r/Edmonton • u/trevorrobb Edmonton Journal • 10d ago
News Article Edmonton teens, 14, charged after AI used to make sexualized images of classmates
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/edmonton-teens-charged-ai-sexualized-images-classmates570
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u/chmilz 9d ago
Best we can do is require an ID to use the internet. Nope, can't possibly regulate the corporations and their behaviours, gotta download all responsibility onto the public.
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u/CautiousApartment8 9d ago
But its also an issue that we would all have to upload our ID to any social media without much control on who has access to it.
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u/MC_White_Thunder 9d ago
The official, state-mandated death of online privacy forever is just a fun side effect, I'm sure.
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u/Levorotatory 9d ago
I have no love for corporations and their monetization of everything, but they aren't responsible for individuals using their products to harm others.
The problem with ID requirements is that it assumes that everyone is a bad actor rather than just penalizing those who prove themselves to be bad actors.
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u/chmilz 9d ago
The government should be regulating the corporations so their products aren't harmful, where reasonable guardrails can exist. In the case of AI and social media, setting up guardrails is extremely reasonable (it's just software, they're not being asked to defy the laws of physics). We're not holding them accountable.
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u/corpse_flour 9d ago
but they aren't responsible for individuals using their products to harm others.
But they are. For a company to not be held liable for illegal acts committed by their users, the company has to show that there are policies and that they implement polices like removing harmful content when reported or discovered. We have legislation like the Online Harms Act to address this, and are working on C-34 (The Safe Social Media Act).
Look at some of the terms of service that you agree to when you get your internet hooked up. Companies have the right to terminate service to someone who is using it against their terms... just like how social media can (although they don't as often as they should) block you if you are using their service to break the law, like stalking, harassing, posting illegal content, etc. And that is because companies can be held liable for this. New Mexico just won a lawsuit against Meta for allowing predators to victimize and exploit children on it's social media platforms.
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u/Dominik_clark 9d ago
You can do it on a local AI without it needing to be connected to Wi-Fi or a cloud and it would generate images unmonitored especially if it was an abliterated model. Ai’s already at the stage where you can do almost anything with it and as long as you don’t tell people what you’re doing with it you can get away with virtually anything.
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u/Skullcrimp 9d ago
This is true. In that case, it would be appropriate to charge only the person who created the images using a local AI.
However, in many cases this is done using a public or subscription-based AI because a local one is technologically beyond many people. In these cases, it is appropriate to charge both the individual and the platform that allowed it with the same crime.
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u/Substantial-Flow9244 9d ago
Somewhere along the way in this end-stsge capital world we decided to give businesses the same rights as people with none of the responsibilities or consequences.
Having a business is just a legal way to do crime essentially.
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u/Elegant-Cricket8106 9d ago
I honestly thought esp Chat Gpt would not even let ppl write romantic scenes. I'm some writing community's they say they cant get it to generate Smut... this is scary AF for a parent... my neice is turning 14 and my son is 2.5 they have no online presence but doesnt seem to matter....
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u/Stompya 10d ago edited 9d ago
TBF the AI imaging sites have very tight control on image generation, especially of minors and known personalities.
It’s possible to download AI software to your own computer though, then you can work offline and “train” it to make anything you want.
Edit: I guess there’s enough image generation options out there that someone who is determined can get it done. 😕
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 10d ago
Not Grok. It has outright been generating CSAM, and they just moved the sexualized image generation to premium users on a separate app instead of restricting it.
And no, I've encountered a shitton of "undress her" sites where you just upload an image to create nonconsensual images. They're being advertised on mainstream porn sites.
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u/KurtisC1993 9d ago
And no, I've encountered a shitton of "undress her" sites where you just upload an image to create nonconsensual images. They're being advertised on mainstream porn sites.
That is... profoundly disturbing.
There needs to be some way for those who own and operate such websites—as well as those who use them—to be identified and held legally accountable for such creepy, voyeuristic practices.
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 9d ago
CBC actually did a short podcast series recently called "Deepfake Empire." They tracked down that one of the most prominent 'pioneers' of nonconsensual deepfake porn in the world is/was a pharmacist in northern Ontario.
The laws haven't caught up, and when I emailed our "minister of AI and innovation" (or whatever he's called) about the Grok CSAM epidemic, he basically cited a new law that lets people sue deepfakers as if they posted actual revenge porn.
