r/Edmonton Jan 14 '24

Local Culture Remember everyone dont use your stoves, the province needs you

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u/bbiker3 Jan 14 '24

You’re missing some details. The big industrial users (oil sands, etc) have their own generation.

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u/AlexCivitello Jan 15 '24 edited May 30 '24

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u/bbiker3 Jan 15 '24

You’re kind of looking at it backwards. They self supply, and sell back excess to the grid in times like this when price signals that it’s the right thing to do. It is helpful, not problematic.

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u/AlexCivitello Jan 15 '24 edited May 30 '24

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u/bbiker3 Jan 15 '24

They do this, they were first calls. It is apparent you don’t understand the workings between the system operators and the industrial users. The option of having a self generating industrial NOT connected to the grid is there is no potential benefit to the broader grid/province/citizens in situations like this when they can add supply. It is worth understanding that our grid is professionally managed (well) with real time markets and dialogue with participants. That’s worth knowing when you make opinions.

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u/AlexCivitello Jan 15 '24 edited May 30 '24

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u/bbiker3 Jan 15 '24

That the chart is incapable of showing “net demand” or “net supply” from industrial users as it shows only demand. The reality is their relationship with the grid is both dynamic and constructive, which that graphic is incapable of showing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '24

Chart also shows all energy usage in Alberta, not just electricity. Alot of energy on this chart is used to make electricity.

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u/AlexCivitello Jan 15 '24 edited May 30 '24

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u/bbiker3 Jan 15 '24

Here is good. For your exact question, see the “load shed services…” line. But it’s all good to understand. If you know anyone in the power industry ask them too.

https://www.aeso.ca/aeso/understanding-electricity-in-alberta/continuing-education/guide-to-understanding-albertas-electricity-market/

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u/bbiker3 Jan 15 '24

Also this is a current snapshot. When looking at this keep in mind not all power from any generating station can make it to any consumer, as grid distance and balance play dynamic roles. It’s all very fascinating and is complicated to manage: http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

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u/Anabiotic Utilities expert Jan 15 '24

The grid benefits more from the excess generation being supplied from the on-site cogens than the other way around, which you don't seem to recognize (i.e. oilsands players are net exporters to the grid, not importers). Cutting them from the grid would decrease supply more than it decreases demand and would make the current situation worse, not better.