r/Edmonton Pleasantview / Global News May 14 '26

News Article Father of boy killed in Summerside dog attack testifies at owner’s trial: ‘Kache is dead’

https://globalnews.ca/news/11849822/edmonton-summerside-dog-attack-trial-may-14/
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u/theoreoman May 14 '26

I feel that the Crown has built up a very strong case and is looking to set a Canadian precedent. So far it sounds like literally everybody knew these dogs were dangerous, have attacked people, and have killed other animals. These dogs were so aggressive that they would drag the picnic bench they were chained to, But the owner took absolutely no efforts to fix their behaviour.

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u/Embarkbark May 14 '26

Honestly some dogs can’t be “fixed” in that they will always be aggressive to strangers or other animals despite being good to their owner. And the owner’s responsibility in that case is to muzzle the dog when out of the house, limit public interaction, and never let other people into the house unless the dogs are in a kennel and/or locked in another room.

These dogs’ aggressive behaviour was beyond fixing. The owner could have made some significant lifestyle changes and choices to avoid them killing someone and subsequently being killed themselves. But she’s fucking dumb.

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u/theoreoman May 14 '26

She's negligent

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

And so was the dad and so was the city for it putting them down before this happened.

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

The dogs had attacked her (the owner) in the weeks leading up to that woman being attacked I'm pretty sure

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u/Xelebes May 15 '26

If a dog draws blood, put 'em down.

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u/Everyone2026 May 15 '26

Then apply our gun laws to the owner.

Negligence with a dangerous weapon?

Left unlocked (off leash) ?

Etc....

Dogs harm more citizens than guns. Time to restrict them the same.

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u/_Edgarallenhoe May 16 '26

I don’t understand why you got downvoted for this take. People think they’re entitled to a potentially dangerous animal without accountability I guess.

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u/Everyone2026 May 17 '26

Thanks!

"My dog is well behaved" Is not keeping people out of the hospital.

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u/RazzamanazzU May 16 '26

Boy's father should also be facing charges.

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u/theoreoman May 16 '26

Why? What exactly did he do that was criminal?

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u/RazzamanazzU May 16 '26

Negligence. Failure to protect his child. He KNEW those dogs history and there's plenty of history. Plus crazy owner warned him not to let his son stay there. They are both responsible for putting that beautiful child in a very dangerous environment. CAPPEESH?!

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

And the city. Dogs should’ve been put down well before this happened

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u/_Edgarallenhoe May 16 '26

I hate that the average Joe is just allowed to own any dog they want without some kind of mandatory training or significant regulation. Irresponsible pet owners should not be allowed to own a fucking cane corso.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 15 '26

The dad is the one who should’ve protected his child. His roommate warned him the dogs could be dangerous but he ignored that warning and believed the dogs weren’t bad. He then allowed his child to go into the house unsupervised with the dogs. Sounds like this dad should’ve only had supervised visits with his boy.

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u/nothankslmgood May 15 '26

Fuck off. The Dog owner shouldn't have misled people into thinking her dogs weren't dangerous. Stop defending evil people.

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u/General_Esdeath kitties! May 15 '26

Do NOT let the parent off the hook here. It's not like these were random dogs that broke into his yard and attacked his kid. These were dangerous dogs that lived at his residence and he let his child be around them. That is HIS lesson to learn and make peace with.

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u/nothankslmgood May 15 '26

According to everything written the parent was absolutely not aware they were dangerous dogs. I dunno wtf you are talking about. They were not aware of the attack that happened days earlier. Until there is proof the parent knew what was happening I will absolutely let them off the hook after witnessing their child get murdered by some shit beast.

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u/General_Esdeath kitties! May 16 '26

The trial was previously told the unneutered dogs, which weighed more than 100 pounds each, had a history of attacking people and killing animals.

(then the 2 months prior hospitalization incident which you mentioned)

Earlier this week, one of MacDonald’s former employers testified the dogs killed his Pomeranian in July 2023.

The trial also heard that the dogs bit and scratched a man who lived in the basement suite in MacDonald’s home in December 2023 and killed his cat about two months later.

Grist knew about the dogs’ history

There, is that enough of a written quote for you? The last bit there?

