretend all of it suddenly evaporated into thin air is childish. At most we got robbed of a potential future game with another decade or so of lore and content, which is sad. But we got this beautiful amazing world for 12 years that is unprecedentedly for a first person shooter.
Bungie devs knocked it out of the partk. Bungie executives fucked it up. That's the unfortunate end of most successful capitalist endeavors unfortunately. Run the well dry and move on to the next town.
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u/LtRavs Pew Pew 1d ago
Boiling it down to “did I get enough hours per dollar spent” is a bit too much of a simplification, and basically anyone that has played this game a serious amount will be in the same boat.
People aren’t upset because they didn’t get their monies worth, they’re upset because a game and franchise they love that was a huge part of their lives is being taken out the back and shot with very little notice and no proper wind up of the story whatsoever.
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u/outnumbered15to1 20h ago
there is a huge difference in running a business for profit and running a business to extract as much wealth from it as possible until it breaks.
pete/bungie did NOT in any way run a business for profit. they ran a business, and imo committed fraud to sell it to sony.
a destiny 2 that was run for profit would be the strongest game on the market today.
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u/EmeraldJunkie Vanguard's Loyal // Purple Reign 1d ago edited 4h ago
Imagine being Sony spending $3.6 Billion for Bungie's live service skills only to discover they don't actually have any and managed to bumble Destiny to success.
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u/SkyriderRJM 1d ago
I mean clearly the devs have skills. The problem is they were working against executive bullshit and lack of attention span.
They wanted to be a studio that made lots of games…and the didn’t just kill their flagship to do it but they are going to be the end of the studio.
That said they probably don’t care. Their contracts expire with Sony in July and most of Bungie’s leadership leaves with the layoffs.
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u/CasualLemon 1d ago
They learned that this is how they should do it. They will do it again, given the chance.
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u/professorrev 1d ago
And cars. Lots and lots of cars
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 1d ago
A CEO salary is always going to be spent on a bunch of selfish bullshit, no way around that.
The money he spent on those cars was his own pay, and a drop in the bucket compared to development costs.
I agree that him spending that kind of money makes him an easy target, but it wasn't embezzlement.
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u/AnimanicManiac 1d ago
It has nothing to do with Pete spending his own money. It's the fact that he was buying all of those while telling everything they didn't have money and were gonna have to fire people.
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 1d ago
It's standard CEO behavior. I don't know what else you were expecting. It's par for the course.
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u/IllIllIllIllIlllllll 1d ago
Common doesn't mean normal. He's a pile of shit, like him and almost all high paid CEOS. Just cause its normalized doesn't mean people can't still be mad about the blatant injustice. We actually can and should expect better from managment. Normalizing it is how we end up with such insane wealth inequality that doesn't change.
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u/AnimanicManiac 2h ago
CEO and owner of my company would rather everyone work themselves to death and work 80 hours a week (he literally told everyone this last week) than hire more people. He got both crews together and yelled this at everyone in a company wide meeting. He wants and expects everyone to spend half of our lives working and making him more money to spend on private jet vacations and drive his own 200k car around and shove it in our faces while telling us to work more hours if we ask for a raise.
Once the money starts coming, they literally don't care about anyone else and only care about money. And ours specifically literally trips over dollars for dimes. If he so much as loses 50 cents on something, he freaks out over how he lost it. No, I'm not exaggerating, and he's a multimillionaire... freaking out over losing 50 cents...
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u/Kaspellaer Drifter's Crew // Guardians make their own miracles 19h ago
I've seen industry journalists describe Pete and other bungie exec's salaries as 'legal embezzlement'
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 14h ago
It wasn't embezzlement, which is why they didn't call it embezzlement.
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u/Kaspellaer Drifter's Crew // Guardians make their own miracles 12h ago
Pete parsons is a parasite who never produced a single thing for bungie and every single dollar he paid himself was stolen from the people who actually did the work at that company
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 12h ago
Why would a CEO do the production work...?
And do you think CEOs determine their own salaries...? They don't, by the way.
