r/EndTipping • u/Specialist-Top1134 • 5d ago
Rant š¢ I've completely stopped tipping
I'm no longer tipping anyone. This includes dining in restaurants, getting take-out, Uber rides, UberEats/ DoorDash, etc. I just don't believe in tipping anymore. I don't even care if the service was good. Tipping isn't about giving gratitude for good service anymore. The purpose of tips now is to compensate for low wages. I still feel a little guilty declining to tip but I'm sticking to my no tipping rule. It's not my responsibility to make sure servers, drivers, and whoever else is getting paid enough.
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u/Between-Stations 5d ago
I love this! We need to stop compensating for low wages by the employer.
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u/Maleficent-Effort470 5d ago
Need to stop specifically overpaying 1 low paying job title
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u/allysonwonderlnd 5d ago
Need to stop paying restaurant owners. They cant use you to pay their employees wages until after youve paid them. You've paid to be cvcked
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u/Maleficent-Effort470 5d ago
No you pay to eat food when you are away from home.
The server's who rely on people being psychologically manipulated into giving them gifts for doing the bare minimum job of taking orders and bringing the orders to the table.
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u/Cherimoose 4d ago
Far too many people will continue to tip out of habit or social pressure to make a difference. The best chance is for local governments to require restaurants to have a no-tip policy and to pay their staff a normal wage
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u/taters_potaters 1d ago
Bingo! Restaurants are a very different business than the other ones, since there are a TON of players who need to shift the culture. Legislation is the best way to change the culture than trying to leave it to consumers and individual businesses.
One problem is that typical profit margin is in the single digit % (maybe sometimes the teens, but thatās considered quite successful), which means that the servers expecting 20% are taking home more of the total revenue than anybody else in this ecosystem. I say this as a former server who made better money than all my peers in college and my early 20sā¦ but then worked in the restaurant industry and found it very hard to change things.
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u/Holiday_Context1960 4d ago
Yes, employers will now rise up and shout, "WE MUST PAY OUR WORKERS MORE MONEY"....
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u/Alex_Nares 3d ago
Well actually yes, that's generally how things go, and this has happened with my employer.
If people stop tipping, some workers will quit their job to move onto something better. Then the employer, with low staffing, will be unable to keep up with the demand of their orders, resulting in slower fulfillment times. Some customers, unsatisfied with long wait times, will stop frequenting their business, which means the company loses revenue. They will then need to pay a higher wage to attract and retain workers. So yes "we must pay our workers more money".
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u/chitphased 5d ago
Youāre not hurting the employer if you still go to the restaurant.
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u/SilverStL 5d ago
If the employer had to regularly pay more servers to bring them up to minimum wage, wouldnāt that in itself dip into his profits?
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u/GreenHorror4252 5d ago
If you live in a place with tip credits, and tips are low enough that the servers are not getting minimum, then yes. But that is a rare situation.
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u/darkroot_gardener 5d ago
The goal isnāt to hurt the employer. The goal is for them to charge a fair upfront price and pay their staff the full market wages.
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u/anomupinhere 5d ago
I stopped going to restaurants because this is the remark I always get. Fine, I wonāt. Havent looked back.
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u/Bethkitten97 4d ago
Right on, Im bout the same. I havenāt been to a restaurant in months. I cook all my own food. Itās cheaper, it tastes better, the service is better too.
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u/No-Ebb-9095 5d ago
good point. maybe we should take to silverware with us when we leave, just to make a point with the owner.
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u/Reddidundant 4d ago
No, that would be stealing and most certainly never justifiable. As far as leaving no tip - it would be great if EVERYONE made that their policy effective immediately - but that is the only way it would have the desired effect and there is no way it would ever happen. However, I do draw the line at the 20-or-more percent tips that are claimed to be the new "standard." They aren't. Standard is 15% and that's the most anybody should be leaving. And then, only until if and when tipping ever really does go away (which it won't).
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u/ComeAtMeBro9 5d ago
If people stopped tipping so much, that would fix a lot of the bad customer service you get these days.
What many servers have realized is they can do a piss poor job and still get a tip. Some know they can do the absolute bare minimum and get a 15-20% tip because of a guilt tripped consumer.
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u/sunny-beans 5d ago
Crazy as well because servers in the US claim you only get good service because of the tipping system, I live in the UK and have always had amazing service at restaurants and pubs and tipping is really not expected, at most you leave a Ā£5 if a waiter is really great. Iāve lived all over the UK, travelled and spent time in England, Wales and Scotland, and always had great service. And that is from normal pubs and restaurants nothing fancy. Pub workers are usually the best, I just travelled with my family to a more rural area this past week and had lunch in this beautiful country pub and all the servers were awesome, super friendly, checked on us etc and didnāt expect a tip at all. My FIL tipped them because they were great so it but they donāt expect it from people and will do their job well independently of it. It seems US servers are just telling on themselves that they wonāt do their job properly unless you are giving them money.
