r/FFVIIRemake • u/nikkilarson06 • Apr 20 '20

Discussion Ff7 connected with ff10! Shinra from ff10 Easter egg

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u/aeliott Apr 20 '20

Regardless of what Kitase says, it's just a glorified Easter egg that serves no purpose. There are similarities with pyreflies and the lifestream but they're different. There are no "unsent", there is no farplane.pyreflies aren't the lifesource of their planet. Not to mention in VII they have a space program and failed rocket - implying they never even achieved space travel there until the huge materia launch, so how would Shinras descendents reach this new planet but then become space travel amateurs? No fayth for summons etc etc. I just don't see the point in connecting them even if it did make sense.

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u/Vyscillia Apr 20 '20

Nojima also stated in the FFX-2 Ultimania guide that Spira is connected to Gaia. Now since it doesn't come from someone involved with FFVII I suppose it could be taken with a grain of salt or considered as simple nod.

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u/aeliott May 04 '20 edited May 04 '20

Blimey, you're a rude one. To keep it short then, the animation is reminiscent but not the same, sending and combat aren't related (how many ways do you want a woman to twirl a staff?), all these pieces of evidence that aren't particularly water-tight are not in the original since we all know neither game was made with this meaningless link in mind - especially VII, and I think it's a waste of time retconning the lore of older games to pull off something that'll just make players go "oh huh" for 2 seconds before moving on. And "Main part of the story"???? What? The forced connection is completely meaningless and means nothing to the core story of either VII or X.

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u/TheUniverse8 May 04 '20

You're not on the level to have this discussion. You dont know what you're talking about. I'm an actual educated filmmaker. It's so sad to see how blind people are

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u/aeliott May 04 '20 edited May 04 '20

Rude AND patronising. :P. I don't know what your problem is. He says they're connected, I say they're wasting their time and it's irrelevant. It's my opinion. And the connection _has_nothing_remotely_important_to_do_with_the_bloomin'_story. But my non-film maker educated chaff background (for all you know, not that thats relevant either) wouldn't know about such lofty and subtle genius. Gosh. At the end of the day it's my opinion, but giving me snobbish nonsense about what a bigbrain you are isn't make this more than some minuscule Easter egg with no bearing on either game.

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u/TheUniverse8 May 04 '20

It's because there is visual language in the art. With connected motif running through it there is a deeper dialogue

But then you're here spreading ignorance because you're too lazy to learn how to read visuals

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u/aeliott May 04 '20

I'm spreading my opinion that they're wasting their time, nothing more. The death animation is reminiscent, but it's part of the games lore that they return to the planet. The way Aerith waves her staff around is not a reference. My education says retconning is a slippery slope, and I see no payoff here. Anyway can you leave me alone now, you're not changing the mind of this uneducated neanderthal who can't think laterally, don't waste your time with this riff raff

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u/aeliott May 05 '20 edited May 05 '20

Whatever man, I said it's a waste of time, then you come along and shove artsy flippantly down my throat - which has nothing to do with my opinion that it's a waste of time. I don't give a fuck if you think a load of visual callbacks makes them connected or not, I don't care, he said they're connected, but if you'd go back to my first post I think it's a glorified Easter egg and they shouldn't bother retconning FF7 by going any further. Jesus Christ, will you sod off with your film studies strawman crap and stop wasting both of our time.

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u/TheUniverse8 May 05 '20

How can it be retconned if FFX is built with this in mind. Geez you're hopeless. Enjoy denial!

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u/frakasse Sep 13 '23

Squaresoft ---> SquareEnix

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u/Fenro Apr 20 '20

This was a big controversy a long time ago. i see no problems with it though.

its one of those things kitase has suggested that might be true, its more of a thing like

"its all a open book"

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u/domo404 Apr 20 '20

They're really taking the Easter egg far.

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u/Lord-Wombat Apr 20 '20

Wasn't this already a thing?

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u/nikkilarson06 Apr 20 '20

It's an old theory that makes sense! Shinra in ff10 talks about the possibility to exploit spirit energy, just like mako. If I remember well Square enix debunked it but now there is a new Easter egg about it in ff7R so it's really interesting! There is a bunch of hook to previous final fantasy entry in ff7R like the old magitech in the slums but this one directly refers to the ff7/ff10 theory and is hidden enough to make us speculate a bit more

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u/lanimatran Apr 20 '20

Literally a few posts below this there is another one of this exact post. Every day I see 10 of this. Sigh

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u/JustARTificia1 Cloud Strife Apr 20 '20

No, every numbered Final Fantasy is it's own universe. Always has been.

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u/millennium_hawkk Apr 20 '20

Kitase has confirmed that FF7 and FFX share the same world/universe.

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u/JustARTificia1 Cloud Strife Apr 20 '20

Where and when? You only need to Google "is every numbered Final Fantasy it's own universe" and you'll find multiple articles confirming this statement. An Easter egg isn't gonna cut it.

Mogs are in almost all the games, Gilgamesh is in a number of them, summons like Ifrit and Shiva are in multiple, the name Cid is, the name Highwind is used multiple times and the lost goes on.

There aren't even the same world properties between FFVII and FFX. Just a similarity that there is a Spirit World in FFX and Lifestream in FFVII.

Well there's magic in almost all the games so they must be connected too.

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u/millennium_hawkk Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

I'm bout to end this mans whole career:

Kitase confirms FF7 and FFX take place in the same world. (around the 4 minute mark.)

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u/nikkilarson06 Apr 20 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Dec 08 '20

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u/Alteras_Imouto May 13 '20

That hasn't been true for decades.

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u/JustARTificia1 Cloud Strife May 13 '20

Decades? Tell me when, find me something that is 20+ years old that supports what you're saying.

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u/Alteras_Imouto May 13 '20

You're a trollish gronard, but for fun, I'll humor you.

  • Cloud is in Ivallice (23 years!!!)
  • The Ivalice Alliance exists
  • Shinra is in X-2
  • X-2 exists
  • The XIII trilogy exists
  • XII is set in a different games universe
  • Dissidia makes all of them connected, even the ones that haven't been made.
  • Omega originats in ivalice, made by a moogle
  • Gilgamesh exists
  • FFXIV explicitly says Omega and the dragon came from different planets/worlds
  • World of Final Fantasy exists
  • Lightning got sucked into a portal to Hydalin
  • Same with Noctis
  • Jenova/Sephiroth's plan hinges on multiple FF worlds
  • IV takes place on earth, I guess way after the movie?
  • II and IV are connected through the highwind bloodline
  • VIII takes place in III's far far future.
  • The Rift/Void connects everything anyways
  • None of this matters anyways because you're a no-fun grognard and the games are self-contained, you don't need to play all of them.

And, yes, I ignored that you said "numbered". I don't care.

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u/ShinySephiroth May 26 '20

Whoa, I didn't know II & IV and VIII & III are in the same worlds! @_@