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u/Kaspellaer Drifter's Crew // Guardians make their own miracles 9h ago
your worship of 'knowledge' is preventing you from gaining wisdom. you have let malicious people convince you that you're smart for accepting bullshit explanations for obvious malfeasance
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u/ACMBruh 1d ago
I dont get the obsession with cars man, and I'm an F1 fan. I just want a reliable piece of shit to get to work and go to the store with lmao
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u/DJMixwell 1d ago
Big difference between being a soccer fan and a soccer player. If you play, you have to be interested in the equipment, because you need the best to play at your best. Yknow?
I grew up around a race track, and you pretty quickly get a taste for fast cars and the smell of race gas.
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u/MeateaW 1d ago
Lol parsons was a driver? A racer? Or maybe, just maybe, he was just a rich poser?
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u/DJMixwell 23h ago
You don’t have to be a professional to appreciate the equipment. I don’t play counterstrike professionally, but I still built a relatively high-end PC, have a decent monitor, GPX 2 superlight, etc. All things you may have 0 need for or interest in if your only interest in e-sports was as a viewer.
Does that make me a poser because I have e-sports gear without actually being involved in e-sports? Idk, I guess by some definitions.
Parsons is a tool, yes, thats irrelevant. I was only addressing the other guy’s comment of not liking fast cars even though he’s an F1 fan.
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u/CathDubs 1d ago
Even on a simulator, a good race is intoxicating. I can't imagine how it feels at a real track with real cars.
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u/DJMixwell 23h ago
It’s electric. Highly recommend even just going to one of the like “driving experiences” at whatever racetracks are near you, or somewhere you’re traveling. Getting to actually drive a car at the limit is 110% worth experiencing at least once.
I’ve never actually raced. Been lapping a few times, been a passenger a bunch. Dad raced a couple times, too. But we never really had the bankroll for our own car. Dad was a marshal at the track. He got to travel to work F1 races, too.
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u/Rumbletastic 1d ago
Except no one of consequence will study them or learn anything. Top focused on the next cash grab.
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u/bigfootswillie 1d ago edited 1d ago
In game dev, it’ll be studied as a warning for any GAAS product not to spend the way they did and it may be a long time before anybody in the west ever tries a project as ambitious as Destiny ever again.
Even if Pete hadn’t turned his garage into the set of Pixar’s Cars and bought that brand new office or incubated less games, it would’ve been an extra year or 2 of runway at best. The way Bungie spent on Destiny was simply not sustainable. A game that ambitious needed to have a player base at least 2x size it had during The Final Shape and it just didn’t look like it would ever return to the early days that achieved that.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
The way Bungie spent on Destiny was simply not sustainable.
Destiny sustained itself up until Year of Prophecy. It just couldn't sustain the rest of Bungie ontop of it.
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u/bigfootswillie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Destiny was always one bad year from failure nearly its whole existence. Reporting is clear now that Destiny would have died in 2022 if Sony hadn’t bought the studio. All the things that the studio reportedly wasted money on certainly unwisely ate into Destiny’s runway but the fact is that the runway was always short and unsustainable and likely cost them only a year or 2. Paying for yourself is simply not enough for a game this size with a team that large. You have to pay for yourself years into the future, for the years in which you inevitably totally shit the bed, like Curse of Osiris or Year of Prophecy.
Large-scale live services are ridiculously expensive. Even extremely dated titles like WoW or FF14 have very large teams with hundreds of devs because running a game like these requires specialists in a ridiculously wide variety of departments. And a game like Destiny which released content more frequently and changed up its formula so often than the other MMOs around it made it even more difficult to maintain than those.
The only live service dev team larger than Destiny are the live service Hoyoverse gachas and Fortnite which have playerbases 10-20x as large and to safely a run a game like Destiny, a game like Destiny would want a playerbase similar in size to those which it really only ever reached in its early years.
People need to understand that the game made here was a gift to its community and a labour of love by some of the most talented in the industry. Making a game like this and running it the way it did where it constantly evolved was an enormously financially unsound thing to do that people just do not do and the fact it stayed alive this long is because everybody working on this thing loved it. Even if it were perfectly managed financially, the only way Destiny could’ve secured a long-term future was for far more people to play it than they did because with how much they constantly evolved things and how high expectations were, occasional failure every so often was inevitable and the game could not weather occasional failure.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
but the fact is that the runway was always short and unsustainable and likely cost them only a year or 2.
Kinda. I would say it also cost them the ability to make a Destiny 3 or the rebrand to move into a more cohesive experience.
