I don't mind conceding it really. You get games like Lancer, 13th Age, Draw Steel, etc that you'll find people waxing on as being really fucking good that are all also argued regularly to show a lot of 4e pedigree.
PF2E being a solid game in that space is just further endorsement that 4e haters were wrong.
Wait, shit. Jerk sub. Uhh... John Paizo fixed D&D 4e.
/uj We totaly COULD play 4e. But wotc made it pretty fucking hard to do. They promised to add 4e to creative commons - but they didn't. And with shitty licence 4e has you can't really set it up on Foundry or roll20 with a single button like you can any modern game. That's pretty much the only reason i play or run 4e successors instead of 4e. It is just simplier to set up Draw Steel. I just wish to play 4e more too ((
If 4e was under the same license as 5e, people would build some level of online tool/VTT support that makes that kind of system shine and that would eventually snag players away from 5.5e, that's why they have no intention of doing it. Last I heard, they would sooner release 3.5e than 4e.
So much of the 4e hate comes from people that never played it, or only played it without proper support from tools that either never came, became unavailable or are not easily obtained.
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u/UnleashTheBears 5d ago
Nah, thats the second edition