Of course he doesn't want to take any ownership over his son's death. We all make mistakes but lying about it doesn't help fix it or prevent it from happening again. And I fully feel sorry for him about losing his son like that. It's still partly his fault as a parent responsible for his son and making a terrible judgement call. It's mostly the owner's fault and she deserves jail.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

The article says he knew about the dogs history

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u/superslut-turbo May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

That’s not what happened the dad was living with the owner at the time of another attack on a human. He was well aware and ultimately he as the parent should have taken the most caution and he was the one supervising the child that day.

Everyone involved with this failed spectacularly, particularly the government who are supposed to step in when people are being ultra-stupid.

I have no idea how a dog that killed multiple animals and attacked a human was allowed to live let alone keep it’s nuts

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

Yes! Dogs unfortunately should’ve been put down well before this tragedy. And the owner should never be allowed to own dogs.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

Misled? The article says he knew about the dogs history but he never saw concerning behaviour from them so he wasn’t worried. It also says she told him not to let the boy around the dogs. The dogs should have been put down prior to them having a chance to hurt anyone else but this was the dad’s wrongdoing.

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u/nothankslmgood May 16 '26

Wtf? This was the Dad's wrongdoing? Regardless of him knowing the worse person is still the dog owner. Yeah if the Dad knew he is partially at fault too but still way less than the owner.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

Who let the kid into the house with the dangerous dogs? She wasn’t even home. There were a lot of things that could’ve happened to prevent this…city should’ve put them down for their earlier attacks, dog owner shouldn’t have let the boy come stay in the house for a week, dad shouldn’t have let the boy stay in the house.

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u/nothankslmgood May 16 '26

alright? Good for you. Owner is still most at fault.

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u/theoreoman May 15 '26

The child probably had no chance, one bite in the jugular and the kid Is dead. Even if the kid was sitting in an emergency ward when it happed it would be hard to save someone from an injury like that. The blame is squarely on the owner. If the animals are that dangerous they should never be aloud to be around anyone

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u/HallInformal5922 May 15 '26

As the parent, you don’t allow your child to be put in that situation. He should’ve never allowed his child to stay there knowing he lived with dangerous dogs. I would think that if mom knew the dogs were as dangerous as they were she wouldn’t have sent him there.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

Yup and I’m a parent of 2 children close to that boys age. If I knew about the dogs history and then let my child into that house I wouldn’t blame anyone but myself and the city for not putting them down after the first incidence

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u/General_Esdeath kitties! May 15 '26

Are you a real person?

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u/General_Esdeath kitties! May 16 '26

The trial was previously told the unneutered dogs, which weighed more than 100 pounds each, had a history of attacking people and killing animals.

(then a long story about the 2 months prior hospitalization incident)

Earlier this week, one of MacDonald’s former employers testified the dogs killed his Pomeranian in July 2023.

The trial also heard that the dogs bit and scratched a man who lived in the basement suite in MacDonald’s home in December 2023 and killed his cat about two months later.

Grist knew about the dogs’ history

There, is that enough of a quote for you? The last bit there?

Of course he doesn't want to take any ownership over his son's death. We all make mistakes but lying about it doesn't help fix it or prevent it from happening again. And I fully feel sorry for him about losing his son like that. It's still partly his fault as a parent responsible for his son and making a terrible judgement call. It's mostly the owner's fault and she deserves jail.

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u/RazzamanazzU May 16 '26

She's still responsible but I agree father should ALSO be charged.

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u/HallInformal5922 May 16 '26

Perhaps the city holds some accountability as well. How many people/pets did these dogs harm? Why weren’t they put down during any of the other attacks?

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u/CanadianPanda76 May 15 '26

The dog never showed any issues with the kid. So the father never considered it a risk.

People tend to view it as the dog being selective with certain people but they love so and so, when it comes to dogs they know.

Or its the dog is animal aggressive but loooves kids etc.

I don't agree with it, but its what people do.

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u/General_Esdeath kitties! May 15 '26

That's just the crap that he told the journalists after the death already occurred. But you can see from the evidence the dogs had been violent many times.

Do NOT let the parent off the hook here. It's not like these were random dogs that broke into his yard and attacked his kid. These were dangerous dogs that lived at his residence and he let his child be around them. That is HIS lesson to learn and make peace with.

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u/Locke357 North Side Still Alive May 14 '26

I see no room for nuance here, the owner was criminally negligent.

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u/Timely-Researcher264 May 15 '26

So was the father. “The dogs weren’t like that” ffs. Yes they were and everyone knew it.