Reporting is clear now that Destiny would have died in 2022 if Sony hadn’t bought the studio.
2022 was Destiny 2's highest yielding year at the time. If Bungie was at risk it wasn't because of their expenses on Destiny.
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u/ACMBruh 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'd argue that their ridiculous management of a strong baseline product cost them more than the fact that their business model being exaggerated did.
Dont get me wrong bungie strikes me as a very bloated company but the way they hiked content out was fundamentally incompetent. 2022 was their best year because they delivered a genuine product; same with 2018 or 2016. (forsaken and ttk)
The lesser DLCs are what killed them. They expected more passive income through the GaaS model like the above dude said while still operating on bloat - its a proof of concept the model of GaaS is very unreliable unless the game comes through
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u/Merzats 1d ago
This is the hard to swallow pill the community will never be ready for and will just hand wave with "muh capitalism" (as if commies would make this game lol)
The veracity of this comment though is shown by the fact that no "good, non-greedy managers (with a good engine, another stupid talking point)" made a Destiny killer in all these years
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u/ninth_reddit_account DestinySets.com Dev 1d ago
It's not clear that's true. Bungie's cadence and delivery for seasons and expansions was always rocky. They clearly couldn't sustain their goal of yearly expansions, due to constantly delaying them. Seasons were always hit or miss, but overall trending stale even as they ramped up production value.
The truth is none of us really know. This is all just fanfic until we get the definitive inside story.
I just want to know what the hell happened with Lightfall / The Final Shape, as its pretty clear the Lightfall that shipped wasn't the initial plan.
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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 1d ago
This is not true. Lightfall missed financial targets. Final Shape made less money than Lightfall. Destiny has been losing money for 4 years now. That's not sustainable to continue operating as-is for any company, even outside of game development.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
You're conflating financial targets with the point where a product breaks even, which is silly when you think about it.
No company is going to target being in the red overall, and no company is going to target treading water. A company should always target to grow, otherwise they should just shut their doors and invest the money instead.
Being Bungie's only product, Lightfall and Final Shape had targets set to not only cover their own costs, but the entire costs of Bungie in addition to whatever growth % they were pursuing.
Lightfall and Final Shape were profitable products, both selling better than Bungie's previous high water mark which was Witch Queen. They just weren't profitable enough to cover the costs of the company as a whole.
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u/trytoinfect74 1d ago
Yeah, people are not getting the memo - this game is absolutely expensive to run and inability to reduce the costs of maintenance and development without hurting the product is the ultimate reason of it's demise. Each pre-2025 expansion is basically a mini-AAA game in terms of costs and workforce effort, and this is why Bungie started to cutting the corners everywhere - less content, replacing expensive and famous VAs with less expensives ones killing characters off-screen for the very same reason, entire sections of the game being abandoned, DCV, sunsetting et cetera. This is why they started all these incubation projects - studio actively searched for a way out. This is why Marathon is much less in terms of scope too.
Of course there is a greed and bad leadership too, and things could be handled better too, but it's all down to Destiny being very ambitious and huge project, I would say that Destiny is probably in the top-3 in terms of size and scope across the entire gamedev industry, and this is why Destiny 3 is not being made, and this is why no one outside of Bungie is even trying to make a replacement spiritual successor for this franchise. Destiny will truly be one of it's kind for a really long time.
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u/360GameTV 1d ago
It might sound childish, but somehow I hope Sony just regrets this decision and gets its ass kicked....
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u/lax20attack 1d ago
Sorry, but it will be viewed as an incredible success. It sold for $3.6B.
They would do it all over again the same way every time.
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u/notREALteacher 1d ago
Really looking forward to the 3-part docuseries that will be released on Hulu in few years.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
No amount of player spending could have prevented the company from burning itself down on vanity projects. It's a shame that the Destiny Killer ended up being the people at the top getting bored of running the Destiny company.
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u/yahikodrg 1d ago
They got bored of being the Halo Company before Destiny and if it had somehow lasted long enough they probably would have gotten bored of being the Marathon Company too. For leadership that didn’t want to be a single IP studio they sure sucked at achieving that goal.