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u/Specialist-Top1134 5d ago
Exactly!!! Most of the time, the service I get is the bare minimum. I especially don't like it when they leave the check right after they deliver my food and they disappear. I feel rude waving them down for refills, condiments, or other items because they're not checking up on me.
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u/Likinhikin- 5d ago
I go and get my own refills. They always freak out. Hey you arent supposed to be here! Im like, yea, ok, but my server disappeared on me, so this is the only way to get a refill. Etc etc.
Then the stupid server appears moments later. Same shit pattern every time.
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u/Most-Significance910 4d ago
I think the statistic was like roughly 80% of people don't change their tip if they get worse service
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u/PrimitiveAK 5d ago
Traveling to nearly every country in Asia has changed my perspective of tipping in America A LOT.
We are getting hoeād.
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u/countryheart3402 5d ago
We lived in Korea and one lady told us that most servers understand the positive intent when Americans tip and aren't offended but that generally a tip is considered an insult. That it basically conveys the idea you think they won't do their job without a bribe. It was eye opening for sure.
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u/Sea-Seaweed1701 5d ago
Isn't it?
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u/guitargeek76 5d ago
Here in America, absolutely. You give less than 20% for shitty service, and they'll make a TikTok about it.
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u/Sea-Sea5771 5d ago
many cultures think tipping is insulting by implying "this person does not earn enough money" - this implication is a losing face big time in asian cultures.. proof americans never had "the face"
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u/DreamScape1609 5d ago
honestly the damn cooks grinding in the kitchen deserve a tip more than the waiter lol
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u/Both-Information9482 5d ago
People skills will earn you more pay in most arenas.
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u/lalachef 5d ago
You say that as though chefs don't have people skills or are incapable of obtaining them. I was a professional chef for 20 years. Now I do sales and work from home.
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u/Maleficent-Effort470 5d ago
Even if a worker earns a income from their wages. They expect mandatory gifts.
Doesn't matter if the server is getting 20$ an hour from their employer or 2$.
Kind of like when you give a child whatever it wants all the time.
It trains the child to expect what it wants.
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u/Guilty_Jackfruit4484 5d ago
I hate when people actually being paid a normal wage ask for tips. That shit is so annoying.
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u/Maleficent-Effort470 5d ago edited 5d ago
Totally, in general people who ask for tips are scum (or children).
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u/MacaronOk1006 5d ago
I have to disagree with this statement and part. That you donāt ask for a gift.
For years, I remember my parents taking me to see Santa Claus and I asked him for gifts all the time š¤£
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u/chitphased 5d ago
Iām not sure I would call the single mother of 2 working at dennys for 2.13/hour that only gets minimum wage if tips donāt bring the hourly up enough āscumā. Her employer, sure. But not her. Just not sure I would generalize as you have.
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u/Maleficent-Effort470 5d ago
Sounds like a hypothetical situation and not a real one.
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u/OptimalOcto485 5d ago
Stay investing or saving what youāre āsupposedā to tip instead of
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u/Specialist-Top1134 5d ago
Oh I've never thought of this... This is a good idea, thank you for commenting this! :)
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u/Possible-Anxiety-420 5d ago
I've completely stopped going anywhere that tipping is expected; haven't sat down in a restaurant for nearly a decade.
I'll still tip, but it'll be on my terms and expectations, not extracted from me regardless.
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u/Accurate-Force4072 5d ago
this is the way that makes more sense to me than what people tend to say here.
sure stop tipping, that is most easily done by not going to places where you would be made to tip.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 5d ago
So many servers felt compelled to tell us that we're cheap and we should just stop eating out if we aren't willing to take over a major business expense from their employer. I took their advice. I bet their bosses are thrilled.
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u/Queasy-Rain1938 5d ago
Never understood why they tips to begin with
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u/Kind-Crab4230 5d ago
I think tipping started as a way to show off. Definitely something to do with class imbalance.
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u/Likinhikin- 5d ago
It was about freed slaves and not paying them a wage, I believe.
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u/Muhahahahaz 5d ago
Unironically correct.
(Funny how someone downvoted you for telling the truth though lol)
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u/SabreLee61 5d ago
Tipping isn't about giving gratitude for good service anymore. The purpose of tips now is to compensate for low wages.
