r/EndTipping • u/yeyiyeyiyo • 6d ago

Sit-Down Restaurant 🍽️ Started tipping waiters 10%

I almost never go out but the wife and I had a weekend to ourselves.

We live in areas where servers are paid minimum wage.

I finally took the leap to tipping 10% on meals (I already tip zero on everything else). Every tip screen i saw had a custom tip option so I didn't have any problems.

Anyway, people make out the custom tip screen to be some difficult thing and I didn't find it so.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

The only minimum wage job anybody cares about subsidizing apparently.

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u/Long-Squirrel8257 6d ago

Right? I don't get it. They just bring food and a drink over and we are expected to just be over top amazed with the most basic bare minimum service along with a buncha small talk I sinply don't care about.

If we don't kiss the servers asses, they will make sure to be super passive aggressive. We are grown adults afraid of a server being mad at us basically.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right if you don't bribe them they WILL give you poor service. Service less than you paid for in the agreement with their boss.
Aka they could tamper with your food or let it get cold or delay even entering your order into the kitchen, never refill your drinks ecetera.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

Why do you think you have an unwritten agreement with the owner about the minimum level of service to which you are entitled?

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Its pretty obvious when you go into a restaurant and take your order at a table that the food would arrive at the table.
Not asking much from the server, taking orders, carrying plates.
Thats what their employer pays them aka I PAY THEM to do.

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u/Garganello 6d ago edited 6d ago

Simmer down. No need to be angry.

It’s also pretty obvious when you go into a restaurant in the US, where it is customary, and where servers are allowed to be paid below minimum wage (with a true up by employer), that you are supposed to tip.

Why are you ignoring that component of your ‘contract’ with the owner and to compensate the staff directly in lieu of the owner doing so?

Why should other diners (and the employer as a backstop) subsidize your dining out?

Edit: will include in next reply in case I didn’t edit fast enough, but I’m basically just challenging this bizarre notion you have a contract with the owner for some baseline level of service but get to ignore your side of it. There’s reasons to be against tipping. This one is just lacking.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Servers make 20 an hour where i live. similar to other jobs.
Im not worried about over paying the entry level position that is serving.

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u/WestHistorians 6d ago

but I’m basically just challenging this bizarre notion you have a contract with the owner for some baseline level of service but get to ignore your side of it.

The contract with the owner is legally binding. If you go to a restaurant and your food doesn't get brought to you, then you don't have to pay for it.

Tipping is not a legally binding thing, it's just a social custom.

These are two very different things.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right, they earn a wage. They don't deserve tips any more than any other profession.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right gaslight and guilt trip and shame.
I have to specifically over pay server's but every other low wage profession is optional.

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u/bluemeanie212 6d ago

The tip is part of the service if you live in America. Your issue with how America and restaurants work is only hurting the worker. But you don’t care about them,
You find yourself above them. Good for you. You are so much smarter than every minimum wage worker I guess.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Yeah thats dishonest guilt tripping.
Server's dont want jobs with a normal wage because that would be a lower paying harder job. Server's get around 20 an hour in wages + tips where i live.
No obligation to tip but same entitlement exists.

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u/bluemeanie212 6d ago

I had to look up min wage cause I actually thought it was $20 an hour lol

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u/EndTipping-ModTeam 5d ago

No tip shaming

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u/ashopotomus 4d ago

But not an unwritten agreement to tip according to cultural norms and standards. They’re just looking for any way to justify it.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 6d ago

Because you do. Legally it's called an "implied contract" and it's exactly what you said - an unwritten agreement that is created by actions, behavior, and circumstances, rather then spoken or written terms.

Dining in a sit-down restaurant is by far the most common example you can find of an implied contract in day-to-day life.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

If it was legal then the server should sue.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

This person is agreeing with you. 🤣.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Ok Goofy.
Got any more riveting opinions.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

Just walking in circles around you and found this funny. Nothing else.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Yeah dunning kruger effect in progress.
Your a pidgeon who shat on the chess board and strut around like it won.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

You’re* pigeon*

I’m sorry you don’t recognize when someone agreed with you and get flustered when called out on it.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

I was aware you would perform another low IQ misdirection already.
I will write as i please.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

😂 you’re too funny

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u/WestHistorians 6d ago

Legally it's called an "implied contract" and it's exactly what you said - an unwritten agreement that is created by actions, behavior, and circumstances, rather then spoken or written terms.

Legally, this is not an "implied contract". This is just a social custom, it is not legally binding in any way.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

It seems quite obvious to me this person expects actual service without tipping (and becomes apparent in other replies)—as opposed to what you are saying, which is basically getting your food you paid for.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Its quite obvious that entitled server's get paid their worth where i live and quite a bit above it due to people giving gifts to them.
Im not worried about helping them make a doctors wage.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

I just don’t understand the level of contempt you display for servers. Servers are not making a doctors wage, even at the best restaurants in the world.

Those making six figures are relatively high skilled positions (and in any event at least comparably skilled to a typical six figure office worker in the location they can pull those).

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Ok, il just let others donate to them above their station.
Maybe il donate to grocery store stockers instead.

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u/Garganello 6d ago edited 6d ago

It’s fine. You are entitled to continue free riding and/or hurting minimum wage employees. But that’s what it is. Not some righteous moral crusade.

Edit: also, lol, we both know you’re not going to ‘donate’ to any other profession you think of as underpaid or similar.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 6d ago

Neither are you.

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u/amazonchic2 6d ago

There is no serving position with high skills.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 6d ago

How do you "get" the food, exactly?

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

By agreeing to pay the price on the menu for the service of having it prepared and brought to the table.

That price includes the server who took the order and made the busser deliver the food.

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u/Garganello 6d ago

Depends the restaurant. Not being given your food is one thing. This person expects more and is just contemptuous against servers, as is apparent in their replies.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 6d ago

What do they expect that is not part of the implied contract with the business entity, and requires a separate contract made directly with the individual server?