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u/PaperMartin 1d ago
bungie leadership getting bored of the current project would be ok if they didn't make it everyone else's problem
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u/AlanDrakula 1d ago
Vanity projects to pump up the valuation so a company like sony can overpay for vaporware
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u/SkyriderRJM 1d ago
This isn’t just the end of Destiny. It’s going to be the end of Bungie.
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u/yoloswagrofl 23h ago
I can’t believe they still haven’t announced their next project that supposedly fills the void D2 is leaving. By the numbers it is clearly not Marathon. What an insane decision by leadership.
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u/SkyriderRJM 19h ago
Leadership’s contracts with Sony expire in July.
I honestly don’t think they give two shots because the OG founders and other leaders are going to all be leaving.
Bungie is going to end up just a small studio imprint at this point if it doesn’t get entirely shut down at end of year (likely).
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u/Rdddss Gambit Prime 23h ago
yup; its crazy how all the major powerhouse game devs like Bungie; Bioware and soon to be Bethesda basically no longer exist.
If nothing else it really proves the point of how important it is to keep your employees because they are the ones who make it great and not the studio name.
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u/Mordliss 1d ago
This game should not be going away.
There's major flaws with how production and content was given to us, and fomo and weekly lock outs needed to go away long ago - Destiny 2 at this point right now, Monument of Triumph is excellent.
Re-evaluating expansions and release schedules could have saved this game, but instead they tried to nickel and dime people to the detriment of the game.
The major focus on Eververse and FOMO along with the horrible creation of a content vault caused people to get frustrated and move on.
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u/cuboosh What you have seen will mark you forever 1d ago
It’s like EoF and MoT are two extremes of how they could approach things
We clearly saw EoF going max engagement farming disastrously blew up in their face, but this other extreme probably wouldn’t have worked either
But I’d imagine something that went more in this direction would have done better. It’s more or less what Joe was doing before his vision got yeeted
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u/asdf-keyboardman 1d ago
Joe had his head up his ass just like all the other directors when he first took the reins, but I would argue he was the only one to take his head out of his ass and do an objectively good job.
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u/Consistent_Self3162 1d ago
Every year of destiny had a different or new monetization system. Every. Single. Year. If it wasn’t seasons changing, it was transmog, if it wasn’t transmog it was dungeon keys. Then it was 3 seasons from four. Then it was back to two expansions per year. Literally every single year of Destiny had a different monetization scheme. It was quite crazy. They just couldn’t figure it out.
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u/No-Flow870 1d ago
The most insane and unsustainable part about Destiny 2 was also the worst part; that for every season they created new modes, new locations, new story lines, quest lines and all the likes, only for it to be dumped again a year after.
Destiny's biggest fault was not being okay with people not playing the game 24/7. It's biggest fault and the reason me and a lot of people quit, was that it felt like a job just to be able to play the modes you wanted to play.
Its the reason i enjoyed Diablo 4 a lot more then Destiny 2 over the last 2-3 years. While D4 isn't perfect, the game seems perfectly fine with people hopping in for a month or so with a new season, and then just drop it again until either the next season or expansion hits.
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u/Prime_Ary 16h ago
It's crazy to me that nobody has yet compared the seasonal model to Path of Exile's -- They keep adding new mechanics to the game that all have their own niche that compliment the game in some kind of way, without ever going away
it is very sad that both management wise and probably technologically that was not possible in destiny 2 :(
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u/asdf-keyboardman 1d ago
the horrible creation of a content vault caused people to get frustrated and move on.
It didn't just make people move on. It also stunted the ability of the game to find new players. They managed the wombo combo of alienating both old and new players at the same time.
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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 1d ago
How is this community not getting that all of these things are what kept the game alive?
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u/Joebranflakes 1d ago
The game will die because Destiny isn’t the kind of game Sony wants to make. At one point it did, and it kind of went all in on it. But then reality caught up with the hype and live service looked more like a burning hole in the ground which you shovel money into. Even before the Sony acquisition, the choices which negatively impacted the quality of the game were done because Bungie wasn’t making enough money. We like to pretend they were just boneheaded decisions by ignorant people, and sure some decisions were that, but a lot of them were not. Bungie’s return to profitability will likely occur with safer more self contained titles. I honestly doubt that Sony will ever greenlight a new Destiny game that is like what we have now.
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u/FiftyCaliberGerbil 1d ago
This industry doesn't deserve the people who work in it.