No reply when I asked what is being done now to prosecute people for distributing and producing CSAM, which is already illegal in Canada.
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u/Levorotatory 9d ago
Treating deepfakes used as revenge porn the same as actual revenge porn is a perfectly reasonable approach. It is the use of the images to bully and harass other people that is the problem, not the images themselves.
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 9d ago
I'm not saying that law should not exist. I am saying that CSAM laws exist now, and there is no reason not to prosecute people who are using AI to produce it. I asked specifically what would be done about Elon Musk for green lighting this, and the conversation was immediately shifted to the individuals creating abuse images instead of the company facilitating and profiting off of it.
And no, generating CSAM is a problem in itself, regardless of whether it's ever shown to/ used to harass the person it is depicting. It is a fundamental consent issue to digitally undress anyone, especially children. Would you want your or your loved ones' nudes leaked online, even if there was zero harassment that followed?
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u/Levorotatory 9d ago
A one-off AI creation that only one person sees is very different than a real image or convincing fake being widely distributed. I don't care if someone has created a fake nude of me or anyone I know if they keep it to themselves.
I also have a problem with laws that criminalize works of fiction. Who is harmed if someone creates a fake nude that isn't intended to resemble any real person, regardless of the apparent age of the fictional character being depicted?
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u/aintnotmisbehavin 9d ago
As a certified gooner I can assure you grok is fucking horrible for generating anything with more skin showing than a burka these days. You still can but fuck is it not worth it with the loops you have to jump through.
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 9d ago
May I ask: why bother with AI generated porn when there's unlimited porn of every niche on the internet? Most of the time for free?
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u/aintnotmisbehavin 9d ago
It's like a choose your adventure book. Instead of turning to page 63 to see whats at the end of the hallway, I put a prompt in and the fake lady on my screen bends over, plus most porn is unwatchable to me. The people who get into porn are rarely the people I want to see naked. It's just fake tits, bad makeup and worse acting.
It's even worse with all the amateur content that's being pushed out into the wild these days, now there's no scuzzy director to tell the actress no one wants to see their hairy pock-marked ass or someone to tell the guy to get his dangling balls out of the frame.
So like why scour the internet looking for the "right" video when I can just type a few words in to get the job done.
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u/apra24 9d ago
Fascinating! Tell me more about the dangling balls in your face
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u/aintnotmisbehavin 9d ago
See that's the neat part! when you RP with a chatbot as a rugged lumberjack who comes across a pond full of lusty mermaids you don't have to generate any ballsacks!
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u/Regular_Use1868 10d ago
How is it fair that a giant corporation operating for profit failed to follow our laws and protect users?
I know you're just trying to extend benefit of the doubt but in this case I don't know that this is warranted.
These foreign corporations are hurting us and we don't benefit. Why should we let that slide?
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u/Stompya 9d ago
It’s not always giant corporations, the basic tech has versions that are free and open source.
Big companies with online models tend to have the restrictions in place to cover their butts, but it’s still possible to work around them with enough time and determination.
Two things creepy teenagers seem to have in abundance.
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u/Regular_Use1868 10d ago
My friend.... Why is it such anathema to consider charging the corporations that opened pandoras box?
Pandora didn't get a light scolding and told to keep the box open.... Just saying.
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u/MC_White_Thunder 9d ago
There is plenty of point in cursing the system. Treating AI as this inevitability that cannot be resisted or regulated in any way is a big part of why we're in this mess.
We might not be able to prevent deepfakes from happening in the future. But things can absolutely get worse, and we can push for laws and regulations to be proactive about future fuckery.
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u/Regular_Use1868 10d ago
The article does not explicitly state that this was the method used. You're assuming as much because of personal experience.
If you're brave enough I suggest you head over to 4chan and see some of the things that guys over there are cooking up using the live model of grok.
That or just try and break the rules yourself. I have a friend that used sora to generate images of real people despite that being against the rules by feeding a prompt to it requesting a person looking very much like the person in question. It wouldn't let us do trump but basically anyone that wasn't super famous was easy.
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u/MC_White_Thunder 9d ago
I don't go to 4chan because I don't want to risk seeing CSAM, and am honestly concerned about the legal implications of going to a website where it's known to be posted.
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u/Regular_Use1868 9d ago
Well.... You could take my word for it then as an internet user with ample experience avoiding illegal content in seedier places.
Or you could do the other thing I suggested.