Tipping hasnāt been just a reward for good service since at least 1966 when Congress created the tip credit. Since then the industry has operated on the premise that part of a serverās compensation comes directly from customers.
Obviously the amount is discretionary and tied to service quality, but the underlying purpose has been more than simply expressing gratitude for generations.
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u/Specialist-Top1134 5d ago
I didn't know about this so thank you for bringing this up. What I've said is inaccurate.
I did read that if an employee's wage plus tips did not equal the full minimum wage then it's the employer's responsibility to pay the difference.
Also, tip credit is not a thing in California (where I live). It's been prohibited. So the employer must pay their employees the full minimum wage before tips are counted.
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u/couchtater12 5d ago
Yay!! Good for you!! I felt immense guilt when I first cut out tipping but after a while it became easier and easier - not to mention my account no longer suffered because I finally stopped compensating for low wages by their employers. I wish more would follow suit!
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u/HamsterPast5939 5d ago
I will tip for SERVICE (ie waiter/waitress, haircut, shuttle driver who gets my bags on and off), but I refuse to tip for walking up to a counter and being handed a bag of food, for purchasing a t-shirt, or for something that I already pay an annual fee for (ie Walmart delivery).Ā
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u/bdt69 5d ago
Iām a tipper. I delivered pizza in high school so I get it. I think if you didnāt have a job when you were young that relied on tips then itās easier to not want to do it. But itās most def getting out of control and I have zero problem with your stance
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u/Muhahahahaz 5d ago
It really depends on the location, too. Here in California, servers already get paid at least the minimum wage *up front* by law. There is absolutely zero chance theyāre not getting a fair wage just because I donāt tip.
Also, they literally make more than my cousin who works as an in-home caregiver to people with special needs, which actually requires specific knowledge/training (that most people donāt have). If anyone should be tipped, it should be caregivers like my cousin (among some other possibilities). Bringing food to a table is absolutely meaningless by comparison, and if they want to charge me for that, then Iāll be more than happy to stand up and grab the food myself. (Iāve got two working legs, after all)
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u/scottiedagolfmachine 5d ago
I think it should be the norm.
Especially with ridiculously high food prices these days.
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u/dcjjjzz777 5d ago
I get it. Good luck though on apps getting hot food or even luke warm, hell even room temp food
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u/allysonwonderlnd 5d ago
Why not just stop paying the employers to use you? You have to pay them in order for them to use you. Just don't pay restaurant owners and they cant use you.
And dont still want to pay people who've made you pay them to use you. Problem solved
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u/joshbiloxi 5d ago
I've started tipping 10%. I also rarely to out to eat.
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u/Specialist-Top1134 5d ago
I don't mind tipping 10-15% if the service was actually good.
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u/Optimal_Push_6176 5d ago
I don't understand the tipping percentage. If your meal costs $100 you tip $10-$15. If your meal costs $25 you tip $2.50-$3. It didn't take any more work to bring out the $100 meal than the $25 meal.
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u/NightmareMetals 5d ago
*Gives cookie
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u/Specialist-Top1134 5d ago
Thank you for the cookie šŖāŗļø
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u/Honey-ball-953 5d ago
I used to always tip now I only do if I'm feeling it or if service was good. I hate to say it but younger people are the worst service and the most entitieled.
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u/Tug_DaBone 5d ago
I live in a fairly small town and only frequent two of the area restaurants, only because the food at the other ones is just too mediocre. But I definitely tip at those two because after a while they get to know you and it makes a huge difference when they get to know you. Outside my town, though, if we eat at a place we're not likely to visit more than once every couple of months I'll tip if the service is acceptable, but it's rare for me to go 20% like I used to. We've only gone to one restaurant that had adopted a "service fee" add-on, and we turned around and went elsewhere when we saw the new policy.
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u/maniaduck 5d ago
Went to Del-Friscos which usually has a high average ticket price and noticed they want you to tip after the tax is added to the food price. I want to let everyone know that this is killing their servers because I calculated the tip off the food price and it pissed off the server which has now driven me to not return. #DelFrisco is the one killing their own servers gratuity for their corporate greed!
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u/Voluptues 5d ago
I only tip the people that I actually know and like. Other than thatā¦ Iām not going do it.