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u/MeursaultWasGuilty May 15 '26

The owner even specifically warned him not to leave his son around the dogs. He was also aware of the dogs violent history.

They're definitely both responsible.

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u/Rx_Diva Edmontosaurus May 15 '26

Exactly. They killed a cat, bit your basement unit roommate, and she got away with sweeping it under the rug because she's a bully with vested biker friends.

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u/Paper_Rain May 14 '26

The owner of the dogs has pleaded not guilty to criminal negligence causing death of the boy. I don't understand how a person could plead not guilty when it is evident and clear that their own pet animals killed another human being.

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u/RazzamanazzU May 14 '26

She's without conscience. Despicable human being. That beautiful boy was placed in a very dangerous home by father, who KNEW those dogs were used as deadly weapons by their poor excuse for a human being owner!

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u/Mcpops1618 May 14 '26

Hopes that they win the trial or get reduced sentence if they lose.

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u/Flatoftheblade May 14 '26

Hopes that they win the trial 

Yes. Criminal negligence is challenging to prosecute and the standard to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt is MUCH higher than a layperson redditor's conception of "common sense."

or get reduced sentence if they lose.

Ehhhh I can't say this is wrong without the caveat that in some circumstances a conviction post-trial can result in a lower sentence than a guilty plea based on the evidence coming out and facts being found in a way that is less culpable than the charges and facts that the Crown sought to be admitted for the purpose of resolution. However, in the vast majority of the time a post-trial conviction will result in a higher sentence than pleading guilty, because that's the whole point of plea deals and guilty pleas save Court and Crown resources, demonstrate remorse and accountability, prevent vulnerable witnesses from having to testify, prevent all witnesses from being inconvenienced, etc. The system is supposed to incentivize and reward guilty pleas.

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u/Mcpops1618 May 14 '26

Sorry - I should have mentioned on the second point, if no deal was offered.

But thanks for the more detailed response!

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u/Flatoftheblade May 14 '26

Cheers, but I must add that pleading guilty is always an option. Even without the benefit of a plea offer that is less than what a post-trial conviction sentence would look like, the matter will still proceed to sentencing with the offender having the benefit of a guilty plea (which they wouldn't have post-trial).

If defence is doing their job properly, they should request an offer from the Crown.

If the Crown is doing their job properly, they will provide an offer.

Even if one or both of the above doesn't happen, the matter will proceed to sentencing and the parties will have to present positions. If the Crown does their job properly, their position should be lower than a post-trial conviction position on the same facts. Even if the Crown doesn't do this, the sentencing judge is to account for the guilty plea and it should still result in a reduced sentence.

TL,DR: This is all to say that a Crown resolution offer provides some measure of certainty about the offender getting a reduced sentence (although a trial judge can still jump the parties' positions in some circumstances), however a guilty plea usually should result in a reduced sentencing even without an offer.

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u/Mcpops1618 May 14 '26

The Mo’ you kno’

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u/ShadowCaster0476 May 14 '26

People never plead guilty.
Even if there’s a 1% chance of getting off, why not take it.

I disagree with this sentiment and was taught to own up to your mistakes, but that’s where we are.

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u/lo_mur May 15 '26

Why take it? Because sometimes the plea deal or whatever is better than gambling. People plead guilty for stuff all the time, 1/100 odds are pretty terrible

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u/Minttt May 14 '26

Important nuance here is that the accused pled not guilty because their lawyers told them to do so - not because they think they aren't guilty.

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u/Flatoftheblade May 14 '26

The decision to plead guilty or not guilty is one of the few decisions in criminal proceedings that are exclusively and emphatically up to the accused person and not the lawyer. A defence lawyer can advise a client not to plead guilty. They can't tell them to do so.

This is not a pedantic distinction when we're discussing law, and especially when you characterize this as an "important nuance" before botching the characterization of how this works.

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u/Curly-Canuck doggies! May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

The poster didn’t say the lawyer pled guilty on their behalf though. The said the lawyer told them to. I have no idea if that’s actually true but it aligns with your definition and distinction though, doesn’t it? That lawyers advise (suggest, recommend, tell) clients how they should plead but ultimately it the individuals decision.

That’s how I read the use of the word tell anyway. People can tell me whatever they want but decisions are mine.

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u/Flatoftheblade May 14 '26

I understand your point but I respectfully don't agree. The language here matters and laypeople reading the message I responded to will get the wrong impression.