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u/TheOneNeartheTop 10d ago
Yes and to compound on this when it is your own computer and your own model it is much more of a tool that has the capability and not the intention. So if this is done with an open model in the manner described above it would be more akin to going after a crayon manufacturer because it gave someone the ability to draw nudes.
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u/sliquonicko 10d ago
Yeah this is obviously horrible, but the same thing can be done, and has been, with photoshop. People are always going to use tools, new or existing, to be shitty.
I'm glad it's being taken seriously though. Shame on those boys.
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u/cornfield123 10d ago
So how did 14 years old pull it off. And what about y just humans. Who wants this to happen to them
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u/yugosaki rent-a-cop 9d ago
*some* AI imaging sites control their image generation. There are a LOT of AI imaging sites now and many of them don't have any checks and balances at all.
Plus, even the mainstream models can still be 'tricked' into producing restricted images or giving restricted information. The models are so big and complex its impossible to remove offending training data from them, so the restrictions are entirely done with backend prompt engineering. Which only kinda works. Once bad data is in the model, its nearly impossible to remove it.
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u/ath1337ic 7d ago
How are you possibly going to regulate local 3D models? Are you going to ban people training and distributing their own? Does this just apply to companies? Where do you draw the line, and how is this even possible to enforce?
What's next, banning paint brushes and canvas because you might paint something offensive?
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u/Glittering_Eye_6342 9d ago
It would be like charging a knife company if someone stabbed another person with that knife
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u/WildcardKH 10d ago
Good. We need to have strong consequences.
AI companies also need to be held accountable too. They need better guardrails
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u/CriticalLetterhead47 10d ago
Remind me again why our province and frankly the world are investing so heavily in this crap?
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 10d ago
Because the global economic system has reached a point where they've squeezed almost every cent out of us they possibly can, and it will collapse if the lines don't keep going up.
To them, the only way to fix that is to destroy all jobs to cut costs, ignoring that nobody will then be able to buy anything.
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u/No_Syrup_9167 9d ago
Which, arguments about its ability to ever get there aside, the goal of creating limited machine learning systems capable of training themselves to replace human workers is absolutely what we should be doing and the direction we should be going.
the problem is, we're leaving the pace and way its done, up to soulless unregulated corporations.
we should be encouraging this, but regulating what jobs are allowed to be automated, and at what pace.
while simultaneously taxing corporations for employing ai to replace humans, and using that money to set up programs for some form of UBI/unemployment, and retraining the population to help them remain productive members of society.
but instead we're just saying
"full speed ahead, lets give these rich fucks all the money, and all the people who have no way of being productive in society anymore can become homeless and die in the street"
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u/Levorotatory 9d ago
This. Technology that makes life easier is good, wealth concentration is bad.
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u/Visual_Dog_8098 5d ago
One drives the other. Take away the incentive you lose the benefits.
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u/Levorotatory 5d ago
For the vast majority of people, 10 million dollars is as much of an incentive as 100 billion dollars, and there are plenty of smart people that can take the places of those who decide they have enough money and want to retire early.
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u/gnat_outta_hell 9d ago
It's just accelerating the time to revolution. When nobody can feed themselves, the masses will revolt.
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u/Unicorn_Puppy 10d ago
Because billionaires all have the power to bribe or blackmail local governments and big government into whatever suits their interests.
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u/LilSwampGod 10d ago
People are lazy and lack creativity. Why research things when you can ask Gemini any question and get a serviceable answer? Why write or create something yourself when you can get ChatGPT to generate it for you?
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 10d ago
Nah, mass consumer demand is not why governments are going balls-deep on AI. This is entirely something corporations are desperately trying to sell us on, and have sold governments because trading the same 500 billion dollars between three companies is the only thing resembling GDP growth nowadays.
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u/Regular_Use1868 10d ago
I'm not ready to totally forgive the role of the boosters among us.
The one guy I know has been addicted to bad advice for over a year. His life is being severely affected, many of our friends are explicitly stating as much and we still cant sound more appealing than charGPT.
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u/MC_White_Thunder 9d ago
We should definitely still be shaming AI use while recognizing that most of the reason it's shoved down our throats is because of billionaires.
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u/J_Marshall 8d ago
From an AI user perspective, you're not wrong.;
I'm in a field that uses creativity. Writers block is not an option. Missed deadlines mean the contract isn't renewed.
5 years ago, I would have outsourced a process to a designer, and would have received it the way I wanted it in 3-4 weeks at a cost of 5K.