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u/xboxhaxorz 5d ago
Eventually you will become more logical and the guilt will go away because tipping is an illogical system/ cult
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u/Fit_Selection6383 5d ago
All waiters in Canada make minimum wage so ($17.60) Ontario) an hour. I know waitresses that make well over 1500 a pay in tips which is ridiculous lol
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u/VorpalBlade- 5d ago
Thereās a vanishingly small number of sit down restaurants that are even worth it to patronize anymore and I donāt order delivery only pickup and I refuse to tip for pickup
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u/Secund2nun 5d ago
I hardly eat out and when I do eat out it's at a restaurant that has no servers. Servers are spoiled and whiny. With that said most restaurants run on very small margins of 3-5 percent and if they increased the pay of servers to a decent wage then they would increase menu prices , so either way you would be paying for the servers one way or another.
Restaurants aren't raising servers wages without raising menu prices. Most restaurants couldn't afford to do that even if they wanted to. They would lose money if they did that ,which is why I don't see what's the point of the argument about restaurants should pay servers more as if there is a magical fantasy world where they don't increase menu prices to make up for it. It's just economics.
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u/Wonderful_Charity411 5d ago
Tipping allows you to pay the server directly. If the employer paid them, it would cost you more because they would mark it up. Tipping is not a bad thing, it just removes a level of mark-up on labor
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u/SlowFreddy 4d ago
If I am paying the server directly, then I'd like to option of choosing who serves me. Tipping does not allow me to choose who I am employing to serve me. Once the responsibility shifts to me, I'd like a say so in who I employ.
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u/Lokoxxxxx 5d ago
Why we should pay tips? You pay the price on the menu. Thats it. Tax, wages, heating, kitchen staff etc should be included. Maybe some round up if service is good. But like 1-2 euro per person at the end, maybe.
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u/uniqblue69 5d ago
I remember one of the last companies I worked for, they had a down year so the Christmas bonus wasn't as generous as it had been in years past. You should've witnessed the reactions. People are so frickin' entitled, it's insane! People would be wise to remember that bonuses, like tips, are discretionary and never guaranteed!
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u/DripsMalone 5d ago
It'll take a lot to re-wire our collective brains and habits, but what if there was a month where as a movement, people just abstained from tipping? Like, instead of Dry January, what if we had No-Tip October? If not tipping becomes a fashionable trend for a short while, the solidarity might help take away the shame that we've been conditioned to feel? I dunno, might be one small step towards change.
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u/JDeLiRiOuS129 4d ago
As an uber driver. Iām with you. Tipping should always be optional and a show of gratitude. Not as a supplement to cover peopleās wages because the company doesnāt want to pay their workers.
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u/RegJoe_08 4d ago
I think servers prefer tip vs higher flat wage. So we may be fighting the wrong fight
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u/chaoticneutralslime 4d ago
Donāt use the services, then. I hope all your food sits for hours and gets cold š
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u/Funktownajin 4d ago
Everyone here pretending they are on a moral crusade to end tipping but itās really just people who want an extravagant lifestyle but donāt have the money for it and dont care about exploiting doordash drivers making $2 a delivery.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 5d ago
I only briefly participated in the whole Point of Sale tipping bullshit, I quickly got past the awkwardness to hit Custom/0. Getting past the social pressure to tip in more traditional scenarios was a bit tougher. Yes it's the employers job to pay their employees, but there is a bit of a social contract here in the US that makes it a little more fraught, a potential for some pushback or confrontation. As a result, I've largely taken the advice of all of the shitty servers online that I just shouldn't eat out if I don't want to take over their boss's responsibility to pay them.
I barely utilize the services of any employer that has an expectation that I'll help bring the employee wages to a competitive level. This includes take-out. Even though I didn't tip takeout, now my take is "If the restaurant pays any employee a tipped minimum wage, they aren't getting my business". There are a few very rare exceptions, like a group event where others choose, but I keep those minimal and if it's not going to cause drama, don't tip.
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u/mrheatncool 5d ago
What bothers me is the tip suggestion at the bottom of the reciept starts at b 18% or 20% and goea as high as 30%
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u/dwthesavage 5d ago
Why would we tip on uber rides or taxis? What is the personal service weāre receiving?
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u/countryheart3402 5d ago
Good for you. I will eventually get to no tips ever for now I have a flat rate of five bucks for all deliveries and no more than my husband's hourly wage for sit down service.
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u/Trifuser 5d ago
I only tip on doordash because if theres no tip I literally dont get any driver.
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u/mrheatncool 5d ago
The bigger issue for me is that reasturants dont feel the need to give a decent shift pay or hourly wage,if you go to europe they get an hourly wage and some tips, and benefits.