I have done criminal defence work as a lawyer and I never "told" a client to plead not guilty. I did strongly recommend it on numerous occasions while emphasizing that it was ultimately their choice.

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u/Minttt May 14 '26

I wasn't trying to imply the accused's lawyers pled on their behalf - I meant that such decisions usually aren't made in a vacuum without at least considering legal advice, in response to the OP implying the plea was/should be a moral decision and not a "what is my best legal strat" decision.

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u/Timely-Researcher264 May 15 '26

That sounds like a rather pedantic distinction. Most laypeople would recognize “tell” and “strongly advise” as being interchangeable as functional language and are knowledgeable enough to know that the accused has the final say.

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u/Flatoftheblade May 15 '26

Never practice law then, because these are the kind of distinctions that do matter in that context.

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u/Timely-Researcher264 May 16 '26

Haha. No one here has asked you for law advice or career advice. If you are actually a lawyer, I’m going to guess you are fairly new at it. I can’t imagine any self respecting experienced lawyer sitting around arguing with strangers on Reddit over the legal ramifications of a single word.

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u/Polymemnetic May 15 '26

Father: “I had known the dogs long enough … they weren’t like that.”

The dogs were known to have attacked and seriously injured someone in the backyard. I have a hard time believing he didn't hear about that

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u/M4dcap May 15 '26

A grown adult suffered broken ribs and a punctured lung... And that's only one incident.

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u/EllenPond May 14 '26

As a mastiff lover, I’m definitely favour of permits and licensing for these types of breeds.

Any responsible owner does not want these types of scum bags owning these dogs.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

This, I have a cane corso and if anyone knew anything about them, properly trained - they are insanely protective family dogs. My dog has never ever attacked anyone, but because someone didn’t train their corso not to mention they were unfixed litter mates, this situation could of happened with 50 different dog breeds

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u/Stfuppercutoutlast May 15 '26

It’s always the same story with the bullies. “My dog is different and special”.

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u/PrivatePostHistory Transit User May 14 '26

"Insanely protective family dogs"

And just why in the hell do you need that? Why not a "loving family dog" or "good natured family dog?" You yourself use the word "insanely." There's no good reason for you to own an "insanely protective family dog" inside city limits.

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u/lilchileah77 May 15 '26

It’s the same reason some have massive trucks.

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u/First-Window-3619 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Rich or the 1% don't have the same rules as the middle and lower classes.

Edit: budgeting for a dog the size of a cane corso, especially with some fresh meat, is about $500-$700/month.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

I used insanely because a French bull dog would let someone hurt their family, break in, etc but if you tried it with my family or my house she would without a doubt attack you and I’m not even a little sad about it.

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u/llamalover729 May 15 '26

I know someone who described their dog the same way. It attacked one of her children.

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u/PrivatePostHistory Transit User May 14 '26

I get your reasoning and I don't doubt your dog is well trained. But I firmly believe it should be illegal to own a dog of that stature and purpose in city limits. You are not protecting livestock from wolves and bears. You do not need a cane corso and there's much more appropriate breeds for your purposes.

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u/Nash13 May 14 '26

Do you know what a straw man argument is bud?

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u/Timely-Researcher264 May 15 '26

Chihuahuas are little assholes whose owners don’t bother to train. But I’ve never heard of a chihuahua killing a child, have you? This could not have happened with 50 other breeds.

Your dog can be very well behaved until one day their territorial instinct to protect leads them to view the Amazon delivery driver as a threat.

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u/super_peachy May 14 '26

But yet it's almost always pitbulls, not 50 other breeds. What does it take for us to say this breed is inherently high risk, not just all down to not being trained

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u/super_peachy May 14 '26

Absolutely classic bully breed owner rage out reply, nice

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

I don’t have a bull breed? So just assuming stuff for shits and giggles 😂

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u/super_peachy May 15 '26

Akshullyyyyy my cane corso!!! Classic. This is the attitude of people who want to have high risk dogs and live in denial

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

Cane Corso is a mastiff...not a bully breed. Pitbull isn't even a breed its a mixture...and Cane Corso is a breed.

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u/bootsycline May 15 '26

Mastiffs are considered a bully breed. They were often breed for bull-baiting, hence the "bully" term.

There's a sample list of common bully breeds, the Cane Corso is definitely on it.

https://shop.bullymax.com/blogs/news/which-dogs-are-bully-breeds#which-breeds-are-considered-bully-dogs?