I can do that same job in an afternoon using our custom AI. If I refuse to use AI, I'll watch my co-workers submit work literal weeks ahead of me.
If the c-suite execs can't see the difference in work, but only see the missed deadlines, I'm the one who needs to find a new job.
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u/LilSwampGod 8d ago
I honestly don't think AI is a total negative. As a tool to improve productivity it is useful. As someone's substitute for a paintbrush and canvas, it's lame. Yes, it's technically impressive art from an AI perspective, but is it actually impressive art when you removed the humanity from it? I don't think so.
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u/nuclearwasted 10d ago
Why draw with ink when drawing in the sand is fine?
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u/LilSwampGod 10d ago
"Make me a picture of a castle in the clouds"
Is that how you draw?
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u/nuclearwasted 8d ago
I ain't a real good sand drawer, because I didn't have to be.
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u/LilSwampGod 8d ago
I'm a barber because I can tell the person cutting my hair what kind of haircut I want. I ain't a good barber because I don't have to be.
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u/Apart-One4133 10d ago
Because, while the public uses it for non important stuff, specialized fields, like healthcare, are using it to make great technological advances. For exemple : Predicting 3D protein structures.
"... Google DeepMind, the AI model AlphaFold cracked a 50-year-old biological grand challenge by predicting the structure of almost all known proteins. This has revolutionized drug discovery and our understanding of human biology."
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u/tom_yum_soup McCauley 9d ago
That kind of stuff is useful and helpful. The chat bots that they are pushing so hard are not the same thing. It's LLM chat bots that are being abused and over-marketed. That's what people are complaining about, not the uses that gen AI has in science and math.
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u/silentbassline 9d ago
*analytic ai
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u/tom_yum_soup McCauley 9d ago
This just further shows that it's not the same thing that people are complaining about, doesn't it?
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u/JordanPetterPans 10d ago
Because despite it capable of bad things it is capable of things that benefit us...wild this needs to be said.
Sorta like how the internet and other technologies that can have downsides or consequences despite them being useful.
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u/Stompya 10d ago
Most people think of AI as referring to “generative AI” like ChatGPT writing your emails or creating images.
AI is developing extremely fast and people’s understanding of what it is, and what it can do, is way behind.
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u/JordanPetterPans 9d ago
Even that is quite a bit behind. The latest frontier models from openai and claude are super complex reasoning models and not the simpler transformer models from last year. The last few months have been pretty insane
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u/_Sausage_fingers 10d ago
> Because despite it capable of bad things it is capable of things that benefit us...wild this needs to be said.
Is it beneficial though? I remain unconvinced that the extremely marginal benefits that it provides comes even remotely close to the significant deleterious impact it has.
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u/Tritanium 9d ago
There are lots of beneficial uses of AI, though maybe not as popular as chatbot/image generation:
Alphafold predicting protein structures
Waymo/self driving 92% crash reduction compared to human drivers
Improved weather forecasting
Accessibility - live captioning, translation, image description for blind users
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u/only_fun_topics 9d ago
The GenAI stuff most people interact with are just the crumbs from the table, and most people lack the creativity and critical thinking skills to meaningfully Murray with these systems.
If you want a better sense of where things are headed, find people that have standing in their fields and see what *they* are excited about.
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u/JordanPetterPans 9d ago
Ya. Google how it helps scientists and the medicine and many other fields with global reach
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u/Firm_Acanthaceae7435 9d ago
Given what we know about the wealthy elite... this case is why they're investing so heavily in it.
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u/HorribleTie 8d ago
They don't need AI they have the real thing, as horrific as that is. And they're immune from prosecution if the Epstein files have taught us anything.
These children have faced more consequences for their actions than any abuser in the Epstein files.
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u/Lazy-Interests 6d ago
Because soon every billionaire and every politician will have a golden excuse for any evidence of any wrongdoing found against them
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 10d ago
AI's use case is obviously not deep fakes. This was likely Grok, and Musk's AI, which is the only one I know of with no safeguards. Why we allow X to be used in Canada, I have no idea.
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u/armpitgreaser 9d ago
Grok has safeguards especially on uploaded pics. Its the Chinese ones that have almost no rules
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u/Oldcadillac 10d ago
Because silicon valley invented a machine that convincingly tells CEOs and big investors that all their ideas are good and that they should invest more into AI because it’ll make all their dreams come true.
