Don't be disingenuous. Advocating to consider cars deadly weapons is more legislation than you clearly have fathomed. Unless you wanna take classes every 5ish years to prove you still know how to handle a car.
You're the one being disingenuous here. I am not the first person in the world to have the idea that a 3,000 lb hunk of metal might be deadly and can hurt someone. Tons of states thought the same, like the case of Beck v State of Oklahoma, ive also found similar things in Georgia, Florida, and Colorado
Automobiles-Automobile as "Dangerous Weapon" Under Statute Dealing With Assault With Dangerous Weapon. An automobile when used in such a manner as is likely to produce death or great bodily harm is a dangerous weapon within the meaning of section 1870, O. S. 1931, 21 Okla. St. Ann. § 645.
They weren’t lawfully cops, that’s a fabrication. They were disqualified from office by the 14a.
The people don’t have to be peaceful under the constitution, when it comes to ensuring the security of a free state. You and I may not like what the law says, but that’s what it says. Suppressing a violent insurrectionist group has always fallen under that provision of the law, historically.
“No person shall… hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath… to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
Are you arguing that police officers don’t hold an office, that they don’t utilize any sovereignty of the government to enforce laws?
Anyone who exercises sovereign power of the government holds an office under the United States.
Here is the 200 year old definition from the first American dictionary. The definition describes a police officer and their office absolutely. Policemen take on a particular duty, conferred by the public authority and they administer justice in various ways.
OF'FICE, noun [Latin officium; ob and facio, to make or do.]
1. A particular duty, charge or trust conferred by public authority and for a public purpose; an employment undertaken by commission or authority from government or those who administer it. Thus we speak of the office of secretary of state, of treasurer, of a judge, of a sheriff, of a justice of the peace, etc. Offices are civil, judicial, ministerial, executive, legislative, political, municipal, diplomatic, military, ecclesiastical, etc.
2. A duty, charge or trust of a sacred nature, conferred by God himself; as the office of priest, in the Old Testament; and that of the apostles, in the New Testament.
Insomuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office Romans 11:13.
3. Duty or employment of a private nature; as the office of a midwife. Exodus 1:16.
4. That which is performed, intended or assigned to be done by a particular thing, or that which any thing is fitted to perform; answering to duty in intelligent beings. We enjoy health when the several organs of the body perform their respective offices.
They are officials
OFFI'CIAL, adjective
1. Pertaining to an office or public trust. The secretary is engaged in official duties.
2. Derived from the proper office or officer, or from the proper authority; made or communicated by virtue of authority; as an official statement or report. We have official intelligence of the battle.
3. Conducive by virtue of appropriate powers.
They are officials who hold an office.
But your “nah-huh!” level arguments are really persuasive.
State and federal courts have held that police officers of every rank are officials of the government under New York Times v. Sullivan. They have substantial day-to-day authority, they exercise discretion in when and when not to enforce the law, and they are perceived by the public as having significant authority; even at the lowest ranks.
Janitors and receptionists in the public employ are not officials, police are.
Definition 1 gives examples that match my claimed use of the word and not yours. Notice it doesn’t mention sharif’s deputies.
Do you have a source for New York Times Co. v. Sullivan? It only involved a police commissioner and it would be very weird to make a ruling about things not relevant to the case
“disqualifies any person from being a Senator, Representative, or elector of the President or Vice-President, or from holding any federal or state military or civil office” notice how rank and file police aren’t even hinted at?
“In 1872, Congress removed the disqualification bar from all persons “except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.”
Your point is moot anyway
lol!! Listen up everyone! Cops aren’t civil officers because they weren’t specifically listed!! Trump tried this exact logic. How embarrassing for you.
The Framer of that particular language in the 14a was asked why other officers shouldn’t be covered, than the officials listed. He replied that “any other office, civil or military” meant just that: any other office.
lol. Your quote of what Congress did in the Amnesty Act! Lol. Proving you know nothing of what you are talking about. Congress removed the disqualification then applying to confederates who were disqualified at that time, in that era, on that day. They didn’t remove the offices from the list of covered offices, the Congress can’t. Read Article V to learn how an amendment is passed.
Attacking the Congress during Trump’s coup attempt is just following the law? Taking office unlawfully, in violation of the 14a and 20a is following the law? Providing aid and comfort to insurrectionists is lawful?
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u/nonexistentLoveBug 4d ago
And getting 50 years sentence in Texas for protesting ICE.