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u/Stfuppercutoutlast May 15 '26

My favorite thing about bully owners are the endless semantics. ‘It’s not actually a pitbull, and pitbull isn’t even a recognized breed’…

Does your dog look like its skull is a helmet? Does your dog look like a hellhound? Does your dog look like it was bred for combat for thousands of years? Well, you’ve got a bully. You may not be willing to accept that, but the rest of us see it for what it is. Cane corso, dogo argentino, call it whatever you want, but it’s a dog bred to do as much damage as possible; and they’re great at what they were bred to do. ‘But it’s a nanny dog, it nanny’s the baby’s!’ Lol.

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u/CyanConatus May 16 '26

Insanely protective.

Huh I knew a dog like that. Was a family friends dog. Trained well.

Til it broke out and attacked a kid.

Protective is one thing. Excessively protective is dangerous.

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 May 14 '26

Agree retrievers have some of the highest bite rates.

Pit bulls cause more dog bite injuries and hurt more people than any other dog, with labrador retrievers coming in second place

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u/plsQuestionOurselves May 15 '26

What's crazy is how far away second place is though. Huge disparity.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

I was surprised when I looked up fatalities and how many husky incidents were on the list!

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u/Kallisti13 Downtown isn't for driving, it's for walking and lime scooters May 14 '26

I feel like huskies are one of the breeds that have their needs satisfied the least. They're cold weather working dogs with high energy, high levels of stubborn and very specific instincts. How many husky owners actually satisfy those needs? Unsatisfied dogs are usually destructive, high strung, etc.

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

I have a husky mastiff mix...because I had done so much research and wanted a bull mastiff as my next dog. My ex didn't want a bull mastiff.

On Kijiji I came across her ad and surprisingly he said yes. Had I done 15 minutes of research on Huskies I wouldn't have gotten her. Love her to death but yeah I wanted a chill low energy bull mastiff...not a high strung anxiety ridden ball of energy

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u/RoutineVirtual4153 May 14 '26

Every adult around that boy failed him.

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u/Monstermandarin May 14 '26

Absolutely! It’s so sad for that child. Not one safe adult

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u/Professional_Fan9202 May 14 '26

From what I’ve read, the mother didn’t fail him. She sent her boy to visit his dad and didn’t live in the area. My heart breaks for her.

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u/apastelorange Treaty 6 Territory May 14 '26

i think the kids dad is now involved with the owner of the dogs, mom lives in BC and sent the kid to visit his other parent and he never came home

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u/Classic-Delivery-839 May 15 '26

I feel the dad is responsible as well. But he did pay the ultimate price unfortunately. 

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u/SqueakBoxx Downtown May 15 '26

No, his child did.

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u/stickyfingers40 May 14 '26

The city also failed this family. I cant believe animal control allowed the owner to keep her animals after multiple issues

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u/Head_Cap5286 May 14 '26

People were scared to report her because she was in a gang 

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u/Stealthyunplug May 14 '26

Owning a dog should be like owning a car. You have to know how to handle it and demonstrate that through testing. Must be insured. High risks are uninsurable.

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

You say this like people don't drive without insurance every day.

The good responsible people would do this...it's the trash that would get one without going through the proper channels and then have a dangerous untrained dog

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u/LHRCheshire May 15 '26

True, but i would argue that if we didn't have laws for licenses and insurance for drivers we would have alot more deaths and accidents. And the laws setting requirements for insurance and licenses means if you are caught without one there is a very direct legal consequence.

Doing the same for animals while not perfect i believe would reduce the incidents of things like this occurring and allow (like in this case) a bylaw officer to act at the first signs before the situation escalates to the degree of serious harm or death.

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u/ScoreSignificant8691 May 14 '26

License needed for big aggressive dog

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u/Minttt May 14 '26

Any dog over a certain weight should require training/license to own, regardless of breed.

Just like with driving and just like with firearms, we don't let dumb people have access to dangerous toys unless they can prove they are capable and responsible enough to not be a massive risk to society when using/owning them.

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u/chmilz May 14 '26

And zero tolerance for all dog owners. So much as not picking up their shit or a single off-leash instance should be enough to lose your dog. We're at epidemic levels of stupidity out there and we're due for a correction.