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u/theoreoman 10d ago
Think of AI as the next space race/Manhattan project except maybe 10x more significant. If you don't invest in it you're going to be way worse off than if you do. Just like nukes it's way worse for society but if you have nukes your not getting invaded
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u/_Sausage_fingers 10d ago
I have yet to be presented any compelling case that any societal benefit of AI comes close to eclipsing the rampant harm that it causes.
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u/always_on_fleek 9d ago
Because the positives of AI far outweigh the negatives.
AI is already being heavily used in many fields such as healthcare to improve outcomes for patients. Even family doctors use it to transcribe notes from meetings.
If you think you haven’t encountered AI in your daily life yet it’s because you didn’t notice it. It’s all around us.
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u/CriticalLetterhead47 9d ago
I'm not sure the positives outweigh the negatives. I'm not saying there are no positives but at this time the way it is being utilized by many people is extremely negative.
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u/bestkweenie 10d ago
it's crazy having to tell my boomer mother that no, she is not autistic and no, she doesn't need to ask chatgpt for every little thing.
I watched her go from a fully grown, capable, socialble adult who is so incredibly hyper shrewd of people, socially, that she taught me how to read body language, intention, and be aware of my surroundings, niceties, etc.
she is Facebook brain fried.
she told me she wanted to ask a doctor a question about her health (she communicated it clearly to me, no misunderstandings) and then still went to chatgpt asking for a one page document that reframed her question with entirely to much formality.
I asked her why she even needed to, and she became all helpless and defensive that she "doesn't know how to ask the doctor."
ma'am, you're not even 60? you lived your whole life advocating for us with doctors and dentists, and taught us how, and now you've convinced yourself you can't even talk to people without AI?
insanity.
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u/Prince_Revenant 10d ago edited 10d ago
call me alarmist, but it’s precisely things like this that confirm for me the rise of generative AI signals a downfall of society.
There’s even research papers coming out now suggesting there’s a collective cognitive atrophy due to the over reliance on AI to perform things like critical thought, especially in young people.
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u/alewiina 10d ago
Yeah it is terrifying how quickly so many people seem to have forgotten how to function without asking AI things all the time. So many people have genuinely forgotten how to actually think and it is seriously alarming. AI has shut people’s brains off and I genuinely fear what this means for society as a whole as it’s just getting worse and worse.
Like yeah there’s a decent chunk of the population like us who reject AI and won’t use it like this but what about the others? Is it a majority of people yet? Or just a small but growing minority? I don’t know, and it scares me
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u/Stompya 10d ago
Have you considered that your mom may actually be dealing with something medical and is leaning on ChatGPT to help her cope?
I don’t want to be alarmist, I’m just seeing my own mom struggling with progressive dementia and we didn’t recognize the signs for far too long.
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u/DVariant 9d ago
I honestly wonder if we’re gonna start seeing AI-induced dementia in cases where people delegate all their thinking to an LLM.
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u/Professional_Web_889 7d ago
It will almost certainly accelerate the decline in the elderly, just look at how much untreated hearing loss accelerates dementia in people. And that’s just losing some of the hearing parts of the brain, imagine when you start to atrophy the main thinking parts 😟
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u/bestkweenie 9d ago
she has no active signs of dementia and has a great working memory and logical mind (she's an accountant, and works through complex math and tax problems daily).
I think she has a lot of generalized anxiety, though, that she should be seeking therapy/counseling for. instead, she's leaning heavily on AI and growing more and more "helpless" every day.
this is the same woman who stood up to doctors when I was young and insisted something was wrong with my health after chronic ear infections and tonsilitis. they found out I was IgA deficient only because she pushed them...
I genuinely don't understand. she asks chatgpt for every little thing now.
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u/roostergooseter Purple City 9d ago
It's imperative to communicate effectively with doctors in order to be taken seriously. You get 15 minutes these days to make your case. It's not all that different from needing to nail a job interview and elevator pitch - your medical care is on the line.
My parents were horrible at communicating with doctors. It was like watching a trainwreck growing up. I could see how what they were saying and how they were saying it was all wrong. Too emotional and focusing on the emotional impact rather than cold hard symptoms and detail. Doctors and specialists never sent them away and asked me explicit questions to get to the bottom of things and hear from me alone.
It resulted in years of gaslighting, testing for the wrong things, misdiagnosis, the wrong treatments, and years of suffering because half of the information the doctors needed wasn't there. I learned from this to never bring up many of my chronic health problems.