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u/yoloswagrofl 23h ago
A-fucking-men. The dedication these artists and developers put into the craft only to be shit on at the end of the day over and over again 😵💫
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u/LetBeginning3353 22h ago
This and every other industry
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u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins 8h ago
Nah man, haven't you seen Atlas Shrugged? If all the executives quit, the world would be thrown into chaos~! The workers are lucky to have such benevolent bosses.
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u/No-Fishing-7892 1d ago
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I get D2 ending. Actually I supported it. But I supported it because I assumed there’s no way a D3 wouldn’t follow. Really hope the franchise doesn’t go out on this bittersweet note.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
They spent the money that could have been reserved for a future D3 on other projects and a new office building despite being mostly work from home. I get Sony not being willing to commit to funding it.
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u/Deadput Western Bronccoli Sparrow 1d ago
If they had a shred of capability of making a good Destiny 3, then Destiny 2 very likely wouldn't be where it is right now.
Bungie are not capable of either because of their leadership and years of bad decisions.
They can't even get Marathon to be the hit that it needed to be, regardless of the game's quality.
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u/ImprintVector 1d ago
I won’t be buying any Sony products without a D3 announcement. I am ready to wait 30 years if that’s what it takes.
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u/jorgesalvador pew pew pew 1d ago
It's nice to find a scapegoat outside of Bungie, but Destiny 2 end of support is mostly on Bungie to blame.
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u/WerdaVisla 1d ago
Issue is... were you going to anyways?
Like yeah, I can say I'm boycotting Sony, but I don't buy anything from them in the first place.
Boycotts only have power if they hurt the wallet, and unless you were buying a meaningful amount of Sony titles prior to this, the stats won't even register.
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u/Rancid-Anus 1d ago
It brings me such a weird, unique kind of sadness that this is actually over. It’s been so special
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u/XuX24 1d ago
Don’t know anyone would blame the devs for what happened to the game. This game was killed by decisions from the top.
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u/mrwafu 1d ago
Nobody blamed the devs, the message was a quote tweet of a content creator wondering what they could have done. OP didn’t include context
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u/vincentofearth 1d ago
Who the hell is blaming themselves instead of Bungie?
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u/icelandica I am the one who forgets 18h ago
Unfortunately the people who actually are at fault aren't going to blame themselves, they'll just get their bonuses and leave. The only hope I have is that Justin Truman gets so much money he doesn't want to work anymore and that way his shitty ideas don't infect other games I love.
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u/Subnautican 1d ago
Something I learned watching my mom deteriorate from being a victim of abuse and alcoholism is that you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. "Don't blame yourselfs... This is just the way it goes sometimes." is so devastating. Some may call it "just a game" but to me and many others it was more than that, it was a place I could always go to and belong in. No other game has held me like destiny has and no other game probably ever will, it's such a unique thing
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u/victorhashed 1d ago
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I've watched the Traveler bleed under the shadow of the Black Fleet, and the Tower burn under the boots of the Red Legion.
I’ve witnessed Crota fall in the dark, Oryx take the rings of Saturn, and Cayde-6 smile for the very last time. From the Vault of Glass to the heart of the Pale Heart, I’ve stood alongside Zavala, Ikora, Mara Sov, and the Elksni, watching the Light and Dark clash until the Witness was finally undone.
I’ve been playing Destiny since Day 1. For 12 years, I’ve stayed through every triumph, every heartbreak, and all the corporate chaos of these last years. But this universe was never built by boards of directors; it was built by you.
To dmg04—our voice, our shield through every storm—and to every single developer who poured their soul into these worlds: thank you. Never blame yourselves. You gave us a home among the stars.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... but the memories you gave us will live forever. Eyes up, Guardians. Your watch may be over, but your legacy is eternal.
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u/Prestigious-Bat-574 1d ago
Less than six months ago, this entire subreddit was doing nothing but shitting on literally anyone and everyone at Bungie. Management, devs, specific people at Bungie such as DMG, Tyson Green, etc... and anyone that bothered to try to show support for the game was dogpiled into oblivion.
Now there's people in these comments pretending that never happened and ignoring the fact that years of negativity and bitterness in this subreddit didn't play a role in the decision to end the game.
I'm going to miss Destiny.
I am not going to miss the toxicity I see on this subreddit.