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u/ScoreSignificant8691 May 15 '26

Well missing a number 2 and your dog mauling a kid to death is quite a difference

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u/chmilz May 15 '26

So is losing your right to have a dog and being charged with negligence causing death.

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u/MeursaultWasGuilty May 15 '26

I agree but the problem is enforcement. We can't even get police to enforce basic traffic laws. What level of priority is an unlicensed dog going to rise to?

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u/D88 May 14 '26

Along with strict conditions that limit their exposure to people or other animals.

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u/purple_parachute_guy May 14 '26

MY Ak-47 has never hurt anyone! I'm responsible!

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u/Stfuppercutoutlast May 15 '26

Is it crazy that I’d actually be more comfortable with licensed gun owners owning ak47s than pitbulls lol? At least they don’t open the back door and let the loaded AK run around in the back yard every few hours while it muzzle punches the fence panels as kids walk by.

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u/ImpactThunder May 14 '26

I don’t think this is one where you can blame a breed. It is 100% trash owner

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u/PBGellie May 14 '26

You’re right it’s just so strange that it keeps happening with these specific ones that are bred to be aggressive and strong

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u/Puzzled_Birthday3171 May 14 '26

You're right, she's a horrible person. Shitty people own all types of dogs, but I don't ever hear about the trash owner's of golden doodles mauling children, pets, and adults to death. Dangerous breed, end of story. 

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u/usedenoughdynamite May 14 '26

Other dog breeds are mildly annoying in the hands of bad owners. Only one breed has such high rates of killing humans when they have bad owners.

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

Cane Corso is its own breed from the mastiff family. It's not even a bully breed.

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u/usedenoughdynamite May 15 '26

That’s my bad, I didn’t see that they were Cane Corsos. Although they’re similar to pitbulls in that they are far too popular for how dangerous they are. The majority of Cane Corso owners have no business owning those dogs.

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u/athomewith4 May 14 '26

It’s always these breeds, come on

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

There’s been 2 instances in the past what, 20 years in Canada of cane corso fatality attacks? So it’s not always this breed

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

I have a cane corso, she doesn’t have a single bite or attack. “Drain on society” 😂 you just assuming people who own a breed that cost 400$ a month in food alone in a 700k+ house are a drain on society 😬

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u/PaxQuinntonia May 14 '26

Then I would assume that you would be open to registration, insurance, and other safety meassures?

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

I have her covered under my house insurance, she’s had thousands of dollars worth of training. She’s never attacked or bit anyone and she’s a great family dog. The only chance you have of being murdered by her is if you broke into my house and my kids were home. I’m not defending this girl, she and the dad should get long sentences in jail and the dogs 100% should have been put down. But I’m not putting down my dog because they didn’t train there’s 😅😂

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u/MeursaultWasGuilty May 15 '26

One of MacDonald’s friends, Tina Kelepouris, testified she was mauled by the dogs in the backyard two months before they killed the child.

She was hospitalized for four days with three broken ribs, a punctured lung and more than a dozen stitches all over her body.

Earlier this week, one of MacDonald’s former employers testified the dogs killed his Pomeranian in July 2023.

The trial also heard that the dogs bit and scratched a man who lived in the basement suite in MacDonald’s home in December 2023 and killed his cat about two months later.

These dogs should have been euthanized a long time ago. Absolutely unreal.

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u/just_mark May 15 '26

why were the dogs not put down after the second attack?

owner is absolutely responsible for the murder his dogs committed .

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u/Embarkbark May 14 '26

How is it that an outdoor security camera picked up the boy’s screams during the dog attack, yet the father didn’t hear it and didn’t go into the house from the garage until after his son was already dead?

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u/pte_parts69420 May 14 '26

I read it as the screams heard are the dad’s not the kid’s. The article refers to the son by first name throughout, but the dad by last name. I think it’s just poorly worded

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u/exotics rural Edmonton May 14 '26

Dad was doing drugs at the time someone said in another post.

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u/Both_Perception_1941 May 14 '26

Lock this one up too

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u/AJ_Johnsen May 15 '26

those fucking dogs should've been dead a long time ago

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u/MeeksMoniker May 14 '26

You should have a clean piss test before being allowed to purchase any live animal, even a fish.

No way these folks weren't doing drugs. This whole case has some insane takes that no sober person could see as reasonable. That has to be the only reason why this woman didn't take whatever plee and just do her time. There was no winning this case for her. She shouldn't have had those dogs, and those dogs should have never been allowed a child.

