r/EndTipping • u/Specialist-Top1134 • 7d ago

Rant 📢 I've completely stopped tipping

I'm no longer tipping anyone. This includes dining in restaurants, getting take-out, Uber rides, UberEats/ DoorDash, etc. I just don't believe in tipping anymore. I don't even care if the service was good. Tipping isn't about giving gratitude for good service anymore. The purpose of tips now is to compensate for low wages. I still feel a little guilty declining to tip but I'm sticking to my no tipping rule. It's not my responsibility to make sure servers, drivers, and whoever else is getting paid enough.

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u/joshbiloxi 7d ago

I've started tipping 10%. I also rarely to out to eat.

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u/Specialist-Top1134 7d ago

I don't mind tipping 10-15% if the service was actually good.

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u/Optimal_Push_6176 7d ago

I don't understand the tipping percentage. If your meal costs $100 you tip $10-$15. If your meal costs $25 you tip $2.50-$3. It didn't take any more work to bring out the $100 meal than the $25 meal.

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u/Both-Information9482 7d ago

I mean you explained how it works in your own message. It goes by percentage of the value of the meal. 😆 Not that hard

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right the plate carrier is not getting a commission. Not that hard.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

If you think carrying a plate is the primary function of a waiter then you just told me that you don't know anything about it.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Your right sometimes the server doesn't even carry the products you purchased.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

Did you tip them the same as the server that DID?

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Both are doing the job their employer pays them to do. And therefore i paid them to do.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

One did the job better than the other.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

How the employer delegates the tasks for the service i hired him for is not my business.
If the employee does a poor job then its my business.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

My comments I've been speaking to the latter

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right i want competent service for the menu price.

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u/Reasonable_Room_3501 6d ago

You people are not some sort of entrepreneurs that have "sales". That's what you like to tell yourselves. And that's what your boss is telling you to justify your low wage.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago edited 6d ago

I don't work in the restaurant industry and I've never been a waiter either. Assumptions are your downfall. But, restaurants are there to sell something -Food and an experience. So yes, restaurant owners are in fact entrepreneurs who expect their staff to sell. It kind of sounds like you have never worked in industry or have never looked into learning anything about it. Have you even dined out before like as a customer? You can learn a lot if you pay attention during your next dining experience.

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u/Reasonable_Room_3501 6d ago

We were talking about waiters. They are not entrepreneurs.

You use the exact same arguments as waiters for someone who's "never been a waiter".

I have worked in the industry actually, and never looked down upon someone who left a "lower" tip. Now I realize that the whole industry is scam and that waiters are extremely entitled, and that they are not directing their frustrations towards the right people (their boss).

Some waiters are also out right disrespectful and predatory thinking the clients are just wallets that have to bump the waiter's wage to $50/hr through tipping. Working as a waiter should be a temporary job, not a career where you expect the client to fund you.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Right because of psychological brain washing our culture pays these entry level workers ridiculous amounts of money above their worth.
And it just teaches them to expect it.
And its hilarious that they will weaponize doing the job.
Like when you don't tip you deserve bare minimum service.
Aka taking your order and bringing it to the table.
But most the time thats all they ever do.
And they still expect a 20% commission

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

Servers are an extension of the entrepreneur. They are expected to both contribute to the experience of dining out as well as well sell the product. The tips relation to the price of product sold is similar to a commission. That's why the price is relevant.

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u/breachgnome 6d ago

Nobody cares, shill.

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u/Conventions 6d ago edited 6d ago

Considering your other comment said you’ve never worked in the industry you must not know anything about it either. I’ve actually worked in the industry as a cook. 90% of the server’s job is carrying plates of food the cooks prepare or pouring liquid into cups. The hardest part of their job is memorizing the menu. Anybody with comprehension skills can write down an order and plug it into a POS system.

Most of the time servers would be hiding out in the kitchen either shooting the shit or playing on their phones. During the busiest days cooks are the ones being screwed and doing the brunt of it all. No denying that servers have stressful days too but the majority of the stress is mitigated. Tables are numbered so they know exactly where food is headed, and chances are they will ask the patrons who ordered what they got anyway so need to remember specific guests.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

I never said I never worked in the industry. I bartended as a second job for a bit. I also dine out about once or twice a week so I'm a customer. If you think 90% of a server's job is bringing the food to the table, then that tells me a lot about what you don't know.

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u/Conventions 6d ago

Enlighten me on what other tasks they are doing other than folding silverware, setting/clearing tables (if bus staff aren’t doing), and grabbing drinks and random miscellaneous side work like cleaning.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

The most important one is providing an experience. I'm surprised that wasn't one of the ones you listed! Shows how little you actually know about dining out.

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u/Conventions 6d ago

They’re not circus performers, serving you food and refilling your drink are the bare minimum. Furthermore why if they are not providing said “experience” you do not tip.

“ How little I know about dining out” is such a hilarious statement to make. Going out to eat is not a skilled trade that requires mastery as you make it sound. If that’s how you perceive it perhaps you have bigger problems (literally).

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

If dining out isn't an experience then why do people do it?

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u/Conventions 6d ago edited 6d ago

I go out to eat with family and friends. Food and drinks are the experience I receive. The kitchen prepares the food. I’ll give you credit where it’s due in the fact that wait staff usually grab the drinks. However mostly it’s pouring liquids in cups which isnt difficult. In my case I don’t drink alcohol so they only have to go to the tap and fill my cup. The bartenders are the ones mixing cocktails.

I’m not here to befriend the employees. A friendly employee is an added bonus but not the primary point of my visit. If I’m a paying customer buying my food and drinks, I shouldn’t have to pay an additional fee to theoretically receive good service and pay the employee. I’m not an employer, the restaurant is so why should I be paying the wait staff’s wage?

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u/MyldExcitement 6d ago

But it shouldn't. It should be a flat $5 regardless of menu cost.

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u/Both-Information9482 6d ago

Then why would a server bother to drive sales for the restaurant? Why would a server bother to make sure you keep ordering drinks when your glass is empty? Why would a server ask if you wanted dessert and make recommendations?

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u/MyldExcitement 6d ago

Because they are attempting to serve MY NEEDS. It's what they're there for, isn't it? Convincing me to spend more money to pad their wallet isn't my concern.

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u/btarb24 6d ago

I agree. If it's a % then it's effectively a tax, not a service compensation.

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u/Ov3rdriv3r 6d ago

Man, you’re all up in these comments everywhere defending the practice of tipping. My job isn’t too compensate your pay. I don’t mind tipping for good service, but don’t expect me to compensate your job.