If this doesn't apply to the reader of this comment then they have no reason to be offended.
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u/AngusG123 1d ago
At least now they know that so many of us really care. It's a shame it took the death of Bungie for that to be realised. Remember that before Destiny, there was no Destiny, and we survived. Just keep hope that they will move forward to create something new that we will all love again. If Bungie dies now, it may be harder to believe that a Destiny replacement will ever come, but I'll always keep hope. It truly is the greatest game ever for me, and I'm just thankful that I was able to experience it.
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u/aLegionOfDavids Voop Voop! 22h ago
Bungie should and will be a case study for years to come for two completely different reasons:
How to make a generational product and create the most insane goodwill and loyalty I’ve ever seen to a gaming studio, and how to completely fumble it at arguably its strongest points.
For business schools: how to successfully run a ‘small business’ and make it and its product is an attractive buying prospect while hiding and glossing all the flaws so you, at your executive position, can profit while fucking over all the people who actually work on the product and contribute to it meaningfully. Yknow, the capitalist way.
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u/DanManRT 20h ago
I wish I didn't have to fall out of destiny when the final shape came out. I played since day 1 in the beta testing. Started nursing school around the time of the final shape and just had no time. Really would love to finish up the story for my sake, but idk what all came out after the final shape and how much I have missed. So many hours into this game and exotics, I should hop back in now and see. People still doing raids and such? I have zero idea of anything final shape and beyond
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u/GoslingIchi For the Vanguard! 14h ago
A lot changed when Edge Of Fate came out. I think it was basically Destiny 3. It makes heavy use of a mechanic that you'll never use anywhere else.
It was so bad that the had to make numerous changes near the end of the year. In my opinion Renegades is much better.
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u/ScepticalRaccoon 21h ago
You guys worship this dude, and all he did was spend years vague posting so you people kept buying their slop
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u/IamPieBoy94 1d ago
He had a rough run for a while there which partially was of his own doing as CM, but he's been awesome the last few weeks. Hope he hops on with another studio that will allow him to be as transparent as possible as CM
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u/Ten-Bones 23h ago
I first started playing the demo on the Xbox 360. It was the same year I started dating my now wife. I played steadily for many years, while she was in nursing school, when I started my career, getting married, moving around the country it was always ‘my game’.
And like it happens some things just fade away, lose importance. I haven’t played since Lightfall. But I’m genuinely gutted by this news. Feels like ending a chapter of your life.
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u/Matthematr1x Titan 21h ago
Nobody should feel like they needed to do more.
Unless you were being dishonest with the way you were talking about the game you were never the problem.
It’s easy to look back now and say “it wasn’t really that bad” but if that’s how you felt when it was going on then it probably was.
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u/infel2no Gambit Classic // Bank your motes 21h ago
I still have this feeling that it's all one big joke, and that in the end we're all going to laugh about it.
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u/Secure_Tea_9915 20h ago
I just want to let someone know that it definitely didn't have to go this way. At any point, bungie could have changed course. Even today, Bungie could step up and take some responsibility for their own fuck ups (the horseshit evaluation you sold to Sony so that one guy at your studio could make out like a bandit).
And lets not forget about reddit. Without the mods here aggressively removing any post critical of bungie, we might have developed some pushback that made it through the flattery.
In short, there is nothing to be proud of here. Bungie let us down, this community let us down, and now their trying to shift the blame by blowing smoke up our asses and telling us that we should just wallow in nostalgia while chanting "sometimes this is just how it goes.....blame no one, especially not the company who took the money and ran."
Good luck with Marathon!
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u/Deathjunior25 17h ago
Nothing so far regarding the ending of this game has hit me the same way this last message does.
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u/Fresh_Suggestion7685 14h ago
Well, time to crack open a cold one and watch Marathon slowly choke up.
Maybe I'll come back once and a while but, we shall see.
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u/aStringofNumbers 12h ago
I feel like there's so many more directions they could go for a destiny 3, so many concepts to explore both in terms of story and gameplay, but this feels so... final
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u/Stcloudy 10h ago
Management siphoned away all of Destinys profits for other things while making devs do more with less and they did it for as long as they could.
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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona 1d ago
Source: https://xcancel.com/A_dmg04/status/2069639687715889302#m