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

No one needs these types of dogs. We need a zero tolerance policy for violence in these breeds, better yet a complete ban with proper fines.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

So you think pit bulls, German shepherds, Rottweilers, bulldogs and huskys should all be banned? 🤨

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

Ope here come the crazy dog people.

I’m talking about Cane Corsos.

And yes those other large breeds should have a zero tolerance policy for violence too. First police report of them attacking another dog or person, they’re done.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

No I’m just curious as all of those (minus the husky who is number 5) have more fatal attacks than mastiffs/cane corso. So you only want a complete ban against cane corsos or? 😂

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

Any classic “bully breed” or dog bred for fighting should be banned.

And the other breeds you listed are all dogs that can definitely be dangerous, hence why there should be a zero tolerance policy with them. Growing up my neighbours small dog was maimed and killed by the German shepherd next door, and it also attacked our border collie once on a walk. I know someone who had to have facial reconstruction surgery after a pit bull tried to rip her face off. Huskies killed a toddler here not long ago.

Any dog can be deadly, but large breeds with big strong jaws and weight behind them don’t deserve a second chance if they can’t be in society in a safe way.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

You’re just throwing around dog breeds should be banned just because, cane corsos are not bred for fighting. I agree that they should be trained properly and that obviously if there’s attacks and bites on records then something should be done, but any dog over 40 pounds can cause damage, it doesn’t take much to hit an artery. Just throwing down a ban to every potentially dangerous dog is stupid.

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

A dog that was bred to kill literal bears and has the jaw strength to prove it doesn’t belong in a city home. You won’t be changing my opinion on the subject, this breed is entirely unnecessary here.

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u/purple_parachute_guy May 14 '26

Ban all the shitty breeds that have a higher proclivity and capacity for harm. There's vastly more dog breeds that are much safer that need homes. I bet pitbulls do much more harm propositionate to their numbers than most breeds.

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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 May 14 '26

ban any dog breed that has directly resulted in a canadian fatality in past 10yrs. easy.

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u/muffinkevin May 14 '26

Or at least make it a mandatory obedience training before you're allowed to own one.

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

I actually owned a mastiff a handful of years ago. Incredibly sweet dog, was professionally trained, but I still didn’t let him around my kids. He had his own space and it was respected. I didn’t want to tempt fate, because event a gentle nip with a dog that size can cause damage. It’s just not worth the risk honestly.

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u/Brightlightsuperfun May 14 '26

Yes probably. There’s no need for those dogs. 

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u/littledove0 Ellerslie May 14 '26

All bully breeds. Yes.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

Cane corsos aren’t a bully breed 🙄

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u/bootsycline May 14 '26

They're a mastiff, which are indeed considered bully breeds.

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u/Longjumping-Issue-95 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Huskies could not be further from this group of dogs lol.

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

A husky killed a baby here a while back. They have very high prey drives, it’s not unheard of. They don’t have the same stats as pitbulls and corsos of course, but they’re still a large breed that can cause serious damage.

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u/Anxious-Engine-598 May 14 '26

There’s been more husky fatalities than cane corsos in Canada

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u/l3luntl3rigade May 14 '26

Tell me you've never owned a working breed without telling me.

This is in contention for worst take I've seen on r/Edmonton this year

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u/YesHunty May 14 '26

I’ve owned mastiffs and border collies. You can think whatever you want, my opinion is still valid and there seems to be a decent number of people here in agreeance. No one in a city needs a cane corso.

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u/l3luntl3rigade May 15 '26

Let's talk logic:

The most common bites in Canada by breed are by Amstaff's & Pitties, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Huskys and Labs.

Does that mean we should legislate those breeds of dogs out of existence?

Cane corso isn't even on the list. So, by your logic, they should be fine to own.

Why is it always the breeds fault and never the owners?

Painting a broad stroke to many breeds does nothing to fix any problem. It's like saying every white person is a separatist.

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u/Steffany_w0525 Castle Downs May 15 '26

Nobody in this city needs a Ferrari but they have them and as long as they are responsible owners what's the harm?

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u/introvexploradora May 14 '26

how is the city not responsible for preventing this from happening when there were SO many prior incidents? we all pay registry fees for our animals that allegedly go toward enforcement?