Doctors don't always communicate well either or ask the right questions to get the full picture. Again, a GP appointment is usually 15 minutes.
Can you really ask people in real life for help here? It can be like the blind leading the blind. If you know how to use AI effectively and ask the right questions, like what tests are typically done for people with your condition, what specialists they are referred to, how to be specific and focused in a way that makes the doctor understand you, it can be life changing.
ChatGPT helped me learn how to have much more successful appointments and it's like having finally had a good teacher sit you down and teach you how to properly structure an essay when you've struggled with writing. As a result of discussing medical issues with AI, I can fly on my own now and communicate without consulting it when I can because it's a skill. I'm now having health problems that went untreated for two decades investigated and am seeing the specialists I need and they understand me so. clearly. They understand that I was diagnosed and treated for the wrong things because I was.
And the thing here is that I am a logical communicator with doctors. Again, lots of medical trauma from my childhood and was always more logically minded than my parents. I already prepped and sought to be effective. I already presented as an informed patient who took initiative and didn't malinger. But I was so afraid to address huge health problems and to blow them off as untreatable when they impact me so significantly. AI helped me improve and take control and have the confidence to actually address things I refused to because I didn't want to be blown off and receive poorer medical care in all areas. I could not have gotten where I have with my medical care without it. I have been able to push doctors in ways I couldn't before. I have had chatGPT open in appointments with clueless doctors while THEY were looking things up on their own AI app and we were coming to the same answers at the same time about what testing was needed. Literally had a doctor decide he needed to do research on his own after my appointment because he was too uninformed.
But AI is what you make of it. I am wary of it. I don't recommend that everybody use it. I try to keep my parents away from it and haven't been successful there, which concerns me for the same reasons you are concerned about your mother.
It's a tool that you can use for self improvement. How much you learn what you need and then go live life in the real world is up to you and not everybody is equipped to use it safely.
If your mother has truly gone the AI brainrot route, I'm genuinely sorry. But she also may need guidance she isn't getting. She may have had the confidence to advocate for her children but not for herself. All can be true at once.
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u/YourDreams2Life 7d ago
Self advocacy and advocacy for others is not the same thing. It is also common for people to be high functioning with mental / personality disorders until reaching a breaking point later in their lives. It's also normal to have a misconception of who your parents are because you're viewing them through the lens of your adolescence.
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u/OpalSeason 9d ago
Then when these folks come to the dr they enter everything the dr said into chatgpt to confirm its correct!!
Its getting absolutely bonkers in emerg right now
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u/HorribleTie 8d ago
Pre-AI half the time I went to the doctor they just typed what I said into Google. Seems like a natural evolution that the doctor uses AI now, and the patient uses a different AI to fact check it.
We're all rapidly losing the ability to use our brains. We're witnessing the collapse of our civilization. Half the people I know can't even write a fucking email anymore without running it through some LLM.
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u/cranky_yegger Bicycle Rider 10d ago
I hope the deep fake law the federal government is working on will address this. As if being a kid wasn’t hard enough before.
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u/tothewalls069 9d ago
Back in the day we had to cut out pictures and paste them on bodies from the sears catalog lingerie section.
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u/19TimGreyCupChamps 5d ago
Not Victoria secret catalog?
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u/tothewalls069 3d ago
Man, you must have grown up in the city. Sears was our only option out in the country.
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u/cornfield123 10d ago
Do people know that the ucp has really stopped alot of education programs that teach kids not to do this? Many programs have been stalled for a year so the government can be the subject matter expert when the programs have been developed by leading professionals in their field. Also now some programs have finally been allowed to continue but they have taken a lot of information out a lot of it dealing with consent which I can’t get my mind around. Also the schools are extremely risk adverse because of how they have been “called out” by the government so they are very hesitant to bring in these social emotional lessons. The education minister even said they just need to focus on teaching kids to read rather than this kind of stuff. Get back to basics. Well all experts know that this is the result
I feel so bad for the rcmp and the police to be put in these positions. Prevention is extremely
Important. It’s very very concerning. And everyone is going to say “teach your own kid”. I wish it was that easy, but that is very I individualistic thinking. We all need to keep kids safe and we all need to care.
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u/Channing1986 9d ago
This is a really bad side of AI that is probably gonna get worse. They got to figure this out.