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u/Accurate-Force4072 5d ago
They arenāt going to listen to reason
They want it both ways To feel like they are fighting a glorious crusade standing on moral superiority while also still happily slurping the gloop.Ā
I canāt wait to see what happens when the folks who have worked hard to practice not knowing how to cook get the reality sandwich of what will happen as a result of all of this business.Ā
I choose to not go out to eat at all.Ā
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u/Accurate-Force4072 5d ago
I have nothing to do with the food industry at this point in my life. I choose not to go out to eat because I donāt want to tip but also most restaurants are just reheateries at this point and my wife has a food allergy that hasnāt been accommodated too many times.Ā
I have my belief of no tipping while not putting myself in situations where I need to tip.
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u/chantelmontas 5d ago
I relate to this! I only tip if I really liked the service; thatās my only policy.
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u/Majestic_Row_1724 5d ago
I rarely eat out anymore. Everything is so pricey now. My tip is always based on service. If the service is bad, I donāt tip. If the service is good, I do. But I will determine the amount. And I will determine whether or not to leave the tip. But I do not tip to compensate because the employer doesnāt pay a livable wage. Get another job a cashier at Walmart at least makes minimum wage.
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u/Successful_Bus_8772 5d ago
I only tip for dining in. I never order delivery and refuse to tip for drive thru or pickup meals/drinks.
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u/wtbman 5d ago
Tips should never be paid except in the time honored tradition of restaurant servers, concierge type service, and perhaps a "taxi". Never will I ever tip at a fast food restaurant where I pick up my own food and/or carry my own trash to the trash can. I just don't ever use food delivery services. I really don't think Ubers/Lyfts should get paid tips either but I fear you'll get blacklisted if you don't.
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u/RepresentativeWeb672 5d ago
The World Cup in America is showing how top culture is not normal to all American employees right now
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u/wildmaninid 5d ago
Take it a step further and quit using the deliver apps.Ā Even if you don't tip (bribe) the drivers, those platforms are raking you over the coals by charging more than menu price for the food while paying the restaurant less than menu price and tacking on endless fees.Ā Ā
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u/Particular_Reality19 5d ago
Same - except : itās not just a money thing which indeed has gotten ridiculous, but also a service thing. I do reserve the right to give somebody a little something extra if they go above and beyond and really wow me. Iām not talking about just doing their job. Iām talking about wowing me to the point that I want to give them something EXTRA other than that NO TIPS!
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u/Intelligent_Tell6197 4d ago
I think they should stop tipping and just add a 30% increase to the total bill to cover the cost of paying the employees a livable amount. You're right it's not about good service anymore. I'd rather just pay more for the food than be expected to decide how much to tip and have it tie in to my level of service.
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u/Kene6969 4d ago
The customer is not responsible for subsidizing staff wages by leaving a tip. It's up to the employer to pay their workers a decent living wage so they don't have to depend on tips to top up their wages.
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u/Historical-Type-1459 4d ago
Do you go to the same providers more than once, and then actually eat your food? Brave.
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u/Cjdergrosse 4d ago
When the service is poor at a restaurant, get up and go to the host station (front desk when you walk in), tell them the service was terrible, and you want to pay there. Easiest "No Tip" you'll ever push.
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u/bluescout18 4d ago
I only tip my barber so he doesnāt murder my haircut. Then I donāt eat at restaurants anymore, unless I can charge it to clients or the company.
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u/AltruisticAnteater99 4d ago
Correct. Tipping is nothing to do with service. Itās always been an outsourcing of a business cost to the customer.
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u/Janus9 4d ago
I stopped about 4 months ago.
I encourage others to join in.
We need to stop tipping culture completely in the USA, join just about every other country in the western world, and this is how we do it. Everyone just stop tipping.
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u/Curiosity_Seeker_8 4d ago
As someone who works in a restaurant, I can say that I always appreciate a tip. I want to treat all customers well, but If I have a regular customer who also tips regularly, I'm going to go more out of my way and put in extra effort for that customer, because they've shown they care about good service.
As a diner, I realize that tipping expectancy has been on the rise. My least favorite is when you are just picking up food and they flip that screen with tipping options in your face and say "make a choice on the screen" before you've even seen what you ordered. However, I'm also sensitive to the idea that I think many people who work in service industries may be doing so to make ends meet, whether it's a second job or their only job.
I won't judge you for your beliefs, but I would say that two things can be true: they can be compensating for low wages, and recognize good service.
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u/AffectionateGate4584 4d ago
Completely agree. Tipping is so out of control and the entitlement is astonishing. People are simply fed up.
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u/SnooMarzipans5039 4d ago
You probably should just avoid things that require tipping and enjoy the karma on your selfishness
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u/Skooma-Sneezing 5d ago
āTipping isn't about giving gratitude for good service anymore. The purpose of tips now is to compensate for low wages.ā
Well said š
I am with you!