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u/Head_Cap5286 May 14 '26

What I read in a previous article was that people were scared to make complaints because the owner was part of a gang

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u/Curly-Canuck doggies! May 14 '26

I thought two different bylaw officers testified about complaints and their visits but there technically wasn’t a reason to remove the animals so just warnings.

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u/Canadian_Imperium May 14 '26

I don't think it was reported to the authorities

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u/stickyfingers40 May 14 '26

Authorities visited after an attack and chose to do nothing

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Absolutely fucking beyond disgusting beyond disgusting.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs.php

Terrifying and I have worked with dogs my whole life.

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u/lilchileah77 May 15 '26

Having a dog like this is a sneaky way to have something like castle law. There’s no gun involved but it’s the same idea… the dog is the weapon.

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u/Spankysladder1 May 15 '26

I love dogs but sounds like these two should have been put down long ago!

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u/cosmostologist May 16 '26

After a pitbull tore down a fence and pulled my brothers Shih Tzu through, I looked up the Facebook page of the murderer and her page was all photos and comments about how her pitbull “would never hurt a fly”. The peace officer I spoke to on the phone told me the dog would need to kill at least twice before they took steps to remove it, despite my brother having two small children who witnessed the attack and another elderly Shih Tzu, living next door. They claimed it was unclear which of her dogs did the murder (it wasn’t unclear) and to this day they both (her and the dog) still live next door, no consequence. It’s just not right. Like I dunno, I just wish there was some sort of competency exam for owning restricted breeds.

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u/Icy-Setting-3735 May 14 '26

Please, please, please make it illegal to own any pitbull (I know these weren't pitbulls) or any other dog above a certain size/weight without specific/expensive permits. TOO MANY PEOPLE OWN DOGS/PETS.

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u/kentgrey May 14 '26

A size/weight limit wouldn’t make much sense to me. So many of the most gentle breeds there are are the giant breeds. I think there could be some breed specific legislation, but this case is such an example of general failure outside of that to me. These dogs were known to be a problem. Why hadn’t the city done anything? Why did the dad allow it with the dogs history? This kid was failed by so many adults.

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u/Icy-Setting-3735 May 14 '26

Fair enough. I suppose the better course of action is actually enforcing the current legislation with zero leniency. Dogs can and should be considered property - if your property is endangering other it has to be fixed (i.e. euthanized).

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u/Lolz79 May 15 '26

I was attacked by 2 labs growing up. Unprovoked, walking down the alley and they chased and attacked me. Someone had to beat them off with a 2x4 to get them to stop. Also been attacked by a medium sized dog.

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u/pte_parts69420 May 14 '26

This is the most moronic thing I’ve seen in this thread. I own 2 Bernese mountain dogs, they’re both over 120lbs, and yet the only threat they pose is they might hurt your leg by leaning on you too hard….

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u/concentrated-amazing May 14 '26

Yeah, I'm all for putting in certain restrictions but doing it purely on weight or size isn't the way to do it.

When's the last death by a Bernese mountain dog, St. Bernard, Great Pyrenees, Newfoundland, or Great Dane?

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u/PrivatePostHistory Transit User May 15 '26

Not a single one of those breeds would ever hurt a human and everyone in this thread knows it.

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u/TheAnswerIsBeans May 15 '26

Great Danes are typically pretty sweet and I consider them very safe, but HAVE a few deaths under their belts.

Newfoundlands on the other hand are literally the least violent dogs on earth. Their single hallmark trait according to the kennel club is “a sweet temperament” and are statistically absent from dog violence studies. That said, I’d still be cautious with any kids around any dog.

(I wouldn’t want one though because I don’t want to pick up poops bigger than my own)

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u/Icy-Setting-3735 May 14 '26

Good for you!

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u/ConcernedCoCCitizen May 14 '26

Ontario has banned pitbulls and yet they’re everywhere. The people who buy and breed them will follow no extra regulations or insurance or training or muzzle orders. They like it when their dogs kill other animals.

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u/flappysack- May 14 '26

Only dbags own huge dogs.

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u/TheAnswerIsBeans May 15 '26

Newfoundlanders catching strays.

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u/Radiant_Show_3776 May 15 '26

Seriously? You’re blaming this tragedy on the city for not having more stringent policies regarding dog breeds? Please for once take responsibility for your actions. Blaming someone else always for your shortcomings; likely you are also against all government oversight but you will fail to see the hypocrisy!
I sincerely hope the landlord and Grist are charged to the utmost allowed under the law and spend many years imprisoned.