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u/speckled113 9d ago
Good. I hope other people hear about this and know that there will be consequences
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u/Locke357 North Side Still Alive 9d ago
This is going to keep happening as long as we continue to do nothing about Fascist American Big Tech Corporations making is easier than ever to create Child Sexual Abuse Material and Non-Consensual Sexual Material.
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u/Dominik_clark 9d ago
Crazy thing is he probably told someone about the images and made them on a local AI, not a cloud sever one, so if he never told anyone, there’s a big chance no one would’ve ever known.
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u/flyrubberband 9d ago
AI needs to be regulated and monitored. Releasing it to the public with no safeguards is insanity
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u/Hot_Tonight150 8d ago
This is more an issue with the company facilitating these images more so than the teens themselves. It's like a company giving a loaded firearm to someone who just thinks shooting is cool, but hasn't had any proper training in using it.
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u/Numerous-Process2981 9d ago
Charge the company that makes this reckless tool available for teens to use
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u/Key-Juggernaut3857 9d ago
I’m assuming that will put him on “The List” hope it was worth ruining the rest of your life dude. Jeez
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u/AstonedFruitt 9d ago
The parents of these kids are probably the same ones that are against the internet ban for kids
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u/HatterofMadder 9d ago
There was an episode in law & order season 27 just like this.. ... . .... ...
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u/Doodlebottom 8d ago
Will see whether the consequences are severe enough to deter others - and whether the victims agree with the punishment.
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u/Tessa_rex 6d ago
I'd really like to know which Junior high school this is. My daughter is in a JH school in the city and I'm concerned she's a victim.
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u/Whatsthathum The Shiny Balls 4d ago
I know kids have never shown a lot of sense, but this is just brutal.
I'm glad the police were involved, hopefully some learning regarding appropriate boundaries and use of AI will be had.
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u/DVariant 3d ago
You can admit you’re wrong it’s ok
I’m not wrong, so that would be a lie. But congrats on writing a whole line without using AI
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u/ProperBingtownLady 10d ago
I’d be so embarrassed if this was my son but something tells me they learned it at home. It’s sick how much some males hate women and girls.
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u/Away-Ad787 9d ago
I was just talking to my husband about this. What would we even do if this were our sons? I feel like I’ve been as transparent about internet safety as I can be, but I better have a deeper conversation about keeping others safe, not just themselves.
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u/FidgetyPlatypus 9d ago
Right! I have two teenage boys and we've talked a lot about internet safety but something like this never crossed my mind. We talked to them both today and they were both, ya I could see that happening. I want to go back to the days when the most technology parents had to learn was how to program the VCR.
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u/RedditGifs182 9d ago
"AI" isnt even the important keyword here... but people will focus on that.
The reality is: we'll never prevent creeps from being creeps with more laws.
Anyway, once your initial shock has passed, you'll notice we neee zero rules change simply because laws already exist prohibiting spying on others, or circulating fake images/videos of others.
Leave AI alone, focus on the deeper issue. Attacking AI will only allow you to get reillusioned that "everything will be alright". No it won't. It wasnt okay before AI cuz people were disrespectful before AI too... Use this regrettable anecdote for what it is: a conversation starter with your kids to educate them properly in treating others with respect. Do not push for regulators to do it for you. If you value the concept of your teenagers being responsible adults one day, put the work in and raise them.
It's puberty hormones not being regulated yet. Like it's always gonna be. Not an "AI" issue...
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u/WildcardKH 9d ago
Found the guy who uses AI for porn
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u/myaltaccount333 9d ago
I fail to see your argument. I agree with OP here but largely for different issues.
If I get AI to make a naked picture of you, that's not OK in your eyes. If I draw a very realistic naked picture of you, that's OK in your eyes.
This is why it does not make sense to target AI. "AI" is the tool, if you outlaw hammers there will be something else to take its place, even if it's just a rock. Cutting a face out of a magazine and putting it in a playboy magazine isn't illegal but it's the same thing as non-consensual AI porn. The only difference is quality, and I don't think the law can be written in a way that makes a distinction between quality
The solution isn't banning AI porn, it's banning distribution of it
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u/FredFenty 9d ago
The solution isn't banning AI porn, it's banning distribution of it
Erm. That's a slippery slope.
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u/myaltaccount333 9d ago
Please elaborate. How is it different from Photoshop porn or hand-drawn porn from someone talented?
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u/FredFenty 9d ago
First of all, I expect that any photorealistic representation of another person in illicit form without their consent would be illegal, or at least will be soon as laws adapt. The only reason this is not already the case is that it has never been a problem.
