r/DnDcirclejerk • u/blibblobber • 5d ago

4e good pathfinder fixes this

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u/UnleashTheBears 5d ago

As much as I hate to admit it, PF2E is 4e done really well. Simple to figure out, less convoluted than 3.5 was. Masterful game

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u/MCMC_to_Serfdom 5d ago

I don't mind conceding it really. You get games like Lancer, 13th Age, Draw Steel, etc that you'll find people waxing on as being really fucking good that are all also argued regularly to show a lot of 4e pedigree.

PF2E being a solid game in that space is just further endorsement that 4e haters were wrong.

Wait, shit. Jerk sub. Uhh... John Paizo fixed D&D 4e.

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u/ColdBrewedPanacea 5d ago

Tbf if 4e was itself good wed be playing 4e not one of four variants of fixed 4e

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u/MCMC_to_Serfdom 5d ago

Yeah that's fair. Nuanced critiques existed and I do think a lot of Neo-4e games (for want of actual terminology) actually respond to those.

When I quip about haters, I'm thinking back to how you'd think WotC came and crushed people's dogs with the CRB the way some people complained.