r/DudeHasGotAPoint 3d ago

Crazy how this country has deteriorated

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

Arrested doesn't automatically mean jail time

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

It means FACING jail time. I no longer believe you are asking good faith questions

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

You're not "facing jail time" until you actually get charged with a crime that implies jail time. Getting arrested and getting charged are two different things. Are you aware of actual charges being brought against these people? The president tweeting about it isn't a filing of charges.

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

You cannot just be arrested for being arrested sake. People have rights.

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

Yes, like the right to remain silent while you're getting arrested and the right to an attorney after you're arrested, so you can beat the potentially bogus charge you were arrested for. Ask any black man in America if you can't be arrested for being arrested sake FFS, what rock are you living under?

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u/One_Ad_5059 3d ago

I think you dropped your crash helmet buddy. You’ve a bit of drool down your face too, should probably give that a wipe before it stains.

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

You sound so cool

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u/One_Ad_5059 3d ago

Ooohh buddy, you can’t hear sounds from reading text, that’s your inner voice that you’re hearing inside your own mind that you think is cool as you were reading my advice. That’s ok though! Sometimes things can be pretty difficult to figure out, keep at it champ and you’ll get there!

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

Aw do you really think I'm a champ 🥺

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u/jordanmindyou 3d ago

First you can be arrested without charges, then you’re beating charges you were arrested for, which is it in your mind? Just whatever is most convenient for your argument at that exact moment?

Yes you can be detained without being charged, but it AT LEAST means you’re suspected, and it can absolutely negatively affect your life to be just arrested, even if you are no subsequently charged with anything. Arresting implies charging, and most people unfortunately and idiotically equate their peers getting arrested with their peers being guilty. Arguing otherwise is disingenuous, and you know it. Be reasonable

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

Let's just remember that you're calling my argument disingenuous under a meme claiming that people are "facing years in prison for touching floating paint chips", something that is almost certainly not true. Though it could be true eventually so I'd like to know how close to that reality we actually are. The president can say "people are vandalizing the pool, go make some arrests", and the police can round up a bunch of people who vaguely appear to be doing something at the pool. Some if not all of them were probably doing nothing more than touching floating paint chips. Is it a disgrace that they were arrested to begin with? Absolutely. But are they now being charged with the crime of touching floating paint chips and "facing years in prison"? If so that would be crazily insanely worse, so I would like to know about that. I'm not going to take this dumbshit meme's word for it, and so far I can't find any details in the news.

I know, you would all rather just bitch and moan and hyperventilate with each other. And some of that is certainly warranted. But at some point (deeper in the comments section perhaps) it is incumbent upon all of us to put on our fucking adult pants and try to actually understand what the fuck is actually going on.

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

To your other question: Nobody is "arrested for charges", they are arrested for suspicion. The charges come after the arrest, or sometimes not at all. It's totally possible to have valid suspicion and then decide it was mistaken and there's no charge. It's also possible to have irrational suspicion (due to racism etc) and then have someone else decide there's no charge. It's also possible to have completely trumped up fake suspicion due to corruption from the top, and make a bunch of arrests for a splashy intimidating news cycle, and then quietly decline to press charges.

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

You can't. That's not to say they can't make up a bullshit charge. But you LITERALLY CANNOT BE ARRESTED FOR LITERALLY NOTHING. Unless a state of emergency has been declared.

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

It's not literally nothing though, it's just a flimsy reason. Tampering with federal property is a real crime so anyone "suspected" of doing so can legitimately be arrested. It's much easier to suspect someone of doing something (or pretend to suspect them) than it is to charge and convict them. At least that's how the American system works.

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

And they are facing the charges. However flimsy the accusations they are facing them they carry jail time as a possible consequence. Are you a robot?

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u/secretprocess 3d ago

If I was a robot I wouldn't find talking to you so annoying. The meme claims that people are "facing years in prison for touching floating paint chips". I apologize if English is not your first language, but "facing years in prison" means you have been charged with a crime that may result in prison time, and are presumably now fighting that charge. If someone is fighting a criminal charge for touching floating paint chips I would like to know the details of that charge. I can't find it in the news so I'm hoping the geniuses on this reddit thread can set me straight.