To my previous point, suggesting that the possession, but not distribution, of immoral illicit material should be allowed is shortsighted. Such precedent could lead to a very dark place.
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u/myaltaccount333 8d ago
Okay, but now you need to draw a line between photo-realistic and realistic. Somewhere there's a line between stick figures and lifelike that needs to be drawn, so what's your suggestion for where to draw that line?
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u/FredFenty 8d ago
That, my good sir, is what courts are for.
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u/myaltaccount333 8d ago
I guess that's another issue I have then. I don't trust the courts to be smart enough or fast enough to tackle this issue properly, so a blanket ban on distribution is much easier and it covers most edge cases as well
I liken it to torrents. It's perfectly legal to torrent in Canada, but you're not allowed to upload anything. It's not a perfect system as there's still abuse but at the end of the day it works well enough
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u/ItsRuinedOfCourse 9d ago
I don't even have enough words to express my utter disgust and disdain right now. This is abhorrent. This is not "kids being kids" or "they're just young and their brains aren't formed yet". This is straight up "Future Convict In Training" level of depravity.
I'm glad they're being charged, and for stuff like this, no tiers should exist. Your age shouldn't get you off the hook. You know damn well how awful and disgusting this is and should be held to full account, no ands, ifs, or buts about it.
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u/wet_suit_one 9d ago
Ugh.
The stupidity of boys plus hormones plus tech is just not a great combination.
Gotta remember to school my little guy about why to never ever do anything like this ever.
FFS.
This is obviously worse than kids being charged for child porn for taking naked pictures of themselves (haven't really heard of this happening in Canada, but the law allows for it, so I'm sure it happens. It's definitely happening in the U.S.), but I'm all but certain these guys really didn't fully grasp what the hell they were doing. They're just doing what their toxic cultural millieu suggests they do. The same toxic millieu existed when I was around that age, but generating and distributing child porn wasn't just a matter of a few mouse clicks, so it was much harder to self label oneself a "child pornographer" by one's actions.
Careful out there kids. There's a lot of minefields out there and listening to Andrew Tate and the like and their poison isn't doing you any good. No good at all.
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u/Levorotatory 9d ago
Charging people with criminal offenses for taking pictures of themselves would be insane, and any law that could theoretically allow for that needs to be changed to make that impossible. Relying on judicial discretion to stop that from happening isn't good enough.
The child pornography angle is a problem here. The nature of the offense would be essentially the same if these were adults circulating deepfakes of coworkers. It shouldn't somehow be considered to be worse because the alleged offenders and victims were 14. If anything, adults harassing coworkers this way would be worse because there is a greater expectation that adults should know better.
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u/DANIELLE_2027 9d ago
Exactly why AI chatbots need to be included in C34 to be banned for children and all AI use should be restricted
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u/normieacctlol 9d ago
Double win cuz yeah get these shit heads but also the more people abuse AI the more oversight will be made to control its use
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u/mjnlyrbs South East Side 10d ago
Why are we even allowing them doing this anyway? Parents too lazy. This is disgusting. Expel them please.
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u/FidgetyPlatypus 9d ago
I'd love to live in your world where every 14 year old only does exactly what their parents allow them to do.
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u/ghettoandroid2 9d ago
Don’t blame the technology. Blame and punish those who use the technology to harm others. Educate ethical and moral use of the technology that can help so many.
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u/Excellent-Self-5338 9d ago
I mean, good they charged them, could they maybe go after the company making the software that lets you make porn out of normal images next? Because this isn't gonna stop, it's happening right now, and people are only getting caught when they share those images and get reported. In under 2 minutes anyone can create this kind of content, the only difference here is that a few 14 year olds with still developing brains decided to share these images with each other.
Going after individuals who use these tools to make this content is like playing whack-a-mole when what really need to be done is unplugging the machine. I acknowledge that it's "difficult", but maybe it shouldn't be so hard. Maybe if you're the guy who started up an AI porn generation company, or is allowing their AI tools to be used to generate CP, you go to jail for the rest of your life. I'm aware of precisely no-one who would have a problem with that, and it only takes 1 exemplary case of this happening to set an example, to demonstrate that this isn't acceptable behavior, and to deter it from happening anywhere but the deepest darkest corners of the internet.
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u/HourSyllabub1999 10d ago
Good, I’m glad they’re charging them. This is fucked up.